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Now that this is happening - what will happen to Downtown JC, or JC as a whole, as far as property taxes?


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Now that this is happening - what will happen to Downtown JC, or JC as a whole, as far as property taxes?

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Jersey City payroll tax waiting for gov's signature

The proposed Jersey City payroll tax awaits Gov. Phil Murphy's signature, but it's unclear whether it will become law.

The plan, which would allow for a maximum 1 percent tax on a Jersey City business' total payroll, was dreamed up as a way to offset potential cuts in state aid to the city's public school district. Those cuts are part of a school funding formula bill proposed by Democratic state Sen. President Stephen Sweeney and also awaiting Murphy's pen.

https://www.nj.com/jjournal-news/index ... y_payroll_tax_waitin.html



And Amazon is considering Newark for HQ2? haha.

I'm pretty sure we're screwed either way. tax and spend.

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Jersey City payroll tax waiting for gov's signature

The proposed Jersey City payroll tax awaits Gov. Phil Murphy's signature, but it's unclear whether it will become law.

The plan, which would allow for a maximum 1 percent tax on a Jersey City business' total payroll, was dreamed up as a way to offset potential cuts in state aid to the city's public school district. Those cuts are part of a school funding formula bill proposed by Democratic state Sen. President Stephen Sweeney and also awaiting Murphy's pen.

https://www.nj.com/jjournal-news/index ... y_payroll_tax_waitin.html


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Interesting story on what percentage of your income funds your local schools. 5% is the state average, JC comes in at 2.9%. By comparison, Millburn is 5.9% (and it has the highest median income in the state, so that's a big number).

Mendham Township and Boro are 7.3 and 7.0%.

Just another example of how undertaxed JC is.

http://www.nj.com/data/2018/06/school ... up.html#incart_most-read_

Compare Jersey City with Bayonne.

JC family income is $60,703-2.9%
Bayonne income is $54,872-7.8%

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Big Brother Bezos is watching.

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Jersey City biz groups criticize plan for payroll tax

 A plan to implement a payroll tax in Jersey City has alarmed business owners and industry groups who say it would limit Jersey City's competitiveness and aggravate an already inhospitable tax environment.

The plan, which is moving swiftly through the state Legislature, would allow the city to impose a 1 percent tax on a business' payroll, with potential exceptions for the wages of city residents. Proposed as a way to fund Jersey City's public-school district, it was approved on a party-line vote by a state Senate committee on Monday.

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Gov Christie decreased the municipal appropriations budget cap to 2.5%. and a 2% tax levy cap. There are similar limits for county government and the amount of outstanding debt.

There's some limited exceptions/wiggle-room to the spending/tax cap for COLA and cap banking up to 3 years.

Before Christie, IIRC, it was McGreevy @ 4%, then 7% prior, etc. with the caps were first enacted in 1977.


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Murphy wants to raise taxes $1.4 billion, and it's not enough for hero69??

Maybe look into ways to cut spending, we sure don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.
if there was so much fat to be cut, why didn't Christie cut it? are you saying Christie was a failure?


Christie couldn't even cut his own fat. How was he expected to cut the fat from others. As has been mentioned, he did slow the rate of growth, which was out of control when first elected.


He cut the rate increase in half, over 8 years vs the 4 of Corzine. It would've looked even better had Corzine had a second term to keep upping the number. A person with a $10,000 tax bill would have seen it grow to $13,791 under 8 years of Corzine vs $11,716 under 8 years of Christie.

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Murphy wants to raise taxes $1.4 billion, and it's not enough for hero69??

Maybe look into ways to cut spending, we sure don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.
if there was so much fat to be cut, why didn't Christie cut it? are you saying Christie was a failure?


Christie couldn't even cut his own fat. How was he expected to cut the fat from others. As has been mentioned, he did slow the rate of growth, which was out of control when first elected.

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Murphy wants to raise taxes $1.4 billion, and it's not enough for hero69??

Maybe look into ways to cut spending, we sure don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.
if there was so much fat to be cut, why didn't Christie cut it? are you saying Christie was a failure?


Christie's biggest accomplishment was dramatically slowing the rate of increase of municipal taxes compared to Corzine (and other previous Governors).
Cutting spending with a 'tax and spend' Democratic Legislature was not really going to happen.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pol ... perty-taxes-20171025.html

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Murphy wants to raise taxes $1.4 billion, and it's not enough for hero69??

Maybe look into ways to cut spending, we sure don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.
if there was so much fat to be cut, why didn't Christie cut it? are you saying Christie was a failure?

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why isn't nj actively thinking about increasing gas, cigarette and alcohol taxes. What about revenue from legalized marijuana.

so far, i have been UNDERWHELMED by Sweeney...the guys seems to be lacking although he is a vast improvement over that last clown.


You do know Murphy, not Sweeney, is the Governor, right?
yes, I meant murphy or whoever the governor is...lol

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Yeah.. think I will stick with tomatoes and basil. I have to re-design the drainage system and improve the insulation. That is on hold due to new baby expenses followed by the fact the wife is tired of our "temporary" (for the past 14 years) kitchen.


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If a payroll tax is imposed it should be across the board.

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Hudson County at its corrupt best. JC municipal workers and JC residents working in JC will skate on the 1% payroll tax.

