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Re: PATH WTC to close on weekends for 2 years!
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I haven't tried to use the ferry yet on the weekend, but let me get this straight. I live by Exchange place and even if my commute is just from Exchange Place to WTC, they still make me pay a PATH fare even if I don't have to ride PATH to get to Exchange Place?

Correct, you pay a PATH fare at Exchange Place to get the round-trip ferry ticket, and on the way back, you don't pay another PATH fare.

I assume you can still buy single ferry tickets (more expensive than PATH fares) or use your monthly pass.

So for the price of a single PATH fare you get a round trip ferry ticket ?


Not sure why this is so surprising. If you are headed into Manhattan, and the WTC PATH is not running, how would you get back?? They have to give you a roundtrip ticket on your way out of EXP so you can complete your trip to/from NYC.

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So for the price of a single PATH fare you get a round trip ferry ticket ?

I already said it twice and this is my 3rd time, YES. (I didn't say it made sense.)

New info for those who haven't ridden - there is wording on the ferry ticket to the effect of, only valid during the weekend issued.

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I haven't tried to use the ferry yet on the weekend, but let me get this straight. I live by Exchange place and even if my commute is just from Exchange Place to WTC, they still make me pay a PATH fare even if I don't have to ride PATH to get to Exchange Place?

Correct, you pay a PATH fare at Exchange Place to get the round-trip ferry ticket, and on the way back, you don't pay another PATH fare.

I assume you can still buy single ferry tickets (more expensive than PATH fares) or use your monthly pass.

So for the price of a single PATH fare you get a round trip ferry ticket ?

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I haven't tried to use the ferry yet on the weekend, but let me get this straight. I live by Exchange place and even if my commute is just from Exchange Place to WTC, they still make me pay a PATH fare even if I don't have to ride PATH to get to Exchange Place?

Correct, you pay a PATH fare at Exchange Place to get the round-trip ferry ticket, and on the way back, you don't pay another PATH fare.

I assume you can still buy single ferry tickets (more expensive than PATH fares) or use your monthly pass.

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Thanks for the clarification/confirmation!

While this is a "solution", it is still quite easy to game the system: for someone wanting to ride the ferry into lower Manhattan, it would be cheaper to walk into the Exchange Place station, pay the PATH fare, grab a transfer ticket, and then walk right out. I wonder if they have thought of that.

The transfer ticket is for a round trip (2 tear-off portions) so if you are just going to Exchange Place and walking, you don't even need to pay a return PATH fare. (For me, the trade-off is a longer walk on both ends.)


I haven't tried to use the ferry yet on the weekend, but let me get this straight. I live by Exchange place and even if my commute is just from Exchange Place to WTC, they still make me pay a PATH fare even if I don't have to ride PATH to get to Exchange Place?

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Two weeks ago some brain-trust engineers stepped forward with
a plan to prevent the 24 hour year long shutdown of the L train.
Only after a year of chaos particularly in Brooklyn where shops
closed, tenants left and properties sold. Where were these brain-
trust engineers for the last year? PATH should consult with this
team to see if the two year shutdown could be reduced so it's not
24 hour work.


The difference is that the MTA answers to the NYC and NYS governments. The subway shutdown had political implications.

The PA answers to no one, certainly not to the citizens, so whatever harebrained plan they propose is (almost) beyond oversight. Crazy, really.


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The solution for the L train was to shut it down for, drum roll please, weekends! Just like for the PATH train.

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Two weeks ago some brain-trust engineers stepped forward with
a plan to prevent the 24 hour year long shutdown of the L train.
Only after a year of chaos particularly in Brooklyn where shops
closed, tenants left and properties sold. Where were these brain-
trust engineers for the last year? PATH should consult with this
team to see if the two year shutdown could be reduced so it's not
24 hour work.


this was crazy-making. and yes, PATH should/could find a reasonable workaround, but they have zero incentive.

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Thanks for the clarification/confirmation!

While this is a "solution", it is still quite easy to game the system: for someone wanting to ride the ferry into lower Manhattan, it would be cheaper to walk into the Exchange Place station, pay the PATH fare, grab a transfer ticket, and then walk right out. I wonder if they have thought of that.

The transfer ticket is for a round trip (2 tear-off portions) so if you are just going to Exchange Place and walking, you don't even need to pay a return PATH fare. (For me, the trade-off is a longer walk on both ends.)

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Two weeks ago some brain-trust engineers stepped forward with
a plan to prevent the 24 hour year long shutdown of the L train.
Only after a year of chaos particularly in Brooklyn where shops
closed, tenants left and properties sold. Where were these brain-
trust engineers for the last year? PATH should consult with this
team to see if the two year shutdown could be reduced so it's not
24 hour work.

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... and I don't see how the ferry transfer system would work: it's not like NY Waterway has a way to verify you rode the PATH (unless they are planning to install a machine to verify your PATHcard or Metrocard were used within X amount of time, which seems super far fetched) or perhaps they intend to have a "red jacket" staff member handing out transfer chits, as it used to be done 20+ years ago?


They are handing out the transfer tickets from inside the paid fare zone at WTC and at Exchange Place. You have to enter the station, go through the turnstile, get your paper ticket, then exit the station. Old school, but at least it works.

