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Reading about the payroll tax which might be doomed reminds me of the late Councilman Jamie Vazquez, he wrote his own ordinances actually right in front of everyone at the council meetings. If he was able to do it, then the council must get their hands dirty and start writing their own ordinances.


If this is so doomed, why did you not circulate your petitions to try and waste the council's time and more taxpayer money? Could it be because most people don't really care?


Were you around when Vazquez sat on the City Council? If not, then why comment? If the one percent payroll tax is dismissed because it was not written by a member of the city council, it could affect the pocketbooks of those without tax abatements or under rent control. If the city does not fix this, then the state can come in and raise taxes on homeowners. That happened to Hoboken under the administration of Mayor Roberts.


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Reading about the payroll tax which might be doomed reminds me of the late Councilman Jamie Vazquez, he wrote his own ordinances actually right in front of everyone at the council meetings. If he was able to do it, then the council must get their hands dirty and start writing their own ordinances.


If this is so doomed, why did you not circulate your petitions to try and waste the council's time and more taxpayer money? Could it be because most people don't really care?

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I am just wondering if those tax abatements are legal, they did not come from the city council.

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I’ll bet Fulop can’t wait to see 2018 in the rear view mirror, especially given how incompetent Murphy has been in Trenton, let alone the HCDO embarrassment. And the statue.


I suspect Fulop still has ambitions to be governor. Whomever is the next gov will be facing the complete insolvency of the state employee and public teachers pensions.

I am not sure anyone would want to be in charge with the SS NJ slams into that iceberg.

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Reading about the payroll tax which might be doomed reminds me of the late Councilman Jamie Vazquez, he wrote his own ordinances actually right in front of everyone at the council meetings. If he was able to do it, then the council must get their hands dirty and start writing their own ordinances.

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I’ll bet Fulop can’t wait to see 2018 in the rear view mirror, especially given how incompetent Murphy has been in Trenton, let alone the HCDO embarrassment. And the statue.

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Things that make you go hmmm....

By Terrence T. McDonald | The Jersey Journal tmcdonald@jjournal.com
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JERSEY CITY — Whether a Jersey City administrator can legally sponsor ordinances is up for debate and the city has two different opinions depending on its audience.

The city’s legal team told council members that yes, Business Administrator Brian Platt can sponsor legislation. But when in front of Hudson County Superior Court Judge Peter Bariso, Jersey City’s legal eagles conceded that no, Platt cannot.

What a tangled web we weave...

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It is not my opinion, development happened in the 1980s, here are 3 examples, Newport (the first 4 buildings and the mall), Dixon, and Society Hills. The law was changed in 1990 and tax abatements happened to market rate buildings which was illegal before. Newport got a tax abatement after the first four building were up. The assemblyman who represented the 31st district and worked as a lawyer for developers introduced the change in Trenton.

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If the city did not give out sweetheart tax abatements, then there would be no need for a payroll tax.


This is just your opinion, not a proven fact.

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If the city did not give out sweetheart tax abatements, then there would be no need for a payroll tax. In fact, there should have been a lawsuit against tax abatements from day one. Development did not just happen in JC in happened in other parts of Hudson County which did not give out tax abatements.

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I hope they succeed. The payroll tax is a terrible measure that does not even solve the BOE deficit.

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JERSEY CITY — Real-estate developer Mack-Cali and some of its subsidiaries are suing the state of New Jersey and Jersey City over the city’s new payroll tax, one the plaintiffs call a vague, slapdash and unconstitutional “house of cards” that must be invalidated.

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What you should know about Jersey City's new business tax

Jersey City's council adopted the new payroll tax on Nov. 20. Here's what you should know about the plan.

https://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... sey_citys_new_busine.html


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My source, well, I did the work of collecting signatures but if you want another source, check the state budget where money goes to non-profits for immigration then go on the USCCB website and they have a list of funds by years that the Catholic Church received from the federal government for immigration. In 2016, it was 96.1 million. Trump cut the money to $79 million in 2017. Google the information, I did. In case you did not know the list of who receives affordable housing comes from the federal government, not Jersey City. This is actually brought up at a caucus meeting because too many JC people were bypassed.

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Actually, hero69, most legal and illegal live in tax abated buildings.


LOL... wut?! This is quite the whopper. Quote your source.

