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Re: A lot more people in N.J. will be registered to vote soon.
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If that was the case, nothing was aright, since violating them was part and parcel of government form the first day of the republic.

Speech? Assembly? Religion?

All routinely violated from the beginning. That does not make them any less of a right. Nor is that indicative that voting is not a right of citizenship.

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The history of the franchise is an interesting historical note, but has nothing to do with the present day,

Women were given their right to vote less than 100 years ago. Should we think of that as a privilege too?

Taking the right away from felons who have completed their sentences is a stain on our devotion to liberty. Why should people have to demand their rights back?


Here is the point, it was never defined as a right, which is the point I am making. By the way, communities in the west did allow women to vote. Later, the states allowed this as a referendum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado ... n%27s_suffrage_referendum,_1893

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I remember back in the day when Cubans the Dutch came to Hudson County.


Fixed it for you.

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The history of the franchise is an interesting historical note, but has nothing to do with the present day,

Women were given their right to vote less than 100 years ago. Should we think of that as a privilege too?

Taking the right away from felons who have completed their sentences is a stain on our devotion to liberty. Why should people have to demand their rights back?

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The reason voting is considered a privilege stems from the early days of governments or the spending of money. We tend to think that this privilege was denied to black but actually it was also denied to white men without land. Land was taxed and the majority of landowners had to say 'yes' they are willing to spend a certain amount of money to build a school, bridge or water tower. Let's contrast that with the fact nearly everyone is eligible to vote today but not everyone will pay taxes on questions on spending on the state level or the one percent tax for the open space. Public housing pays nothing due to the agreement with the city to deduct water and other utilities. After those are paid, the city gets nothing. Others are in rent control buildings and those increase are not subject to a tax question, then other are in buildings with firm tax abatements agreements. So the opposite has happened. People can vote yes on a question and raise the neighbors' taxes.

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While it's true that there are a number of circumstances in which American citizens cannot vote (under 18, didn't register X days before an election, are a convicted felon), no less than five amendments to the Constitution speak explicitly of the right to vote: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote [] shall not be denied or abridged..."
I would submit this demonstrates that voting is indeed considered a right in this country, albeit qualified by eligibility requirements decided by each state in the absence of constitutional definition

Speaking philosophically, in a country where suffrage is not considered a right but a privilege-- a country whose citizens do not possess a fundamental right to exercise their power to elect representatives to represent themselves to the government-- can that country truly be considered a democracy? (I mean, for all the ancient Greeks are considered the originators of democracy despite not letting slaves and women vote, that's because they said slaves and women weren't actually citizens... and nobody denies noncitizens don't get to vote)

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Dr. Nick, I will give you this one, I should have said president.

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People in prison do not lose their rights as American citizens. But they do lose privileges. They lose the privilege of voting and participating in some businesses that require licenses. The 15th amendment was passed after slavery which gave former slaves the privilege of voting. Returning to the issue of voting, only American born citizens can run for office pass the age of 35. If it was a right then naturalize citizens regardless of the age would be eligible.


Naturalized citizens can and do run for office: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ ... United_States_politicians

Keep repeating your lies though, there seem to be a few on this board stupid enough to listen to you.

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People in prison do not lose their rights as American citizens. But they do lose privileges. They lose the privilege of voting and participating in some businesses that require licenses. The 15th amendment was passed after slavery which gave former slaves the privilege of voting. Returning to the issue of voting, only American born citizens can run for office pass the age of 35. If it was a right then naturalize citizens regardless of the age would be eligible.

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Voting is not a fundamental right, it is a privilege similar to a driver's license. It is time civics are taught in school again.


No, it's a right. Read the Constitution. It was "privilege" when only white, land owning males were allowed to vote. A citizen is not entitled to drive but is entitled to vote. Figures Yvonne would be against it, more voters means her and her nimby minions can't game elections anymore to keep their preferred community leaders in power.

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So what's the 15th Amendment about?

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Voting is not a fundamental right, it is a privilege similar to a driver's license. It is time civics are taught in school again.

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Does it mean non-citizens will able to vote?


No. It means that people who are eligible to vote will be automatically registered (or their registration will be updated).

Under the current system, people are asked whether they would like to be registered to vote when they apply for/renew their driver's license. Under the new system, people will be asked whether they would *not* like to be registered to vote when they apply for/renew their driver's licenses.

It's not a huge change - just switching the default from opt-in to opt-out. And making no changes at all to the underlying eligibility requirements. But behavioral economics shows us that defaults matter, so the likely result is more [legally] registered voters, which is a good thing.

The right to vote is a fundamental right in the US, and making it easy (or easier) for people to exercise that right is a worthy goal, regardless of political affiliation.

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I remember back in the day when Cubans came to Hudson County. The politicians had to check the box as citizens because they would pass as Puerto Ricans who are citizens.

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That means there will be a question on the driver's license application asking people if they are a legal U.S. citizen.

Oh the horror!

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Does it mean non-citizens will able to vote?

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That has been that Partys plan for a long time. Give them freebies and collect their vote.

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By Matt Arco marco@njadvancemedia.com,
NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

There's about to be a lot more registered voters in the state of New Jersey, which already has 5.8 million people on its rolls.

Gov. Phil Murphy said Monday he will sign into law a bill that would automatically register people to vote if they apply for a driver's license or non-driver ID card in the Garden State. Murphy, a Democrat, said in a tweet that he will sign the legislation on Tuesday.

NJVote

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