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Money should be spent for important things, honesty in government is an important thing, psyop.


I agree, on important things. This is not that.


So truth is not important?

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Councilman Vazquez pushed for this monument to shore up the Polish vote in Hamilton Park and Paulus Hook. Personally, monuments should be about events in America, not another country.


So when I pass by the Joan of Arc statue in Riverside Park in NYC, I guess I should have viewed it with disdain because "not Murica"? WW1 was not "an event in America", and WW2, aside from Pearl Harbor, was also not. This may shock you but the world is a big place and what happens elsewhere impacts us here.

Also, curious if your rule also applies to art galleries and museums. Should they also exclusively include art and historical artifacts exclusively from the US?

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Money should be spent for important things, honesty in government is an important thing, psyop.


I agree, on important things. This is not that.

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You have been silent on the spending increases under Fulop. Healy last budget was $485 million, this budget is really close to $600 million, in fact in 2017, the city actually took in $617 million in actual dollars. Money should be spent for important things, honesty in government is an important thing, psyop.

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It just shows how corrupt the system is, there is no third party watching those petitions being counted. I personally checked every petition I handed in against the voter's list. I am referring to the petitions I personally gathered.


So again as others have stated, who would pay for this? If you say the city you are a hypocrite.

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It just shows how corrupt the system is, there is no third party watching those petitions being counted. I personally checked every petition I handed in against the voter's list. I am referring to the petitions I personally gathered.

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None of this change the fact that a third independent party should be checking these signatures.

You only want a recheck because you lost. Badly. That is not a valid justification.

It's a done deal. Enjoy the statue's new location.

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How do you know they were incorrect, nicky? You want a third world mentality where the same people who are for the removal of the monument are also working for the people who wants this removal.


As has been stated, what's stopping you from hiring your own independent auditor for this public information? You complain about city spending all the time, but you want taxes to pay for third party auditors for all your nonsense petitions?

The city clerk was looking over the signatures with all the people in the room. Just admit you lied and submitted fraudulent petitions.

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I didn’t know she was part of the Hague machine.

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Funny how Yvonne never called for independent verification in response to GOP led voter purges.

Actually it's not funny. It's disgusting.

But we now know that Yvonne was a participant in one of the most widespread election frauds in a county known for them.

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How do you know they were incorrect, nicky? You want a third world mentality where the same people who are for the removal of the monument are also working for the people who wants this removal.


So, are you saying that both Bill Clinton and Dennis Rodman signed your petition? And, are you also claiming they both live in JC? Because both of those must be true in order for the signatures to be considered valid.

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How do you know they were incorrect, nicky? You want a third world mentality where the same people who are for the removal of the monument are also working for the people who wants this removal.

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If these so called signatures were personally gathered and delivered by Yvonne and were deemed fake or fraudulent, wouldn't that open up Yvonne to fraud charges?


Silly, it's her responsibility if someone wrote incorrect information on a petition?

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None of this change the fact that a third independent party should be checking these signatures.

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If these so called signatures were personally gathered and delivered by Yvonne and were deemed fake or fraudulent, wouldn't that open up Yvonne to fraud charges?

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The petitions should have been checked by a third party independent of city government.


The petitions and voter info is all public info so you can check them.

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The petitions should have been checked by a third party independent of city government.


Actually, that is the opposite that I am asking, the people who check these petitions have their paychecks signed by the mayor. And the mayor wants the statue moved. It is the reason a third party to should check the petitions.

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Hahaha, Yvonne doesn't want to admit she submitted fraudulent petitions.

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The petitions should have been checked by a third party independent of city government.


You ONLY say that because the vote isn't what you want it to be, otherwise you wouldn't give a shit.

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The petitions should have been checked by a third party independent of city government.

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Polish statue petition drive fails initial round...

(While I respect the petitioners right to participate in this process, wasting the time of the city with so many bogus signatures erodes their credibility quite significantly IMHO)

(Excerpt) . Petitioners, who need signatures from 6,714 valid Jersey City voters, submitted 3,833 valid signatures out of the 9,471 total they delivered on July 3, according to Byrne.

About 60 percent of the people whose signatures were submitted to the clerk were either not found in the state's voter database or are not registered to vote in Jersey City, according to a July 23 letter Byrne sent to the petitioners. One of the petitions purports to have the signatures of Bill Clinton and Dennis Rodman.


BWA HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Way to go, Yvonne!!

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Polish statue petition drive fails initial round...

(While I respect the petitioners right to participate in this process, wasting the time of the city with so many bogus signatures erodes their credibility quite significantly IMHO)

(Excerpt) . Petitioners, who need signatures from 6,714 valid Jersey City voters, submitted 3,833 valid signatures out of the 9,471 total they delivered on July 3, according to Byrne.

About 60 percent of the people whose signatures were submitted to the clerk were either not found in the state's voter database or are not registered to vote in Jersey City, according to a July 23 letter Byrne sent to the petitioners. One of the petitions purports to have the signatures of Bill Clinton and Dennis Rodman.

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I agree with other posts, just ignore Yvonne. This person is obviously senile. The only motivation is to oppose Fulop, regardless of the issue. Ignore and maybe she goes away.

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I created a video on JC history when the city did not recognize its history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmI-9_YMixI&t=14s

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I’ll take down the statue myself if it means I will no longer have to read drivel like this.
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Having visited Krakow and Warsaw once each, one of the most striking things during my visit was the massive amount of swastikas littered throughout each city. Some old, some new, it was crazy seeing people casually walking by them. Then you go to Auschwitz/Birkenau or Majdanek and there is a town literally right up until the Camp gates (and yes- those towns were there during WWII).


I apologise if my first-hand experience upsets you as it certainly upset me experiencing it, but I am not sure why you consider it drivel? Did you have a different experience in Poland recently? I would love to hear what I saw is no longer the case there now.

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I’ll take down the statue myself if it means I will no longer have to read drivel like this.
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Having visited Krakow and Warsaw once each, one of the most striking things during my visit was the massive amount of swastikas littered throughout each city. Some old, some new, it was crazy seeing people casually walking by them. Then you go to Auschwitz/Birkenau or Majdanek and there is a town literally right up until the Camp gates (and yes- those towns were there during WWII).

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It's hilarious watching people throw global historical facts at Yvonne and *every single time* she responds with some decades-old provincial local bullshit that nobody cares about. Yvonne's world doesn't extend past whatever Jersey City's borders were in 1972. Stop rewarding her with responses, even if it's high entertainment.

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Actually, when I canvass for signature, the public already knows the issue. For those who don't I show them the ordinance which is attached...


Fair enough Yvonne, I can’t argue with that, but I’d like to hear more about the 350 year anniversary celebration that never happened. Who messed that up? It must be an interesting story.

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Having visited Krakow and Warsaw once each, one of the most striking things during my visit was the massive amount of swastikas littered throughout each city. Some old, some new, it was crazy seeing people casually walking by them. Then you go to Auschwitz/Birkenau or Majdanek and there is a town literally right up until the Camp gates (and yes- those towns were there during WWII).

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History and creating historical district designation are different. I was the leading person in the 1970s asking to make Van Vorst Park a historical designation and I regret it. Homeowners who lived there for a long time, lost their homes. People come before homes, plain and simple. But that is separate from protecting JC's history. For the record, I pushed for historical designation, along with my husband, aided with the late Joe Duffy and the late J. Owen Grundy. We did this because Colgate was not a good neighbor, they would buy properties for the sole purpose of knocking them down. They just destroyed brownstones for no reason. It is the reason, Paulus Hook has newer housing than other parts of downtown, Colgate destroyed history.

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