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Amazing how liberals here...


Amazing how zealots everywhere do not, can not, nor will not see the forest through the trees.

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No one is pretending the abuse isn't happening. Only the church has been ignoring that...to the tune of billions of dollars and massive exodus.

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Everyone on here needs to just stop responding to her. She is absolutely ridiculous but you can't reason with ridiculous people.

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blah blah blah LIBERALS, blah blah blah gays are pedophiles.
You are ridiculous.


Of course cover it up and pretend sex abuse by some gay men does not happen at an alarming rate. This is no different than the Jim Crow area when some people physically abused black people. Their neighbors saw what was going on, but they said nothing. It probably bothered them but their silence added tot he problem. This problem is not just exclusive to the Catholic Church, rapes has increased in the military since don't ask don't tell has become history, and then there are the child actors who are passed around like candy. The people who are quiet on this subject are contributing indirectly to the problem.

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Everyone on here needs to just stop responding to her. She is absolutely ridiculous but you can't reason with ridiculous people.

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blah blah blah LIBERALS, blah blah blah gays are pedophiles.
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I hope to god Yvonne runs for office again someday. Each and every quote here should be put into an attack ad and mailed out to the entire city.


The truth bothers you nicky, it is time that the gay community accepts responsibility of sex abuse in the church and elsewhere. The issue of being a victim does not cut it when some gays are the ones doing the abusing. Where is the responsiblity?
Where is the gay community calling out people who commits these crimes? CBS just fired someone for sexual harassment. Screaming at me does not cut it.

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Well, the gates of Hell shall not prevail....Hard to believe these days but then there are green shoots. https://www.conceptionabbey.org/monastery/live/
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I hope to god Yvonne runs for office again someday. Each and every quote here should be put into an attack ad and mailed out to the entire city.

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There is no doubt that there is a tremendous gay sub-culture within the catholic priesthood.

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blah blah blah LIBERALS, blah blah blah gays are pedophiles.
You are ridiculous.

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Amazing how liberals here find stories to pretend the majority of the victims are not males. What did the John Jay report say? Around 85% were males which means around 15% are not males. However, the men who are raped in the seminary are 100% male. Since the 2002 Dallas conference by the American bishops, the number of teens who are molested is down, but the number of seminarians who are molested, are way up. The Dallas Charter was about children and these sexual predator gay men focused instead on adult men in the seminary.

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Yvonne -
Unlike the fringe site Churchmilitant.com youve linked to previously, Military.com is an actual news site reporting stories about the military.

But you do realize in the Military.com article you just provided, neither the headline ( "Military Chaplain Blames 'Effeminate' Gay Priests for Church Abuse Scandals"), nor the sources in the story are complimentary to this chaplain or saying he is credible?

Seems Military.com found the story newsworthy not because it agrees with the priest, but because his statements are so over the top so that becomes newsworthy.

nice try lol, but again you miss the mark

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Is Military.com a fringe group? A priest in the military is saying the same thing.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/20 ... tml#.W5gfwT5Re6E.facebook

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A NY priest says the problem is a homosexual sub-culture:
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/ar ... ex-abuse-to-homosexuality


How can you not comprehend that the requirement of celibacy ATTRACTS men to the priesthood who feel their desires must be suppressed, whether they be for other men or for children. You're filtering for people who are already unbalanced and unhappy. Mentally healthy adults do not prey on children, be they gay or straight.

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All of Yvonne’s sources are fringe ultra conservative Catholic sites. Churchmilitant.com is like the Breitbart or Gateway Pundit of Catholicism

These are rabid pre-Vatican 2 Catholics who have a clear cut agenda to use this crisis to oust mainstream leaders and bring the church back to the pre 1960s. Yvonne conveniently acts like abuse wasn’t happening as well in the decades before Vatican 2, when in reality it certainly was.


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And a psychologist hired by the church says the problem is the church accepting psychopaths into the priests, regardless of the sexual preference.

Who do I believe? Not a priest.

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A NY priest says the problem is a homosexual sub-culture:
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/ar ... ex-abuse-to-homosexuality

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I'm beginning to think the Church ought to ban men from the priesthood.

