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Victims of priest sexual abuse who signed confidentiality agreements with Catholic dioceses in New Jersey are free to ignore those deals and speak publicly about their experiences, church officials said in a statement Tuesday.

The announcement means all victims who reached financial settlements with the Catholic Church in New Jersey can call a new hotline established by the state Attorney General's office earlier this month to speak to investigators gathering evidence of clergy sexual abuse in the church.

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Everyone on here needs to just stop responding to her. She is absolutely ridiculous but you can't reason with ridiculous people.

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blah blah blah LIBERALS, blah blah blah gays are pedophiles.
You are ridiculous.


Of course cover it up and pretend sex abuse by some gay men does not happen at an alarming rate. This is no different than the Jim Crow area when some people physically abused black people. Their neighbors saw what was going on, but they said nothing. It probably bothered them but their silence added tot he problem. This problem is not just exclusive to the Catholic Church, rapes has increased in the military since don't ask don't tell has become history, and then there are the child actors who are passed around like candy. The people who are quiet on this subject are contributing indirectly to the problem.


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Stressing that the situation in the underworld was quickly spiraling out of control, Satan, the Great Tempter and Father of Lies, announced Wednesday that he would not allow any more Catholic priests to enter hell.


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Probably won't be engaging in this thread any longer, bc in the weeks since i joined it's become like a bad habit
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Mao -what I find problematic isn’t as much your position (everyone is entitled to one) but that your backup is consistently weak, and you engage in intellectual dishonesty.

For example, your original post on Dr. Fitzgibbons would have JCList readers believe that he is an objective authority (“Dr. Fitzgibbons is highly respected with lots of experience with this” was your intro) when a quick google search shows Dr. Fitzgibbons far-right bias. He also does not have board certification in Psychiatiatry & Neurology, and according to the American Board of Medical Specialties, as of late 2017, he isn't board certified in any medical specialty or family medicine. He’s just prolific, not in publications like say JAMA or the New England Journal of Medicine, but on alt-right Catholic sites.

According to JCList newbie Edgewordwise (Mao- please tell me he/she isn’t one of your friends in the orthodox Mass group or perhaps even your ‘wonderful wife’ coming to your defense lol), you are most definitely not a “self-loathing latent homosexual.” We will take it on the word of those who know you best, but honestly the way you present yourself on JCList, I don’t think Sutherland was trying insult you, but simply being blunt about his suspicions.
It’s the “self-loathing” part that’s troublesome, not the homosexual part, yet that Edgewordwise seems to automatically assume that the phrase was an insult, seems telling of his/her bias that being gay is an insult. Don't think Sutherland is the one unenlightened.

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I don't know where Fr. Gerry Sudol is actually living nor why his name is still on the bulletin as being in residence. I could only suspect that it would take awhile to remove it if he has been moved. Again, I don't know why he is still on the bulletin. Still, if he is not in ministry and not proven guilty of anything, certainly not of an allegation of something that may or may not have happened awhile ago, he does get to live somewhere. There are prosecuted sex offenders who live through our neighborhoods. I would be less concerned with where he is living and more focused on what any investigation will entail.

But again, I no longer actually practice Catholicism and I don't go to services, unless I absolutely have to like an immediately family member's funeral or nuptials.

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To return to the original post, why is Fr. Gerry still listed as in-residence in the OLC church bulletin and not one mention of this particular scandal is made? This kind of damage control or lack thereof by ignoring the elephant in the room is discouraging.


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The Italian newspaper, il Fatto Quotidiano, has the 300-page dossier commissioned by Pope Benedict. It has the names of the gay mafia, the term the newspaper used in Vatican City and other parts of the world. Several months after this report was given to Benedict, he resigned. The rumor is, he wanted a younger pope to clean up the church and he was too old to do the job. The report lists all includes the bishops who covered up sex abuse in the church. On that list was the bishop of Argentina, now Pope Francis. Also, on listed in the dossier was McCarrick. Benedict basically had McCarrick basically under house arrest, but when Francis became pope, he restored his privileges and made McCarrick a trusted advisor. McCarrick, the predator cardinal is the one who suggested that Tobin should be head of the Archdiocese of Newark. I am looking for to the Italian newspapers listing names especially bishops in the USA.

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Though Rod Dreher has some trenchant criticism of Dr. FitzGibbons. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/

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Dear Mr. Sutherland and friends:

Since I gather that you would see your younger self as previously self-loathing and therefore closeted homosexual, I know you mean me only the best by posing your question!
Freud may have some usefulness and I know that there is some validity in the concept of denial and negative transference, but I think it’s rarely helpful when discussing issues. It would not be helpful, for example, if I were to dismiss your opinions as a mere defense mechanism etc.

