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I was just about to post the same article. The reporter does a good job of presenting some facts, but never seems to question the wasteful ways that led the Port Authority to spend 4 BILLION dollars in the reconstruction of the WTC station. That should have been addressed in the article. Perhaps the PATH wouldn’t be such a money pit if more fiscal restraint was being exercised. Also not addressed: why is the Harrison construction project going to cost so much. The article mentions projected spending of ~250 MM, but prior numbers I had seen indicated the cost was pegged around 500 MM. Either way, it seems like a lot of money for what amounts to a tiny station with very limited ridership.


Agreed. The idea that tolls should be exclusively used for some other purposes is hogwash, when the PA saw it fit to spend 4 BILLION dollars in a vanity project that lacks enough demand (1 WTC is STILL 25% vacant, and this is despite the city and state giving away sweet enticements to get companies to relocate there) with a companion architectural boondoggle that doubles as a mall and commuting station which has a puzzling (and incredibly unfriendly) layout that is already having issues.

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Good points here. But I'm tired of the old argument made by the Times reporter that it is somehow inappropriate for tunnel tolls to subsidize mass transit operations. It's entirely appropriate, and good public policy.Quote:

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I was just about to post the same article. The reporter does a good job of presenting some facts, but never seems to question the wasteful ways that led the Port Authority to spend 4 BILLION dollars in the reconstruction of the WTC station. That should have been addressed in the article. Perhaps the PATH wouldn’t be such a money pit if more fiscal restraint was being exercised. Also not addressed: why is the Harrison construction project going to cost so much. The article mentions projected spending of ~250 MM, but prior numbers I had seen indicated the cost was pegged around 500 MM. Either way, it seems like a lot of money for what amounts to a tiny station with very limited ridership.

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PANYNJ sold the retail space to Westfield for $1.415 billion in 2013. PANYNJ does get extra payments if/when the mall revenue exceeds a certain threshold (I don’t know what that threshold is).

It may seem foolish for PANYNJ to sell it off, but given how many empty stores there still are, it may have been wise to let it go.


The only retailers that see to be busy are the Apple Store and Eataly.

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PANYNJ sold the retail space to Westfield for $1.415 billion in 2013. PANYNJ does get extra payments if/when the mall revenue exceeds a certain threshold (I don’t know what that threshold is).

It may seem foolish for PANYNJ to sell it off, but given how many empty stores there still are, it may have been wise to let it go.


A good chunk of the 4 billion that went into construction were also earmarked federal funds. As I understand, those funds weren't allowed to be used for anything but head house construction, hence why they went so grandiose and didn't do any tandem infrastructure improvements. (though you can argue we should have gotten much better for 4bn).

Between the sale of the space and the federal money, the PA didn't spend much, if any, money on the actual construction.

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PANYNJ sold the retail space to Westfield for $1.415 billion in 2013. PANYNJ does get extra payments if/when the mall revenue exceeds a certain threshold (I don’t know what that threshold is).

It may seem foolish for PANYNJ to sell it off, but given how many empty stores there still are, it may have been wise to let it go.


Definitely wise. I bet sales per sqft is shit compared to ultra high maintenance costs of the white marble.

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PANYNJ sold the retail space to Westfield for $1.415 billion in 2013. PANYNJ does get extra payments if/when the mall revenue exceeds a certain threshold (I don’t know what that threshold is).

It may seem foolish for PANYNJ to sell it off, but given how many empty stores there still are, it may have been wise to let it go.

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good point. perhaps the port authority should look to hong kong for inspiration on running PATH. In hong kong, the transportation authority owns its real estate and uses the cash flow from these properties to subsidize the metro there.



The original H&M railroad owned the office buildings that stood above the original lower Manhattan station. The Port Authority wanted the property.. but not the railroad.


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Back in the early 1990s, the PA wanted to be a major waterfront developer. They were supposed to redevelop the Hoboken waterfront (which was rotting piers at the time), but got voted down by Hoboken residents.

No rail transportation using the existing railroad right of way was part of the plan.

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So the oculus cost $4B including the mall and the transportation hall. Is the Port Authority getting any concession/rental income related to the commercial activity?
good point. perhaps the port authority should look to hong kong for inspiration on running PATH. In hong kong, the transportation authority owns its real estate and uses the cash flow from these properties to subsidize the metro there.

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So the oculus cost $4B including the mall and the transportation hall. Is the Port Authority getting any concession/rental income related to the commercial activity?

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The other thing all these articles miss is that the PATH spurs economic development. The $400 million a year subsidy is easily made up when you look at the economic impact to the state. Billions a year in new residential and commercial construction and high-income earners.