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I went to the new buildings [...] assigned in the downtown area. The nonvoters were noncitizens from different racial groups [...] So no hero69, they are not paying the school taxes.


This is SUCH an old trope used by people trying to make a point by conflating two separate facts to make it look like a valid argument or explanation. But, it is simply NOT TRUE.

Just because someone is not paying a tax to the city directly, it does not mean they are not paying it indirectly. Renters may not pay property and school taxes directly, but they do so indirectly. Also, the claim that immigrants only live in abated buildings is just simply not true. It doesn't even pass the common sense or smell test. In fact, I would argue that the very opposite is true: most illegal immigrants live in old buildings (many of them in illegal boarding houses) and not in abated buildings. Or, do you truly, really believe all illegal immigrants are living in luxury DTJC buildings paying exorbitant rents???


Illegal apartments and overcrowding are factors and burden our public schools.

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On a side note:

The State has put a hold / ban on all new charter schools. There is a group that was planning to open a charter based on the Montessori teaching method. Their application got rejected in October.

https://www.njspotlight.com/stories/18 ... ects-latest-two-hopefuls/


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Actually, hero69, most legal and illegal live in tax abated buildings.


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I went to the new buildings [...] assigned in the downtown area. The nonvoters were noncitizens from different racial groups [...] So no hero69, they are not paying the school taxes.


This is SUCH an old trope used by people trying to make a point by conflating two separate facts to make it look like a valid argument or explanation. But, it is simply NOT TRUE.

Just because someone is not paying a tax to the city directly, it does not mean they are not paying it indirectly. Renters may not pay property and school taxes directly, but they do so indirectly. Also, the claim that immigrants only live in abated buildings is just simply not true. It doesn't even pass the common sense or smell test. In fact, I would argue that the very opposite is true: most illegal immigrants live in old buildings (many of them in illegal boarding houses) and not in abated buildings. Or, do you truly, really believe all illegal immigrants are living in luxury DTJC buildings paying exorbitant rents???

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most legal and illegal [imigrants] live in tax abated buildings.


Just when you think Yvonne can't say any shit that's crazier. There isn't enough abated units in all of JC to hold a fraction of our roughly 90k foreign born residents, even if there were no non-immigrants living in them. But with the exception of the H1B crowd, most immigrants live in the shitty old unabated housing beyond ward E.

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Actually, hero69, most legal and illegal live in tax abated buildings. I was asked to register voters for CIO which is the fore runner of Jersey City Together. I went to the new buildings (affordable housing) assigned in the downtown area. The nonvoters were noncitizens from different racial groups. Nonprofit groups usually churches get money from the federal government to settle legal immigrants. The Catholic Church received around $90 million last year which is why they are pro immigration. But they are not the only nonprofit group, other religious groups also receive funding but I am not aware of the amount. So no hero69, they are not paying the school taxes.
oh my, I stand "corrected". so, even tax-abated buildings pay taxes. 2nd, are you suggesting that only illegal aliens live in these "tax-abated" buildings? do all illegals live in these buildings? do any legal immigrants live there? what % of residents of these buildings are native born citizens? %? please enlighten me.

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What a mess.

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Actually, hero69, most legal and illegal live in tax abated buildings. I was asked to register voters for CIO which is the fore runner of Jersey City Together. I went to the new buildings (affordable housing) assigned in the downtown area. The nonvoters were noncitizens from different racial groups. Nonprofit groups usually churches get money from the federal government to settle legal immigrants. The Catholic Church received around $90 million last year which is why they are pro immigration. But they are not the only nonprofit group, other religious groups also receive funding but I am not aware of the amount. So no hero69, they are not paying the school taxes.

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Big problem with illegals living in illegally converted attics/basements, not to code. That extra money goes into the owners pockets. And JC real estate taxes pay a tiny amount of JC schools costs.