Hatred of Christianity is co-extensive with Christianity. But if anything is self-loathing, it is the current liberal/progressive “Christianity,” represented in this thread by you, ESP, and others, and which has been regnant in the Western church since Vatican II and which accomplishes the sort of trans valuation of values- a concept described by Nietzsche and summed up, he says, in the figure of the Antichrist. That seems to be what I hear from you, ESP, K-Lo and others.
When it comes to Catholicism, calling something medieval, or pre Vatican II is to vouch for its authenticity and Christian truth. Revelation ended with the death of the last apostle and the job of the bishop, with Pope at the head, is to preserve this- not change it. This gets people all agitated and they try to draw up a list of showing all the changes. What is certain is that the Catholic sexual ethic has always held virginity as the highest value, an eschatological sign, while simultaneously raising the marriage bed to the level of a sacrament which shows the love of God in the children that issue forth while being very wary of sexuality in the fallen world.

Dr. FitzGibbons has assisted accused priests. More to his credit! Isn’t everyone entitled to assistance? Also, I personally know of innocent priests who are scapegoated while the real wrongdoers merely keep rising in power. In the hysteria that gets whipped up, many innocent priests are thrown under the bus. Fr. McRae in NH is probably the most famous of these. http://thesestonewalls.com/gordon-mac ... ongly-imprisoned-america/

That brings me to another point: as bad as all this is, the majority of Catholic priests are faithful to their vows and vocations. Unlike in the 1970s and thereabouts, those priests who are unfaithful are not victimizing the faithful but are carrying on with other consenting adults. Most abuse of minors occurs in the home, by relatives or friends, and public schools, sport teams, etc are all experiencing much higher levels of abuse than the Catholic church.

Someone sneered earlier on that I was predicting the end of civilization. Yes, the end of this civilization which was formed by Jerusalem and Athens through Rome. If , contrary to the promise of scripture, the church were to be extinguished, the civilization that follows would be, to the progressives, some sort of utopia. I think, that in fact, it would be some sort of nightmare for all of us that has been described in the dystopic literature that has been warning us of what such a future would be since the end of the 19th century.

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AG Grewal Establishes Task Force to Investigate Allegations of Sexual Abuse by Clergy in Catholic Dioceses of New Jersey

N.J. hotline to report priest sex abuse overwhelmed by number of callers

Catholic Church helps priest accused of sex abuse get a gig at Disney World

*Despite knowing that (the priest) was a sexual predator, the diocese later gave him a positive reference for a job at Walt Disney World, where he worked for 15 years as a train driver in the Magic Kingdom.


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Indeed. I think I meant disgusting. Did not have my coffee yet.

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This kind of damage control or lack thereof by ignoring the elephant in the room is discouraging.


The understatement of the century.

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LOL. Having known Mao personally for many years I can tell you he is a happily married lawyer with a wonderful wife and kids who he can drive crazy with his encyclopedic knowledge of church history.

Sutherland, if you are wielding the suspicion that one is a “self-loathing latent homosexual” as an insult, then that makes me doubt how enlightened you are. I always find it hypocritical when supporters of gay rights turn around and think they can bully people by trying to out them.

To return to the original post, why is Fr. Gerry still listed as in-residence in the OLC church bulletin and not one mention of this particular scandal is made? This kind of damage control or lack thereof by ignoring the elephant in the room is discouraging.


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Mao,

I suspect that you are a self loathing latent homosexual. You're holding onto an institution that has self destructed despite having done many good works. Your justification for the reestablishment of a church that could no longer be productive in my opinion is just your way of looking for shelter so you could remain in denial about key aspects of your self.

I find it sad. And I mean that sincerely. You seem intellectually capable with some capacity for intellectual curiosity. But you're so emotionally immature that you cannot realize your potential or find happiness.

This is not a personal attack on you, but only my theory and opinion. Which candidly is based only on a few of your posts that I've read. Well that in conjunction with my spending several years in the seminary and knowing other people who very much seem to be like you. Incidentally, when I was in the seminary McCarrick leaned towards many of the same conservative positions that you espouse. It's an observation I find particularly interesting.

Candidly, I believe or perhaps hope that this entire ordeal is going to be very transformative for the Catholic. Unfortunately for you, the result will not be the institution you hope for. For your sake, I hope you can find peace in that and make a place for yourself in it.




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Wow. Obviously I hit a nerve.

Real my last post – I laid out an argument, as to why the person or websites you offer as supposedly objective authorities are anything but disinterested and have definitive strong agendas. Notice you did not respond to the substance of my argument and instead try to deflect.