That's going to piss off the bi-partisan bloc now pissed off about school money distribution.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... ity_payroll_tax_bill.html

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Anyone with a closet and a grow lamp can grow cannabis.


Or an elaborate hydroponic greenhouse on their roof?


Yeah.. think I will stick with tomatoes and basil. I have to re-design the drainage system and improve the insulation. That is on hold due to new baby expenses followed by the fact the wife is tired of our "temporary" (for the past 14 years) kitchen.

Hopefully next year I'll have it back up and running.

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Murphy wants to raise taxes $1.4 billion, and it's not enough for hero69??

Maybe look into ways to cut spending, we sure don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.

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why isn't nj actively thinking about increasing gas, cigarette and alcohol taxes. What about revenue from legalized marijuana.


We already increased the gas tax significantly.

When you raise the sin taxes too high, people just buy off of the black market. This already happened with cigarettes. It will happen with marijuana when the state tries to charge confiscatory taxes for the product. People will just go buy from the black market. Anyone with a closet and a grow lamp can grow cannabis.

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why isn't nj actively thinking about increasing gas, cigarette and alcohol taxes. What about revenue from legalized marijuana.

so far, i have been UNDERWHELMED by Sweeney...the guys seems to be lacking although he is a vast improvement over that last clown.


You do know Murphy, not Sweeney, is the Governor, right?

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why isn't nj actively thinking about increasing gas, cigarette and alcohol taxes. What about revenue from legalized marijuana.

so far, i have been UNDERWHELMED by Sweeney...the guys seems to be lacking although he is a vast improvement over that last clown.

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Untrue. People working here but living outside JC could choose to work elsewhere. Or they could move to JC. They do have choices. They may not like them, but they have them.

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You missed the point I was trying to make. I was not referring to a payroll tax, but to the school funding provided by the state from the funds paid by other municipalities.

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JC's local fair share number is actually artificially low, because PILOT properties don't count towards the tax base-if they were, JC's local fair share would be 75 million higher.

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I guess those vaunted NJ suburban schools failed you. Again, the subject is Sweeney.

Go over to the Abbot thread and rub yourself blind.


Hahah someone is mad the rest of the state woke up to the raw deal they were getting, and is scared of the next round of tax hikes that are inevitable.

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Doesn't it smack you of "taxation without representation?"

No more so than if I went into NY and had to pay higher sales tax. I don't get a say. There's a pretty good argument for this merely from a macro POV, these employees drive JC roads and benefit from JC 1st responder services, etc without paying anything to this city. I've heard this argument defending NYC's tax. It makes a lot of sense for a city with a big non-resident commuter population, unlike many sprawling smaller cities in this country that include much of the nearby suburbs in their borders.

Sure you can argue their employers pay property tax or PILOTS, and they spend money here, but that's not nearly as much as if they lived here.

That said, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the city exempts nonresident city employees.


I dont think the sales tax analogy is an apt one: you can *choose* not to shop in NYC and instead take your money elsewhere. And, that's exactly the point: non JC residents lack that choice when it comes to their money and its "transfer" to the city's coffers.

The situation about over-aid of the local BOE is a tricky one, and I don't pretend for a second to have a solution. But, I do know this situation is untenable for much longer. In the eyes of other municipalities, we are getting a sweet deal by assuming a tiny portion of our local BOE, assessing a paltry 0.4% for our schools, and yet refusing to find ways to streamline operations, or cut back, but smugly accepting their money to enable the situation while claiming poverty. Clearly, this is now a hot button issue, and I very much doubt it will go away. The reval simply exposed what many had suspected, and now a day of reckoning may be upon us.


This board just closed a $75 million gap. Board members also want a forensic audit to get rid of more waste.

I'd like to see other districts make those choices before demanding redistribution. Particularly in K-8 micro districts where you have a superintendent earning six figures to oversee three schools.

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I guess those vaunted NJ suburban schools failed you. Again, the subject is Sweeney.

Go over to the Abbot thread and rub yourself blind.


Virtually identical legislation was proposed earlier in May by Sandra Cunningham and Brian Stack, Sweeney then got on board. 200 million in local fair share is the number JC can afford to pay and doesn't want to is the issue.

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I guess those vaunted NJ suburban schools failed you. Again, the subject is Sweeney.

Go over to the Abbot thread and rub yourself blind.

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Brewster, 80,000 people commute to work in JC every day? Care to cite something to show this??


Top right graph
http://www.nj.gov/labor/lpa/content/C ... 0Population%20Poster3.pdf


On the general point, I've already said many time I think the BOA is overspending. But the situation is unfixable in the short term, we're dealing with extremely powerful unions and entrenched interests. Look at the teachers contract, they tried to reduce costs by freezing wages and asking for healthcare contribution, since actual wage reduction was out of the realm of possibility. JC teachers are paid in the 94th percentile of big districts in NJ and therefore are basically the best paid in the nation http://www.nj.gov/cgi-bin/education/c ... dist_code2390&maxhits=650, but the teachers got hysterical and struck. Labor is where the money is, and good luck with that.

Here's the proposed budget, tell us where to cut and how.

http://www.jcboe.org/boe2015/images/p ... et-SY2018-19_03.28.18.pdf

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It is unfair that suburban districts pay money to Jersey City for our schools. We have plenty of money here. That needs to change. Newark has plenty of money too. The Abbot program should end.

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