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Hopefully, the people who are getting tax relief will want to share their perspective.


But most of them haven't gotten their letter! Bad choice from a PR standpoint, but that's just consistent with this whole debacle.

It's amazing that after all this time Yvonne either still doesn't understand what a reval is or cynically chooses to ignore it in favor of her disinformation campaign. People want to blame Fulop, but he's been in office 4 years and she's been spreading these lies to anyone who will listen for 30. She's at least one reason every mayor shied away from this.

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Kudos to Terrence for getting the whole story, unlike some of the broadcast media starting to cover this by just hearing the sob stories.

Indeed. The linked story is still heavy on the losers, but it is good to see a bit of balance.

Hopefully, the people who are getting tax relief will want to share their perspective.

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Free Ride, Dolomiti happened when the Fulop Administration gave Salem Lafayette another 30 years on their tax abatement....

Spare us your anti-abatement jeremiad. It's irrelevant.

The problem is that JC went THIRTY YEARS without revaluing properties, while property values changed dramatically. THAT is why people paid more than their fair share for decades, while others reaped an unfair benefit. If there wasn't a single abated property in JC, we'd be in this exact same place right now.

Your callous attitude towards the Jersey City residents who overpaid their taxes; your exacerbation of this problem; trying to shift to blame to suit your own agenda... That's unacceptable and inexcusable.

Your buddies got a sweet deal for decades. Fun time is over. They don't deserve a single iota of sympathy for the new tax rate. At this point, they should be glad they don't have to pay back taxes after decades of underpayment.

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So attorney Mark Steier is going to sue the city, that will clearly help keep taxes down for everyone.

Pay what you owe and stop complaining, vile lawyer.

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Kudos to Terrence for getting the whole story, unlike some of the broadcast media starting to cover this by just hearing the sob stories.

What I can't figure is why they're releasing DT before other areas, it hurts their credibility. So far only 1/4 of the properties have seen cuts according to the spreadsheet. Perhaps they're just trying to get a jump on the appeals.

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Free Ride, Dolomiti happened when the Fulop Administration gave Salem Lafayette another 30 years on their tax abatement bringing their total tax abatement to 66 years, a similar deal was given to properties own by a church on Bergen Avenue involving 4 different buildings. Taxes are services, so it is OK for long term homeowners to be thrown in the streets but we must protect the voter base aka the Democratic base for affordable housing voters.

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My former neighbor was not able to rent out her basement since Irene and Sandy. She received only $1,000 from Fema while her basement took a hit of $20,000 to $30,000. Now she has a $35,000 tax bill. I am sure she is not unique with the loss of potential income from basement.

Another sob story, about someone who got a free ride on their taxes for a decade. Pass.

Why don't you find some of the people who are getting lower taxes because of the reval? The owner of 367 First Street will pay about $23,000 less in property taxes. I guess that just doesn't count, huh? They should just keep going on paying tens of thousands of dollars every year, so that one of your buddies gets a tax break? Great system you have there.

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My former neighbor was not able to rent out her basement since Irene and Sandy. She received only $1,000 from Fema while her basement took a hit of $20,000 to $30,000. Now she has a $35,000 tax bill. I am sure she is not unique with the loss of potential income from basement.

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Just seeing this on NextDoor. Senior Freeze Program. I wouldn't qualify, but it could help some seniors who have all this equity, but refuse to tap into it.

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If they haven't assessed the entire city yet, how are they figuring these numbers? Are the new rates estimates until the entire city is complete?

I'm guessing after a certain initial (hopefully high) percentage were visited in person they were able to extrapolate some numbers just based on recent sales and comps. Unless square footage and the number of bed/bath are wildly off, they probably had enough data to do some preliminary number crunching.

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If they haven't assessed the entire city yet, how are they figuring these numbers? Are the new rates estimates until the entire city is complete?

Are they assuming the value of the yet-to-be assessed?

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Fox5 NY did a piece yesterday Feb 12th on the JC tax reval:

Property taxes skyrocket for some Jersey City residents

...and still basically no discussion of the people who got a tax cut.

The 74 year old woman whose taxes are going up to $20k a year is probably living in a home worth $1.2 million.

The other woman who is looking at a $41k tax bill is probably sitting on a $2.5 million home.

Both of these people have spent years (if not decades) underpaying their taxes, while their property values should have gone through the roof.

Both of these people have a ton of equity in their homes, which they can draw on. E.g. if Ms Rennar bought her home for $500,000 and it's now worth $2.5m, the equity she's gained could pay that $41k for at least 40 years.

Both of these people should have seen gradual increases in their taxes over the years, and got socked all at once because politician after politician refused to adjust property taxes on a timely basis.

While I fully support the city providing services to help property owners deal with the increased payments (especially for elderly residents), they have had YEARS of underpaying their taxes, while other JC residents have overpaid to cover for them. They will get no sympathy from me.