I find you, and Yvonne, are not furthering the discussion by offering disingenuous stuff that as Sutherland suggested, is designed to pull the wool over the eyes of those less educated and or those unwilling to look critically at what you proffer as “proof” of your positions. And if you are indeed a lawyer you arguably should be held to a higher standard than the non-attorney Yvonnes of the world.

As to what my beliefs are – be it Catholic, Protestant, Wiccan, Muslim, agnostic, atheist, whatever – how is that relevant to being able to weigh in with my views of what i see as weak arguments on your part? People pointing that out you then incorrectly characterize as engaging in ad hominem attacks.

And if as you say you're truly "proud and grateful" for being alt right then proudly wear the mantle without being so thin skinned.





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All you ever do is ad homimens. Alt right ahhhh. Latin Mass runn. (And all of this I am very proud of and grateful for btw).

Insult me by saying that its unbelievable that anyone would pay me to make an argument in court.

Can you engage in a substantive argument.

Also, you are preoccupied with attacking me personally- my beliefs, my occupation, my faith, the practice of my faith. I honestly am bewildered by it. I asked some questions about you to help me understand. Are you a Catholic? A nun? An exCatholic? Etc.

You have not been disclosing. WHy not? It would help the conversation- except all you want to do is shut me down.

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The publication that is promoting Dr. Fitzgibbons as a so-called authority is Lifesite.com, a hyper-orthodox Catholic organization who headlines itself as “The #1 site for Pro-Life News!”

Actual journalistic ones like the Washington Post, The New York Times (and in comparison to lifesite.com, even Fox News) all tag Lifesite.com as being ultra-conservative Catholic.

Snopes.com which analyzes fake news on both liberal and conservative ends of the spectrum, has called out lifesite.com a number of times. Watchdog sites like mediamatters.org and rightwingwatch.org have also called out lifesite.com.

The only one calling this Dr. Fitzgibbons “well-respected” is none other than JCList’s pope-wanna-be.

A simple google search on the doctor comes up with the following:

* Dr. Fitzgibbons actually worked for accused priests in a conservative diocese, as part of his membership in an organization that defended priests from abuse charges. http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/ ... luated-troubled-kc-priest

* Doctor’s google reviews not terrific, and according to one patient, his practice also did reparative LGBT therapy https://www.google.com/search?q=richar ... 6c3163:0x401787043d3a1894,1,,,

* He runs an orthodox family counseling practice and links to this piece he wrote suggesting that Catholics who are uncomfortable with orthodox practices are the ones with psychological/anger issues. https://www.maritalhealing.com/conflic ... ressiveAnger-Fall2017.pdf

@ Mao, people pay you to argue their cases, for real? Because you aren’t doing a great job presenting your position. Trying to sell Dr. Fitzgibbons as a credible, objective source is sorta insulting our intelligence. If you can't forward your position with credible sources who aren't waving an agenda or bordering on nutty, then expect to get called out.

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Mr. Sutherland:

The plenty of gay men in many resposible positions who are not engaging in sexual abuse whom you cite may not suffer from any disorder (personality disorder such as narcisism) that explains this abusive behaviour which FitzGibbons is addressing. Nor do the gay men you cite serve as guardians of doctrine that prescribes homosexuality so they are not in the bind that Sipe describes.

Full disclosure, I suspect that FitzGibbon probably subsribes to the clinical perspective that homosexuality is a disorder or a maladaption. I understand that this is considered hate speech. I don't think that is fair. I can understand how a gay man would, however, percieve it as condemning.

Richard Sipe on the other hand is post Christian and pro gay.

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Because it's not at all consistent with the vast collection of material on the topic that I've read by more renowned authorities. Also, anecdotally, there are plenty of gay men in the world in positions as teachers, police officers, professional athletes, coaches, physicians, attorneys, plumbers who are not running around sexually assaulting people. The information Fitzgibbons published is skewed based upon the population of the study that he chose. He's entirely full of bologna. There is absolutely no integrity to his study.

For an educated guy with a law degree, you're making weak arguments. You're hoping that your reader is uneducated and will sheepishly adopt your position based upon unsubstantiated materials.

You're free to enjoy older liturgy. I do as well. However, you're not going to get too many people to subscribe to your offensive and antiquated notions.
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Dear Sutherland and Frankn M:

Why do you, Mr. Sutherland, reject this article and why do you Frank M., resort to expletives?