When there was talk of axing weekend and late night services, the developers were the most vocal in calls to the governor - both democrat and republican.

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Shit article. Didn't delve deeper to discover mismanagement at PATH.

The $4 billion Occulus wasn't necessary and includes the cost of the mall. It has no benefit the commuters. The temporary PATH station was much more functional.

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WTC ... talk about the literal "white elephant"... they have dimmed the lights in the building because some genius finally figured out that white is a difficult color to keep clean. Particularly in winter. Consequently people are falling down the steps to the PATH because they not seeing steps or not using the handrails which were installed long after it opened, for obvious safety reasons. And it leaks? LOL

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I was just about to post the same article. The reporter does a good job of presenting some facts, but never seems to question the wasteful ways that led the Port Authority to spend 4 BILLION dollars in the reconstruction of the WTC station. That should have been addressed in the article. Perhaps the PATH wouldn’t be such a money pit if more fiscal restraint was being exercised. Also not addressed: why is the Harrison construction project going to cost so much. The article mentions projected spending of ~250 MM, but prior numbers I had seen indicated the cost was pegged around 500 MM. Either way, it seems like a lot of money for what amounts to a tiny station with very limited ridership.

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Apparently the bathrooms across from forever 21 are open 24/7

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I doubt narco is a daily commuter because it's a horrible station for commuters. It looks nice if just visiting, but I can honestly say the temporary PATH station was much more functional. Someone with a disability should sue the Port Authoirty for ADA compliance. How many elevators and distance does it take to get from the train to the street, especially if bound to a wheelchair.


Yes! That simple row of long escalators at the temporary station was much better than that mess we have today.

Now you have to go through a half dozen different staircases and escalators to get out of the damn place while dodging tourists who walk slowly and stand on the left side of the escalators.

Anyone notice that the restrooms in the PATH area also have super limited hours? I think they close at like 7pm or something like that on weekends. Glad to see they could afford to deck the whole building out in white Italian marble, but they somehow they can’t afford to keep restrooms open while you’re waiting 30 minutes for a train at night. I guess it’s just too much to ask to pay someone minimum wage to attend to the restrooms 24/7 in a $4 billion building.

I predict the oculus will age very poorly and we can expect more leaks and an expensive restoration project in 20-30 years. The marble is already stained and cracked in places.

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I doubt narco is a daily commuter because it's a horrible station for commuters. It looks nice if just visiting, but I can honestly say the temporary PATH station was much more functional. Someone with a disability should sue the Port Authoirty for ADA compliance. How many elevators and distance does it take to get from the train to the street, especially if bound to a wheelchair.


amen. the Occulus is a classic case of way-too-spendy form over basic function.

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Not only should fares rise, but they should add a peak-hour premium to whatever is needed to reduce overcrowding and to encourage folks to go a half hour earlier or later. Unpopular opinion, but PATH is a fraction of the costs associated with driving.



Hell NO.... PATH is only 1/3 of my three zone commute. I first have to get to PATH, then PATH into the City, and then the NYC Subway to uptown Manhattan. I'm not the only one with a 3 zone commute. We don't need more highways clogging the the two tunnels and the GW Bridge into NYC. We need more public subsidies for mass transit to help alleviate traffic conditions all over the tri-state commuting area.


New Jersey is broke and taxes are already sky high. Were are we going to find additional subsidies? I hate it that no one is realistic when it comes to public finance. And to be honest, fares could triple on all three of your segments and I bet it will still be cheaper than driving when considering cost of tolls and parking in NYC. Plus it's going to be physically impossible to add any more cars to the tunnels, so I don't see that as a viable alternative either.

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And last, but water under the proverbial bridge, we should not have wasted billions on WTC PATH station. We PATH riders pay a premium for that debacle every day.


Agreed 1000% with you here - The Oculus was a terrible business decision $4 billion wasted for a shiity mall with poor egress. The port authority should have just sold the air rights for the site to the highest bidder and use the funds for trans-Hudson rail improvements. I wish NYC would bring the 7 line into New Jersey with a stop in Hudson County.


I cant believe people are still so butt hurt about the Oculus. Let it go. We tried that once where we didnt give a shit about commuters and put a massive building over what couldve been a beautiful train station. Its called Penn Station. You already got one. So let the rest of us finally have a nice station again like how it was in the heyday of travel.

Also, the subsidies from that mall help cover the costs of the station, and not to mention, literally every infrastructure project costs $4 billion now. Thats a problem with how we build, not with the PATH specifically.


The Oculus is no Pennsylvania Station of old, it's a shitty, overpriced mall that adds no benefit to commuters and actually hinders those commuting through it. I'll stick by my butt hurt stance

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Exactly right newbie!!