They really should add service on the 33rd St. line. Or "lines" -- they ought to get rid of the combined JSQ-HOB detour on weekends.


Thanks for the clarification/confirmation!

While this is a "solution", it is still quite easy to game the system: for someone wanting to ride the ferry into lower Manhattan, it would be cheaper to walk into the Exchange Place station, pay the PATH fare, grab a transfer ticket, and then walk right out. I wonder if they have thought of that.

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... and I don't see how the ferry transfer system would work: it's not like NY Waterway has a way to verify you rode the PATH (unless they are planning to install a machine to verify your PATHcard or Metrocard were used within X amount of time, which seems super far fetched) or perhaps they intend to have a "red jacket" staff member handing out transfer chits, as it used to be done 20+ years ago?


They are handing out the transfer tickets from inside the paid fare zone at WTC and at Exchange Place. You have to enter the station, go through the turnstile, get your paper ticket, then exit the station. Old school, but at least it works.

They really should add service on the 33rd St. line. Or "lines" -- they ought to get rid of the combined JSQ-HOB detour on weekends.

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Is this a ploy by the PATH workers for more overtime????

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Why are Yvonne and the NAs not up in arms about this? This will directly affect the quality of life for many residents. Why are they not screeching and putting pressure on the mayor to try and get the PA to at least increase service on the other line?

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Why are Yvonne and the NAs not up in arms about this? This will directly affect the quality of life for many residents. Why are they not screeching and putting pressure on the mayor to try and get the PA to at least increase service on the other line?

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If the PA NY/NJ was a store or other legitimate business, their name would probably be SEARS.


LOL Then there would be no question about where to hang the Xmas Tree and the OCDers would be grappling with the next insignificant problem in their lives.

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If the PA NY/NJ was a store or other legitimate business, their name would probably be SEARS.

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Beginning on January 5, 2019, through December 20, 2020, PATH’s World Trade Center Station will close every weekend, excluding major holidays, from 12:01 a.m. on Saturdays, until 5 a.m. on Mondays. During this time, PATH service will end at Exchange Place and a free ferry transfer will be available for service between Harborside Ferry Landing in Jersey City and Brookfield Place Terminal in New York City. See below for more details.
http://www.panynj.gov/alerts-advisori ... ath-weekend-closures.html
http://www.panynj.gov/photo/path/PATH ... service-map-eng-thumb.jpg


We first got word about this almost a month ago and I am surprised by how little conversation has been generated by this announcement. The two year duration seems WAY TOO LONG, and I don't see how the ferry transfer system would work: it's not like NY Waterway has a way to verify you rode the PATH (unless they are planning to install a machine to verify your PATHcard or Metrocard were used within X amount of time, which seems super far fetched) or perhaps they intend to have a "red jacket" staff member handing out transfer chits, as it used to be done 20+ years ago?

As it is usual for the PANYNJ, the details are scant and the explanations vague.

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this is where the real protest should be. not for some dumb wreath hanging over the Holland Tunnel. What can justify another 2 year closing at WTC? Is there zero accountability?

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Beginning on January 5, 2019, through December 20, 2020, PATH’s World Trade Center Station will close every weekend, excluding major holidays, from 12:01 a.m. on Saturdays, until 5 a.m. on Mondays. During this time, PATH service will end at Exchange Place and a free ferry transfer will be available for service between Harborside Ferry Landing in Jersey City and Brookfield Place Terminal in New York City. See below for more details.
http://www.panynj.gov/alerts-advisori ... ath-weekend-closures.html
http://www.panynj.gov/photo/path/PATH ... service-map-eng-thumb.jpg

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Sadly, JC residents will have many more years of PATH misery

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The Port Authority never wanted the PATH system It is a red-headed step-child they were forced to take on, in order to be allowed to build the original WTC.


BINGO. The PATH is truly an afterthought to the PA.

While the city administration was patting itself on the back for the "deal" they negotiated with the PA for transfer of ownership of the land on which the powerhouse is located, the PA executives were laughing all the way to the bank: they got the city to agree to a two-year timetable to move the power substation equipment one measly block to the south! And, then, after the move is completed the city will supposedly bring in a developer to rehabilitate the powerhouse. It is so very doubtful there will be anything left to rehabilitate after two more years of neglect. And, of course, while this was being negotiated, the PA was planning the WTC shutdown and waited until the last minute to announce that.

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The Port Authority never wanted the PATH system It is a red-headed step-child they were forced to take on, in order to be allowed to build the original WTC.

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Apparently, in their opinion, they can use Sandy as an excuse for eternity.

I'm so beyond upset at their ineptness / laziness / waste of money / not caring for their customers, etc. It just never ends. Every time I think they cannot do any worse, they somehow manage to surprise me. Just a-m-a-z-i-n-g!

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How long can they keep using Sandy as an excuse?

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I guess I should be used to this, but ... they’re not going to expand service on the 33rd st line? Those trains are going to be packed. This is so annoying.

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Have they done this area already?

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wtf. how do they get away with doing this sandy repair work every year? this is clearly save money for a service we are paying to use.

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