Dr. Fitzgibbons describes narcissim as a personality trait associated with sexual assault and he seems to bring a psychodynamic approach to how this unfolds. He also is unequivocal in his support of Christian sexual morality. This does, of course, go against the majority of mental health professionals who have an antagonistic relationship with traditionial Christianity. Freud may be largely discredited but some of this antagonism started with him (even though he is actually much more nuanced on this).,

Richard W. Sipe, an ex monk, progressive psycoanalayst, also did some really good work in this area. He rejects Christian sexual morality and sees the problem as the dynamic of the guardians of the Faith who privately don't believe in the faith creating a web of deceit. http://www.awrsipe.com/

Sexual predation of minors or of subordinates is so heinous that I think the Sipe thesis alone is inadquate. Personality disorder, or demons, seems about right.

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So you're now saying that Cardinal Archbishop Tobin is gay and sexually abusive to others?

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Dear Sutherland and Frankn M:

Why do you, Mr. Sutherland, reject this article and why do you Frank M., resort to expletives?

Dr. Fitzgibbons describes narcissim as a personality trait associated with sexual assault and he seems to bring a psychodynamic approach to how this unfolds. He also is unequivocal in his support of Christian sexual morality. This does, of course, go against the majority of mental health professionals who have an antagonistic relationship with traditionial Christianity. Freud may be largely discredited but some of this antagonism started with him (even though he is actually much more nuanced on this).,

Richard W. Sipe, an ex monk, progressive psycoanalayst, also did some really good work in this area. He rejects Christian sexual morality and sees the problem as the dynamic of the guardians of the Faith who privately don't believe in the faith creating a web of deceit. http://www.awrsipe.com/

Sexual predation of minors or of subordinates is so heinous that I think the Sipe thesis alone is inadquate. Personality disorder, or demons, seems about right.

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Let’s see if Yvonne will fall for this fake news too.

https://www.theonion.com/pope-starting ... huge-erections-1828998652

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Tat does not in any way excuse the cover up by the entire hierarchy, even if you entire premise was correct, which it isn't.

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Let's ignore the homosexual problem in the Church by gay men. There will be investigations in other states has to do with seminarians contacting state government. Sexual predator McCarrick was archbishop of Newark, he appointed many people to high positions including telling Pope Francis to appoint Tobin now Cardinal to McCarrick's old post. I am looking forward to the NJ investigation and I hope, they investigates the seminary. Yes, some young men still want to be priests and they do not want to be hit on by gays in upper management.

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I read this article and reject it entirely.
The author is a total quack with his own agenda and personal issues.

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Dr. FitzGibbons is a very well respected psychiatrist with lots of experience with this abuse. His article, I think, is interesting. I know ESP will rail that LifeSite News is a alt right, blah blah blah. Try to read the article before rejecting it.



Anyone who blames abuse crisis on ‘clericalism’ is part of the abuse crisis cover-up: Psychiatrist
Catholic, Clergy Sex Abuse Scandal, Clericalism, Homosexuality, Pope Francis, Sex Abuse Crisis In Catholic Church

September 12, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – The present severe crisis of sexual abuse by bishops and priests in the Church worldwide has resulted in a number of opinions regarding its origins.

The recent Pennsylvania Grand Jury Report identified the homosexual predation of males; the Holy Father and Cardinal Cupich blame “clericalism”; the John Jay Causes and Context study (2011) postulated "availability."

My professional opinion as a psychiatrist with forty years of clinical experience is that the cause of the abuse crisis is rooted in psychological and spiritual conflicts in bishops and in priests, specifically a narcissism and a profound weakness in male confidence which inclines them to homosexual predation.

Homosexual predation
The recent Pennsylvania Grand Jury Report helps to clarify the origins of the sexual harassment of youth. It identifies 73% of the victims as being subjected to homosexual predation.

This finding is also consistent with the reports of the sexual harassment by Archbishop McCarrick of children, teenagers, young adults and adults.

Again, this finding is consistent with my clinical experience as a psychiatrist over the past forty years in treating priest abusers. In every case I knew of sexual involvement with children or adolescents, the perpetrator had previously been involved in adult homosexual relationships.

Summary of Pennsylvania Predator Priest Activity

Heterosexual Predation – 23%

child - 6%
female teenage victims- 16%
female adult victims -1 %
Homosexual Predation – 73%

child victims 11%
male teenage victims – 60%
male adult victims -2%
Child Porn

Gender Non-Specific - 4%
(Source: 40th Statewide Investigating Grand Jury REPORT 1 / Interim – Redacted. 2018.)

The Pennsylvania Grand Jury Report notably identifies the sexual harassment of children, teenagers and adults as “homosexual predation of children, teenagers and adults by an adult male.” It specifically did not use the terms of the John Jay report of pedophilia for child abuse or of ephebophilia for adolescent-abusive acts. Instead, the Pennsylvania Report clarified that a male’s engaging in sexually abusive behaviors toward another male is homosexual predation regardless of the age of the victim.