I doubt narco is a daily commuter because it's a horrible station for commuters. It looks nice if just visiting, but I can honestly say the temporary PATH station was much more functional. Someone with a disability should sue the Port Authoirty for ADA compliance. How many elevators and distance does it take to get from the train to the street, especially if bound to a wheelchair.

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Not only should fares rise, but they should add a peak-hour premium to whatever is needed to reduce overcrowding and to encourage folks to go a half hour earlier or later. Unpopular opinion, but PATH is a fraction of the costs associated with driving.



Hell NO.... PATH is only 1/3 of my three zone commute. I first have to get to PATH, then PATH into the City, and then the NYC Subway to uptown Manhattan. I'm not the only one with a 3 zone commute. We don't need more highways clogging the the two tunnels and the GW Bridge into NYC. We need more public subsidies for mass transit to help alleviate traffic conditions all over the tri-state commuting area.


New Jersey is broke and taxes are already sky high. Were are we going to find additional subsidies? I hate it that no one is realistic when it comes to public finance. And to be honest, fares could triple on all three of your segments and I bet it will still be cheaper than driving when considering cost of tolls and parking in NYC. Plus it's going to be physically impossible to add any more cars to the tunnels, so I don't see that as a viable alternative either.

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And last, but water under the proverbial bridge, we should not have wasted billions on WTC PATH station. We PATH riders pay a premium for that debacle every day.


Agreed 1000% with you here - The Oculus was a terrible business decision $4 billion wasted for a shiity mall with poor egress. The port authority should have just sold the air rights for the site to the highest bidder and use the funds for trans-Hudson rail improvements. I wish NYC would bring the 7 line into New Jersey with a stop in Hudson County.


I cant believe people are still so butt hurt about the Oculus. Let it go. We tried that once where we didnt give a shit about commuters and put a massive building over what couldve been a beautiful train station. Its called Penn Station. You already got one. So let the rest of us finally have a nice station again like how it was in the heyday of travel.

I wouldn't mind the mall and the expense of building if it weren't for the fact that it sucks as a commuter. I am sure people have said this before but repeating it to vent.
* the small, hard to read/find signs for the subways, PATH train platform.
* the lack of proper seating and signage on the PATH train platforms. Would it have killed the architect to put proper seats at the platforms that enough people could sit comfortable while waiting for the trains at nights or weekends?
* the long, circuitous routes to get from where you are to the platforms. esp. from outside to the PATH platforms.
* the long walk from PATH to the E train platform.

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Also, the subsidies from that mall help cover the costs of the station, and not to mention, literally every infrastructure project costs $4 billion now. Thats a problem with how we build, not with the PATH specifically.

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Hell NO.... PATH is only 1/3 of my three zone commute. I first have to get to PATH, then PATH into the City, and then the NYC Subway to uptown Manhattan. I'm not the only one with a 3 zone commute. We don't need more highways clogging the the two tunnels and the GW Bridge into NYC. We need more public subsidies for mass transit to help alleviate traffic conditions all over the tri-state commuting area.


New Jersey is broke and taxes are already sky high. Were are we going to find additional subsidies? I hate it that no one is realistic when it comes to public finance. And to be honest, fares could triple on all three of your segments and I bet it will still be cheaper than driving when considering cost of tolls and parking in NYC. Plus it's going to be physically impossible to add any more cars to the tunnels, so I don't see that as a viable alternative either.

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And last, but water under the proverbial bridge, we should not have wasted billions on WTC PATH station. We PATH riders pay a premium for that debacle every day.


Agreed 1000% with you here - The Oculus was a terrible business decision $4 billion wasted for a shiity mall with poor egress. The port authority should have just sold the air rights for the site to the highest bidder and use the funds for trans-Hudson rail improvements. I wish NYC would bring the 7 line into New Jersey with a stop in Hudson County.


I cant believe people are still so butt hurt about the Oculus. Let it go. We tried that once where we didnt give a shit about commuters and put a massive building over what couldve been a beautiful train station. Its called Penn Station. You already got one. So let the rest of us finally have a nice station again like how it was in the heyday of travel.

Also, the subsidies from that mall help cover the costs of the station, and not to mention, literally every infrastructure project costs $4 billion now. Thats a problem with how we build, not with the PATH specifically.

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Underground PATH stations are officially joining the 21st century.

The Port Authority announced Tuesday that cellphone service is being added to nine underground PATH stations, with connectivity from major carriers phased in over the course of the rest of the year and into early 2019.