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Another letter about the rampant sex activity by homosexuals by a former seminarian.
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/ar ... r-to-the-canadian-bishops

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Transparency is a relatively new phenomena. Until recently, most institutions, including government, schools, politics, corporations were immune from transparency and scrutiny. Consequently, many people have suffered. The additional focus on the Catholic Church is a result of it's unique global reach and belief that religious organizations were better behaved and beyond human flaw. That in conjunction with the Church's role in disbursing judgment and penance cultivated a sense of anger.

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Without the "benefit" of a Roman Catholic upbringing, particularly in ethnically traditional parishes where God's law is paramount and the salvation of your eternal soul is one's only focus, it will be difficult for the "regular guy" to fully understand how profound and omnipotent the church's power was/is in the day-to-day life of a pious parishioner.

You just didn't talk about scandal anyway, much less anything that was going on in the church. You'd never be believed - not by your parish leaders, not by your elders, not by the police, et al. Priests in my day held the ultimate power and judgment in one's life - particularly in our blue collar neighborhood. They could, and did, get away with everything. That's pretty heady stuff that gets passed down, priestly generation to priestly generation.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely - and here we are in 2018.

The numbers of victims (children, adolescents, men, women, fellow priests/nuns) are ridiculously under-reported. This has been going on forever.

Funny, my little guy and I were just studying the history of the system of Catholic pardons/indulgences and how that catapulted reformation efforts centuries ago.

It's time for a new kind of reformation.


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According to the Pennsylvania report, priest abuse of grown women even higher rate than children.
- https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-cath ... -grown-women-too?ref=home

And ultra-conservative element in Catholic church using this as excuse to bring down Pope Francis, when abuse has been rampant as well during conservative Pope Benedict's term, and readily evident and covered up in conservative dioceses too.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-plot ... own-pope-francis?ref=home



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"Still, it was only a small minority who were true pedophiles . . . ."

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“I said to one of them, ‘Why didn’t you just use a condom?’ And he said, ‘Because birth control is against the law of the church.’ ”


I totally missed that gem. Thanks for quoting.

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Not gay, not straight...just glib callous psychopaths. Weed out the psychopaths first.

“You can’t treat heterosexuality,” he said. “You can’t treat homosexuality. You can’t treat pedophilia.” You can make them aware of the damage they are causing, but psychopaths are incredibly hard to treat. They honestly believe a 5-year-old is in love with them.

“It was a surprise for me to see how many psychopaths I met in the priesthood,” Dr. Lothstein said. “Glib, callous, could say anything to you and be charming.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/10/us/10beliefs.html



"...And as the therapists continue to discover, no therapeutic technique can heal a church of all its pathology. “And I treated half a dozen priests who fathered children,” Dr. Lothstein said. “I treated priests who had two children. I treated priests who got women pregnant and got them abortions.

“I said to one of them, ‘Why didn’t you just use a condom?’ And he said, ‘Because birth control is against the law of the church.’ ”

(Excellent article - thank you for sharing.)

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Not gay, not straight...just glib callous psychopaths. Weed out the psychopaths first.

“You can’t treat heterosexuality,” he said. “You can’t treat homosexuality. You can’t treat pedophilia.” You can make them aware of the damage they are causing, but psychopaths are incredibly hard to treat. They honestly believe a 5-year-old is in love with them.

“It was a surprise for me to see how many psychopaths I met in the priesthood,” Dr. Lothstein said. “Glib, callous, could say anything to you and be charming.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/10/us/10beliefs.html

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It is these psychologists that treat these priests and say they are cured. You know what happens,? These cured priests re-offend again. The church has been paying big bucks to victims and their only excuse is - well the pyschologists said they are cured.

It is the reason why gay men cannot enter the seminary, unfortunately, this rule is not followed, the last I read the Church has paid out $4 billion. I will take the word over people who see what is going on the church, not the word of psychologists. The Catholic Church is the gravy train for these psychologists.

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It was not consent if rape was involved. Yes, men in the seminary were raped and some committed suicide. Father Paul John Kalchik was raped as a child of 7 by a neighbor and again by a priest while in seminary. He left seminary but returned many years later because it is his calling.
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/ar ... ests-plea-to-pope-francis

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