Clericalism
Pope Francis on August 20, 2018, stated that “clericalism” was the root cause of the sex abuse crisis in Pennsylvania. He stated:

“Clericalism, whether fostered by priests themselves or by lay persons, leads to an excision in the ecclesial body that supports and helps to perpetuate many of the evils that we are condemning today. To say ‘no’ to abuse is to say an emphatic ‘no’ to all forms of clericalism.”

Clericalism has been described elsewhere as a “disordered attitude” toward clergy which often results in an “excessive deference and an assumption of their moral superiority.” Pope Francis has noted that such an attitude can be “fostered by priests themselves or by lay persons.”

Clericalism, however, does not result in a psychological need in a priest for a sexual encounter with another male, especially an adolescent.

The Holy Father did not acknowledge the role of homosexual predation among clergy in the Pennsylvania crisis.

Cardinal Cupich also identified clericalism, not homosexual priests, as the cause of the sexual abuse crisis. Recently, the arrest of two priests of the Archdiocese of Chicago for public lewdness erodes the tag of clericalism.

In my professional opinion, in an effort to deny the role of homosexuality in the sexual abuse crisis, clericalism and availability (the John Jay Report) have been incorrectly identified as major causes. There is no psychological relationship between clericalism, availability and the sexual abuse of youth.

Both these terms manifest an attempt to cover-up the true origins of the abuse crisis.

Availability - John Jay Report
In the John Jay first report of The Nature and Scope of Sexual Abuse of Minors (2004), 4,392 clerics were accused of childhood sexual abuse, which represented about 4 percent of clerics in active ministry during the study period.

It found that incidents of clergy sexual abuse of youth increased in the 1960s, peaked around 1980, and have been declining since then. This time period coincided with a major rebellion by bishops, priests, Catholic universities and educators, and the laity against the Church’s teaching on sexual morality, which was reasserted by Pope Paul VI in Humanae Vitae.

Table 1 Alleged victims of sexual abuse incidents, grouped by gender and age

Age in years 1–7 8–10 11–14 15–17

Male
Number 203 992 4,282 2,892

Female
Number 284 398 734 502

(Source: John Jay College, The Nature and Scope of Sexual Abuse of Minors, 53, table 3.54.)

The John Jay Report found that 81% of the alleged victims were males.

The Causes and Context study (2011) by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice concluded that the childhood and adolescent sexual abuse committed by clergy was unrelated to homosexuality. Instead, they identified the predation and abuse of adolescent males, the primary victims in the crisis, as a crime of opportunity or availability. While criminologists may describe homosexual predation in imprisoned men as arising from availability, this theory is not applicable to the general public or to priests.

The John Jay second study ignored the severe psychological conflicts and grooming behaviors in priests and bishops, such as Archbishop McCarrick who sexually abused minors, seminarians and adults.

Psychological and spiritual conflicts
The major psychological conflicts that contribute to the homosexual predation of children, adolescents and seminarians in my clinical experience over the past 40 years are narcissism and a profound weakness in male confidence.

I have described the role of narcissism in the epidemic of sexually aggressive behaviors in the media, as well as in singles and adolescents of both sexes.

Narcissism can lead a man to act against his natural role as protector of youth and to think and feel that he is entitled to use others as sexual objects.

If a priest fails to teach and live the Church’s truth about sexual morality and chastity as contained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Humanae Vitae, he does not configure himself to Jesus Christ and fails to surrender his sexuality to the Lord. This weakness in sacrificial self-giving weakens his confidence and makes him vulnerable to situational ethics and to act-out sexually.

Also, Archbishop Joseph Naumann has written an excellent letter in response to the sexual abuse crisis in which he challenges priests to preach on the Church’s truth about sexual morality and chastity.

“The priest needs to be able to articulate, in a convincing and compelling way, why heterosexual intimacy outside of the marital covenant is gravely immoral, as well as why homosexual activity is also always seriously sinful,” he wrote.

Responses to the causes of the crisis
The trust in the hierarchy and in the Holy Father himself has been profoundly damaged by the sexual abuse crisis, the response to it and the accusations by Archbishop Viganò of a cover-up of Archbishop McCarrick’s predatory homosexual behavior by top leaders in the Church.

Robert George has identified the documents that are essential to review in response to the allegations of a cover-up of Archbishop McCarrick’s evil behaviors by the Vatican authorities. He suggested that the only way to arrive at the truth would be for the Pope to order church officials to release all pertinent documents in any and all Vatican and Washington offices.

Archbishop Chaput’s recommendation to the Holy Father that he cancel the Synod on Youth seems prudent. He said, “Right now, the bishops would have absolutely no credibility in addressing this topic.” Instead, he recommends that a Synod of Bishops be held to address the sexual abuse crisis in the Church.