As of Tuesday, AT&T and T-Mobile cellular service is available at underground PATH stations in New York, while cell service from both providers will expand to New Jersey's PATH stations in the next three weeks. Verizon Wireless and Sprint customers will see system-wide cellular service in both New York and New Jersey's underground PATH stations early next year.

Cellular connectivity will be available on platforms and throughout underground stations.

"We want to upgrade service to the traveling public at all our facilities," Port Authority Executive Director Rick Cotton said in a statement. "Access to cell coverage is an important expectation of PATH customers."

PATH follows in the footsteps of New York City's Metropolitan Transit Authority, which finished adding cellphone service to all of its subway stations in January 2017.

The PATH stations in New York with the new cellular coverage are: 33rd, 23rd, 14th, Ninth, and Christopher streets. The World Trade Center PATH station has had cellular coverage since it opened in 2016.

https://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... d.html#incart_river_index


this is awesome news! I was wondering why I started getting a signal at the 14th street station last week. now I know.


I am not at all excited by the prospect of cell service availability within trains or stations. People are rude enough as it is, so imagine the additional annoyance of people loudly speaking into their phones, as they flaunt the many other rules about music, food, etc. Even NJ Transit and Metro North were forced to add "quiet cars" to their trains because of this issue. Alas, that's a non-starter for the PATH considering the current overcrowding issues.


The environment on the platform is not all that conducive to a conversation. As a Path rider it would be nice to be able to text my boss when I'm going to be late which is pretty frequent, dial into an early conference call when there's a delay, or for people who have to pick up kids, get a ride...etc. Stop whining it's 2018 for christsakes.

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Underground PATH stations are officially joining the 21st century.

The Port Authority announced Tuesday that cellphone service is being added to nine underground PATH stations, with connectivity from major carriers phased in over the course of the rest of the year and into early 2019.

As of Tuesday, AT&T and T-Mobile cellular service is available at underground PATH stations in New York, while cell service from both providers will expand to New Jersey's PATH stations in the next three weeks. Verizon Wireless and Sprint customers will see system-wide cellular service in both New York and New Jersey's underground PATH stations early next year.

Cellular connectivity will be available on platforms and throughout underground stations.

"We want to upgrade service to the traveling public at all our facilities," Port Authority Executive Director Rick Cotton said in a statement. "Access to cell coverage is an important expectation of PATH customers."

PATH follows in the footsteps of New York City's Metropolitan Transit Authority, which finished adding cellphone service to all of its subway stations in January 2017.

The PATH stations in New York with the new cellular coverage are: 33rd, 23rd, 14th, Ninth, and Christopher streets. The World Trade Center PATH station has had cellular coverage since it opened in 2016.

https://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... d.html#incart_river_index


this is awesome news! I was wondering why I started getting a signal at the 14th street station last week. now I know.


I am not at all excited by the prospect of cell service availability within trains or stations. People are rude enough as it is, so imagine the additional annoyance of people loudly speaking into their phones, as they flaunt the many other rules about music, food, etc. Even NJ Transit and Metro North were forced to add "quiet cars" to their trains because of this issue. Alas, that's a non-starter for the PATH considering the current overcrowding issues.

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Not only should fares rise, but they should add a peak-hour premium to whatever is needed to reduce overcrowding and to encourage folks to go a half hour earlier or later. Unpopular opinion, but PATH is a fraction of the costs associated with driving.



Hell NO.... PATH is only 1/3 of my three zone commute. I first have to get to PATH, then PATH into the City, and then the NYC Subway to uptown Manhattan. I'm not the only one with a 3 zone commute. We don't need more highways clogging the the two tunnels and the GW Bridge into NYC. We need more public subsidies for mass transit to help alleviate traffic conditions all over the tri-state commuting area.


New Jersey is broke and taxes are already sky high. Were are we going to find additional subsidies? I hate it that no one is realistic when it comes to public finance. And to be honest, fares could triple on all three of your segments and I bet it will still be cheaper than driving when considering cost of tolls and parking in NYC. Plus it's going to be physically impossible to add any more cars to the tunnels, so I don't see that as a viable alternative either.

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And last, but water under the proverbial bridge, we should not have wasted billions on WTC PATH station. We PATH riders pay a premium for that debacle every day.


Agreed 1000% with you here - The Oculus was a terrible business decision $4 billion wasted for a shiity mall with poor egress. The port authority should have just sold the air rights for the site to the highest bidder and use the funds for trans-Hudson rail improvements. I wish NYC would bring the 7 line into New Jersey with a stop in Hudson County.

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Not only should fares rise, but they should add a peak-hour premium to whatever is needed to reduce overcrowding and to encourage folks to go a half hour earlier or later. Unpopular opinion, but PATH is a fraction of the costs associated with driving.