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1. Fulop is encouraging illegal immigrants, which stresses housing and schools. Not the suburbs problem.
2. I don’t disagree about education costs. JC already spends about 25% more per student, while graduation rates far below the state average.
3. If you don’t think there is a ton of waste and corruption in HC schools I suggest you’d be wrong. It’s always easy to spend others money, in this case a half a billion dollars each and every year. Newark sucks almost twice as much-with similar educational outcomes. Uninvolved parents are the root-Union City schools are diverse too, but parents there support education with great results.
what bs. don't most immigrants (legal and illegal) live in houses or apartments and pay rent or property taxes. this rent is then used to cover the anlords property taxes which funds hc schools

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1. Fulop is encouraging illegal immigrants, which stresses housing and schools. Not the suburbs problem.
2. I don’t disagree about education costs. JC already spends about 25% more per student, while graduation rates far below the state average.
3. If you don’t think there is a ton of waste and corruption in HC schools I suggest you’d be wrong. It’s always easy to spend others money, in this case a half a billion dollars each and every year. Newark sucks almost twice as much-with similar educational outcomes. Uninvolved parents are the root-Union City schools are diverse too, but parents there support education with great results.

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Monroe, if you object to Jersey City getting “more” funding than suburban schools, then consider this: 1. the suburbs should be doing more to provide public housing to low income families instead of having Cities like JC shoulder the majority of the financial burden - of which such costs bleed over into school costs;
2. Costs associated with education are going to be greater in a City than a suburb, thus equity is measured differently between the two. The state of NJ and it’s suburban dwellers benefit from Jersey City in the form of business/employment, etc. If suburban dwellers want to drive to JC and benefit from the employment opportunities here or benefit with respect to business dealings here in JC (whether it’s through contracts/construction/whatever), then they should stop complaining about the added costs of school funding - they know it’s more expensive here across the board with respect to funding a school in JC and south jersey (just like the cost of real estate is different). They are benefitting financially off the back of jersey city, but complaining about it. They want to see their pockets get filled in Jersey City, while letting the City kids have subpar education because, why not, their kids don’t go to school there. Anyone that works in JC or financially benefits from JC and lives elsewhere has no right to complain. If you want to complain, then move to another state where you don’t have to rely on getting your paycheck from a large mixed income City.

Can’t have your cake and eat it too. It reminds me of all the upstate New Yorkers complaining about nyc schools, while their standard of living is directly a product of the NYC tax engine.

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bodhipooh, perhaps the reason people leave JC list, is because they are tired of personal digs for the sake of digs. I agree Monroe that your Dad, $30,000 a year is a lot. I image there is land for that money. My former home in JC, is now paying $40,000 a year, and there is no land. Here is the problem, Monroe, I voted for the income tax to replace property tax for the schools. It never happened. I would have voted no if it knew it was a lie. Here is the problem, educators believe spending money in urban will replace all of the social problems. Plus the fact, immigrants both legal and illegal are in JC adding to the school population. I have been to community meetings in the 1990s where the then superintendent of school talked about closing schools based on the population growth. Schools 16 and 3 were supposed to be combined into one school. New development that did not pay school taxes plus immigration has pushed JC into an exploding population school system without the funds now.

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My dad pays over $30,000, as his town only gets under 12% of school costs from Trenton and they pay over 86% of its own school costs.

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It is frustrating, but not at all surprising, that Yvonne (a self professed community activist and fiscal watchdog) is entirely clueless (or, perhaps, purposefully obtuse) when it comes to the topic of property tax rates. People who keep pointing out that 20K is not a bargain, or that it is too high, should consider themselves lucky and keep in mind that, given that JC's current tax rate is 33% lower than the average NJ municipal tax rate. Indeed, our property taxes ARE a bargain. If and when the school taxes are raised (and, they WILL go up) and as pressure mounts in Trenton from other municipalities to cut back on the state funding/support, we could see our local tax rate climb 50% to a number equal or close to the state average. If you think 20K is too much, try imagining paying 30K.

Our property tax rate situation is far from settled, and I suspect the city administration has studied this closely and concluded it is best to "forget" all that talk of a second reval. Better to not bring more attention to our low tax rate, lest other municipalities really push for cuts in state funding for our local budgets.

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https://jerseydigs.com/jersey-city-pro ... -tax-rate-2018-finalized/. https://www.state.nj.us/cgi-bin/educat ... dist_code2390&maxhits=650 JC spends 678 million on education, and 79%, $528 million comes from suburban taxpayers, JC pays under 17%. That’s your benefit, and the reason why the tax rate is a bargain.

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Your low tax rate compared to the average NJ tax rate is a huge benefit.

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