In my professional opinion, Archbishop Chaput is correct. The mistrust in the laity is so severe at this time, because of the predatory homosexual abuse of youth and seminarians and its continued cover-up by bishops, that they would not trust the views of bishops in the proceedings or conclusions of a Synod on Youth.

The Pennsylvania Grand Jury Report that identifies homosexual predation in 73% of the cases victims of alleged abuse cannot be ignored, denied or rationalized.

A commitment should be made to follow the 2002 recommendation of Pope John Paul II in response to the crisis in the United States, which was to teach the fullness of the Church’s truth on sexual morality. It would also mean ending the inexplicable and culpable silence on sexual morality and marriage as found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Humanae Vitae. This also would mean learning or relearning moral theology that already proved itself capable of converting an over-sexualized pagan world.

Cardinal Francis George, the late Archbishop of Chicago, spoke of this truth at the annual meeting of the National Association of Catholic Diocesan Lesbian and Gay Ministries in Chicago in 1999. He said:

“It is possible, with God's grace, for everyone to live a chaste life, including persons experiencing same-sex attraction. To deny that the power of God's grace enables those with homosexual attractions to live chastely is to deny, effectively, that Jesus has risen from the dead.”

Once authentic Catholic moral theology has been learned and communicated, then mandatory conferences on homosexuality should be required for priests and bishops in every diocese and seminary given by Courage, the only international program in the Church for those with same-sex attraction that is loyal to the Church’s teaching. Such conferences should also be required of the cardinals, bishops and priests serving in the Vatican.

Since the John Jay Report failed to identify the psychological and spiritual causes of the sexual abuse crisis, the programs developed to protect youth and priests from further abuse are seriously deficient and must be corrected.

The USCCB should consult with mental health professionals who support the Church’s teaching on sexual morality, such as in the Catholic Medical Association, and who understand the role of narcissism and psychological conflicts in the origins of same-sex attraction and homosexual predation of males of all ages. These professionals should then develop their aspect of a comprehensive program to protect priests from sexual acting-out with youth, primarily adolescent males, and with their own peers.

The laity also has a responsibility to be active in protecting the truths in the Church as it did in the Arian heresy. They must demand that bishops and priests be spiritual fathers who are loyal to the Church by preaching the truth.

It is time to face the truth about the origins of the sexual abuse crisis so that the Church remains faithful to Jesus Christ and does not participate in the de-Christianization of the culture.

Editor's note: Rick Fitzgibbons, M.D. coedited an August 2011 issue of the Catholic Medical Association’s Linacre Quarterly on the crisis in the Church in which he co-authored several articles, is a member of the John Paul II Academy for Human Life and Family, has taught at the John Paul II Institute for Studies on Marriage and Family at Catholic University of America and has served as a consultant to the Congregation for Clergy at the Vatican. His forthcoming book on strengthening Catholic marriages will be published in 2019 by Ignatius Press.

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Dr. FitzGibbons is a very well respected psychiatrist with lots of experience with this abuse. His article, I think, is interesting. I know ESP will rail that LifeSite News is a alt right, blah blah blah. Try to read the article before rejecting it.



Anyone who blames abuse crisis on ‘clericalism’ is part of the abuse crisis cover-up: Psychiatrist
Catholic, Clergy Sex Abuse Scandal, Clericalism, Homosexuality, Pope Francis, Sex Abuse Crisis In Catholic Church

September 12, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – The present severe crisis of sexual abuse by bishops and priests in the Church worldwide has resulted in a number of opinions regarding its origins.

The recent Pennsylvania Grand Jury Report identified the homosexual predation of males; the Holy Father and Cardinal Cupich blame “clericalism”; the John Jay Causes and Context study (2011) postulated "availability."

My professional opinion as a psychiatrist with forty years of clinical experience is that the cause of the abuse crisis is rooted in psychological and spiritual conflicts in bishops and in priests, specifically a narcissism and a profound weakness in male confidence which inclines them to homosexual predation.

Homosexual predation
The recent Pennsylvania Grand Jury Report helps to clarify the origins of the sexual harassment of youth. It identifies 73% of the victims as being subjected to homosexual predation.

This finding is also consistent with the reports of the sexual harassment by Archbishop McCarrick of children, teenagers, young adults and adults.

Again, this finding is consistent with my clinical experience as a psychiatrist over the past forty years in treating priest abusers. In every case I knew of sexual involvement with children or adolescents, the perpetrator had previously been involved in adult homosexual relationships.