Hell NO.... PATH is only 1/3 of my three zone commute. I first have to get to PATH, then PATH into the City, and then the NYC Subway to uptown Manhattan. I'm not the only one with a 3 zone commute. We don't need more highways clogging the the two tunnels and the GW Bridge into NYC. We need more public subsidies for mass transit to help alleviate traffic conditions all over the tri-state commuting area.

And last, but water under the proverbial bridge, we should not have wasted billions on WTC PATH station. We PATH riders pay a premium for that debacle every day.

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Underground PATH stations are officially joining the 21st century.

The Port Authority announced Tuesday that cellphone service is being added to nine underground PATH stations, with connectivity from major carriers phased in over the course of the rest of the year and into early 2019.

As of Tuesday, AT&T and T-Mobile cellular service is available at underground PATH stations in New York, while cell service from both providers will expand to New Jersey's PATH stations in the next three weeks. Verizon Wireless and Sprint customers will see system-wide cellular service in both New York and New Jersey's underground PATH stations early next year.

Cellular connectivity will be available on platforms and throughout underground stations.

"We want to upgrade service to the traveling public at all our facilities," Port Authority Executive Director Rick Cotton said in a statement. "Access to cell coverage is an important expectation of PATH customers."

PATH follows in the footsteps of New York City's Metropolitan Transit Authority, which finished adding cellphone service to all of its subway stations in January 2017.

The PATH stations in New York with the new cellular coverage are: 33rd, 23rd, 14th, Ninth, and Christopher streets. The World Trade Center PATH station has had cellular coverage since it opened in 2016.

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this is awesome news! I was wondering why I started getting a signal at the 14th street station last week. now I know.

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PATH introducing cellphone service to underground stations

Updated 6:45 PM; Posted 6:45 PM

By Patrick Villanova
The Jersey Journal

Underground PATH stations are officially joining the 21st century.

The Port Authority announced Tuesday that cellphone service is being added to nine underground PATH stations, with connectivity from major carriers phased in over the course of the rest of the year and into early 2019.

As of Tuesday, AT&T and T-Mobile cellular service is available at underground PATH stations in New York, while cell service from both providers will expand to New Jersey's PATH stations in the next three weeks. Verizon Wireless and Sprint customers will see system-wide cellular service in both New York and New Jersey's underground PATH stations early next year.

Cellular connectivity will be available on platforms and throughout underground stations.

"We want to upgrade service to the traveling public at all our facilities," Port Authority Executive Director Rick Cotton said in a statement. "Access to cell coverage is an important expectation of PATH customers."

PATH follows in the footsteps of New York City's Metropolitan Transit Authority, which finished adding cellphone service to all of its subway stations in January 2017.

The PATH stations in New York with the new cellular coverage are: 33rd, 23rd, 14th, Ninth, and Christopher streets. The World Trade Center PATH station has had cellular coverage since it opened in 2016.

https://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... d.html#incart_river_index

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Updated 7:11 AM; Posted 7:00 AM (2018)

By Larry Higgs lhiggs@njadvancemedia.com,

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Feeling cramped on PATH trains lately?

It may be because a record breaking 82.8 million riders squeezed on to trans-Hudson trains in 2017, 4.3 million more than in 2016.

Last year was the first time PATH ridership topped 80 million since the Port Authority took control of the railroad in 1962, officials said. This marks the third time this decade that PATH shattered ridership numbers. Records were broken in 2011 and in 2012.

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As a motorcycle rider, I say fuck no to that. Heavy merged, like at the approaches to,, and the post-toll access ways to the tunnels are terrible. They are the only places where I routinely almost get hit when riding, and got hit once.

People are so anxious to crowd each other away at a merge, and motorcyclists are basically invisible to most drivers, that is is very easy to simply get knocked over.


I have this fantasy of people who won't alternate merge and act like it's a death match getting ticketed. Fantasy like I said.

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As a motorcycle rider, I say fuck no to that. Heavy merged, like at the approaches to,, and the post-toll access ways to the tunnels are terrible. They are the only places where I routinely almost get hit when riding, and got hit once.

People are so anxious to crowd each other away at a merge, and motorcyclists are basically invisible to most drivers, that is is very easy to simply get knocked over.

It is against a very important maxim of riding, to keep distance between you and the cars that will be trying to kill you.


To each their own. I routinely ride into the city, and for about two years it was the only way by which I commuted into the city, and never had issues using the Holland Tunnel. But, the savings associated with commuting by bike are many: reduced toll rates, very good gas mileage, ease of parking, less time wasted stuck in traffic jams.

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