Summary of Pennsylvania Predator Priest Activity

Heterosexual Predation – 23%

child - 6%
female teenage victims- 16%
female adult victims -1 %
Homosexual Predation – 73%

child victims 11%
male teenage victims – 60%
male adult victims -2%
Child Porn

Gender Non-Specific - 4%
(Source: 40th Statewide Investigating Grand Jury REPORT 1 / Interim – Redacted. 2018.)

The Pennsylvania Grand Jury Report notably identifies the sexual harassment of children, teenagers and adults as “homosexual predation of children, teenagers and adults by an adult male.” It specifically did not use the terms of the John Jay report of pedophilia for child abuse or of ephebophilia for adolescent-abusive acts. Instead, the Pennsylvania Report clarified that a male’s engaging in sexually abusive behaviors toward another male is homosexual predation regardless of the age of the victim.

Clericalism
Pope Francis on August 20, 2018, stated that “clericalism” was the root cause of the sex abuse crisis in Pennsylvania. He stated:

“Clericalism, whether fostered by priests themselves or by lay persons, leads to an excision in the ecclesial body that supports and helps to perpetuate many of the evils that we are condemning today. To say ‘no’ to abuse is to say an emphatic ‘no’ to all forms of clericalism.”

Clericalism has been described elsewhere as a “disordered attitude” toward clergy which often results in an “excessive deference and an assumption of their moral superiority.” Pope Francis has noted that such an attitude can be “fostered by priests themselves or by lay persons.”

Clericalism, however, does not result in a psychological need in a priest for a sexual encounter with another male, especially an adolescent.

The Holy Father did not acknowledge the role of homosexual predation among clergy in the Pennsylvania crisis.

Cardinal Cupich also identified clericalism, not homosexual priests, as the cause of the sexual abuse crisis. Recently, the arrest of two priests of the Archdiocese of Chicago for public lewdness erodes the tag of clericalism.

In my professional opinion, in an effort to deny the role of homosexuality in the sexual abuse crisis, clericalism and availability (the John Jay Report) have been incorrectly identified as major causes. There is no psychological relationship between clericalism, availability and the sexual abuse of youth.

Both these terms manifest an attempt to cover-up the true origins of the abuse crisis.

Availability - John Jay Report
In the John Jay first report of The Nature and Scope of Sexual Abuse of Minors (2004), 4,392 clerics were accused of childhood sexual abuse, which represented about 4 percent of clerics in active ministry during the study period.

It found that incidents of clergy sexual abuse of youth increased in the 1960s, peaked around 1980, and have been declining since then. This time period coincided with a major rebellion by bishops, priests, Catholic universities and educators, and the laity against the Church’s teaching on sexual morality, which was reasserted by Pope Paul VI in Humanae Vitae.

Table 1 Alleged victims of sexual abuse incidents, grouped by gender and age

Age in years 1–7 8–10 11–14 15–17

Male
Number 203 992 4,282 2,892

Female
Number 284 398 734 502

(Source: John Jay College, The Nature and Scope of Sexual Abuse of Minors, 53, table 3.54.)

The John Jay Report found that 81% of the alleged victims were males.

The Causes and Context study (2011) by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice concluded that the childhood and adolescent sexual abuse committed by clergy was unrelated to homosexuality. Instead, they identified the predation and abuse of adolescent males, the primary victims in the crisis, as a crime of opportunity or availability. While criminologists may describe homosexual predation in imprisoned men as arising from availability, this theory is not applicable to the general public or to priests.

The John Jay second study ignored the severe psychological conflicts and grooming behaviors in priests and bishops, such as Archbishop McCarrick who sexually abused minors, seminarians and adults.

Psychological and spiritual conflicts
The major psychological conflicts that contribute to the homosexual predation of children, adolescents and seminarians in my clinical experience over the past 40 years are narcissism and a profound weakness in male confidence.

I have described the role of narcissism in the epidemic of sexually aggressive behaviors in the media, as well as in singles and adolescents of both sexes.

Narcissism can lead a man to act against his natural role as protector of youth and to think and feel that he is entitled to use others as sexual objects.

If a priest fails to teach and live the Church’s truth about sexual morality and chastity as contained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Humanae Vitae, he does not configure himself to Jesus Christ and fails to surrender his sexuality to the Lord. This weakness in sacrificial self-giving weakens his confidence and makes him vulnerable to situational ethics and to act-out sexually.

Also, Archbishop Joseph Naumann has written an excellent letter in response to the sexual abuse crisis in which he challenges priests to preach on the Church’s truth about sexual morality and chastity.

“The priest needs to be able to articulate, in a convincing and compelling way, why heterosexual intimacy outside of the marital covenant is gravely immoral, as well as why homosexual activity is also always seriously sinful,” he wrote.

Responses to the causes of the crisis
The trust in the hierarchy and in the Holy Father himself has been profoundly damaged by the sexual abuse crisis, the response to it and the accusations by Archbishop Viganò of a cover-up of Archbishop McCarrick’s predatory homosexual behavior by top leaders in the Church.

Robert George has identified the documents that are essential to review in response to the allegations of a cover-up of Archbishop McCarrick’s evil behaviors by the Vatican authorities. He suggested that the only way to arrive at the truth would be for the Pope to order church officials to release all pertinent documents in any and all Vatican and Washington offices.

Archbishop Chaput’s recommendation to the Holy Father that he cancel the Synod on Youth seems prudent. He said, “Right now, the bishops would have absolutely no credibility in addressing this topic.” Instead, he recommends that a Synod of Bishops be held to address the sexual abuse crisis in the Church.

In my professional opinion, Archbishop Chaput is correct. The mistrust in the laity is so severe at this time, because of the predatory homosexual abuse of youth and seminarians and its continued cover-up by bishops, that they would not trust the views of bishops in the proceedings or conclusions of a Synod on Youth.

The Pennsylvania Grand Jury Report that identifies homosexual predation in 73% of the cases victims of alleged abuse cannot be ignored, denied or rationalized.

A commitment should be made to follow the 2002 recommendation of Pope John Paul II in response to the crisis in the United States, which was to teach the fullness of the Church’s truth on sexual morality. It would also mean ending the inexplicable and culpable silence on sexual morality and marriage as found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Humanae Vitae. This also would mean learning or relearning moral theology that already proved itself capable of converting an over-sexualized pagan world.

Cardinal Francis George, the late Archbishop of Chicago, spoke of this truth at the annual meeting of the National Association of Catholic Diocesan Lesbian and Gay Ministries in Chicago in 1999. He said:

“It is possible, with God's grace, for everyone to live a chaste life, including persons experiencing same-sex attraction. To deny that the power of God's grace enables those with homosexual attractions to live chastely is to deny, effectively, that Jesus has risen from the dead.”

Once authentic Catholic moral theology has been learned and communicated, then mandatory conferences on homosexuality should be required for priests and bishops in every diocese and seminary given by Courage, the only international program in the Church for those with same-sex attraction that is loyal to the Church’s teaching. Such conferences should also be required of the cardinals, bishops and priests serving in the Vatican.

Since the John Jay Report failed to identify the psychological and spiritual causes of the sexual abuse crisis, the programs developed to protect youth and priests from further abuse are seriously deficient and must be corrected.

The USCCB should consult with mental health professionals who support the Church’s teaching on sexual morality, such as in the Catholic Medical Association, and who understand the role of narcissism and psychological conflicts in the origins of same-sex attraction and homosexual predation of males of all ages. These professionals should then develop their aspect of a comprehensive program to protect priests from sexual acting-out with youth, primarily adolescent males, and with their own peers.

The laity also has a responsibility to be active in protecting the truths in the Church as it did in the Arian heresy. They must demand that bishops and priests be spiritual fathers who are loyal to the Church by preaching the truth.

It is time to face the truth about the origins of the sexual abuse crisis so that the Church remains faithful to Jesus Christ and does not participate in the de-Christianization of the culture.

Editor's note: Rick Fitzgibbons, M.D. coedited an August 2011 issue of the Catholic Medical Association’s Linacre Quarterly on the crisis in the Church in which he co-authored several articles, is a member of the John Paul II Academy for Human Life and Family, has taught at the John Paul II Institute for Studies on Marriage and Family at Catholic University of America and has served as a consultant to the Congregation for Clergy at the Vatican. His forthcoming book on strengthening Catholic marriages will be published in 2019 by Ignatius Press.

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@ Adonis - No one is arguing whether or not there is a gay subculture in the catholic church. There may be, but that does not mean that someone homosexual equals abuser. But that seems to be what Yvonne, Mao, and theirs are asserting by blaming the abuse crisis on the sexual orientation of priests, when the cause is really psychopathy in the abusers. Certainly, sociopathic, narcissistic behavior in the human population isn't limited to one persuasion or another.

And lets not mix this with the issue of sexually active gay priests who also preach from the pulpit against premarital sex and homosexuality. That is hypocritical, which may be an issue in a church leader, but hypocrisy also does not mean someone is then an abuser.

@ Yvonne - who here is arguing to keep the abuse silent? It's the Catholic church leadership -- conservatives and liberals -heterosexuals and homosexuals -- who have over DECADES - both pre and post Vatican 2- been the ones trying to keep a lid on all the abuse, and protecting psychopathic behavior.


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