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Looks like an excel file was posted by the assessment company:
http://www.asinj.com/revaluation/docs ... oposed%20Assessments.xlsx

It has over 13,000 properties listed so far... Any idea what the total number should be around once it is all said and done?

My understanding is there are more than 114,000 housing units in JC. I have no idea of the number of commercial units.

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Sure is taking them a while to post Ogden Ave LOL. Unless I missed it.


Lots of Heights blocks still missing from the spreadsheet.

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Looks like an excel file was posted by the assessment company:
http://www.asinj.com/revaluation/docs ... oposed%20Assessments.xlsx

It has over 13,000 properties listed so far... Any idea what the total number should be around once it is all said and done?


Sure is taking them a while to post Ogden Ave LOL. Unless I missed it.


This looks like the same spread sheet that was posted earlier.


No, Biggoron converted the PDF to xls, and the PDF had fewer listings.

I love the xls, great for analyzing the data, but I reckon most homeowners, at least the ones that post on these forums, don't know how to use a spreadsheet. Too bad the appraisal company doesn't offer PDF and xls formats.

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By: ARTHUR CHI'EN
POSTED: FEB 12 2018 09:53PM EST

VIDEO POSTED: FEB 12 2018 10:42PM EST

UPDATED: FEB 13 2018 08:10AM EST

NEW JERSEY (FOX5NY.COM) - Municipal officials in Jersey City, New Jersey, haven't taken a look at property values in 30 years. It means some have been paying more in taxes than they should and others have been paying less. And trying to fix the problem has created another mess.

Dolores Renner, a resident of 74 years, is so afraid for her future that she was speechless. She learned that her taxes



are doubling to more than $20,000 a year. She said she can't pay that much and now worries

watch video here


They got the spelling of the last name wrong, correct spelling is Rennar.

Her property is -
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-Acreage .0574 - 25' x 100' which is large.

I have no idea what her financial situation is, but she owns a 3 family house downtown...



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Looks like an excel file was posted by the assessment company:
http://www.asinj.com/revaluation/docs ... oposed%20Assessments.xlsx

It has over 13,000 properties listed so far... Any idea what the total number should be around once it is all said and done?


Sure is taking them a while to post Ogden Ave LOL. Unless I missed it.


This looks like the same spread sheet that was posted earlier.

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By: ARTHUR CHI'EN
POSTED: FEB 12 2018 09:53PM EST

VIDEO POSTED: FEB 12 2018 10:42PM EST

UPDATED: FEB 13 2018 08:10AM EST

NEW JERSEY (FOX5NY.COM) - Municipal officials in Jersey City, New Jersey, haven't taken a look at property values in 30 years. It means some have been paying more in taxes than they should and others have been paying less. And trying to fix the problem has created another mess.

Dolores Renner, a resident of 74 years, is so afraid for her future that she was speechless. She learned that her taxes



are doubling to more than $20,000 a year. She said she can't pay that much and now worries

watch video here

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Looks like an excel file was posted by the assessment company:
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It has over 13,000 properties listed so far... Any idea what the total number should be around once it is all said and done?


Sure is taking them a while to post Ogden Ave LOL. Unless I missed it.

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Fox5 NY did a piece yesterday Feb 12th on the JC tax reval:

Property taxes skyrocket for some Jersey City residents

By: ARTHUR CHI'EN Posted: Feb 12 2018 09:53PM EST
Video Posted: Feb 12 2018 10:42PM EST Updated: Feb 12 2018 10:46PM EST

http://www.fox5ny.com/news/jersey-city-property-taxes


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Mayor Fulop is on Good Day NY Live now Tuesday Feb 13th 7:35 am talking about the JC reval.

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All the whining from Ward E and the properties are still under assessed based on recent sales in some cases.

(And just wait until the state shifts more of the education burden on Jersey City land owners since out Tax Rate is actually amongst the lowest in the state. It doesn't make sense that the suburbs are still subsidizing JC BOE when we literally have more million dollar condos than anyone else.)

Landlords and property owners outside of downtown are seeing big decreases in property taxes. It's about time. This should help spur investment and renovations with the new found cash flow.

To make things fair, we probably should do another reval in 5 years to account for the probable decrease in property values downtown due to the high annualized tax bill.

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Looks like an excel file was posted by the assessment company:
http://www.asinj.com/revaluation/docs ... oposed%20Assessments.xlsx

It has over 13,000 properties listed so far... Any idea what the total number should be around once it is all said and done?

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What's with Appraisal System's boundary between Harsimus Cove and the Village? Isn't the border Coles Street and not Monmouth Street?


These things are not official (at least maybe up till now?) and rather fluid. While there's been a legacy of 'Italian Village' for many years, "The Village" as an organized entity is rather new, and IIRC they originally claimed parts of HC & HP. Given the number of neighborhood names in the Heights and elsewhere that I had never heard before, I think much of this is spitballing. Ever heard anyone say they lived in "Waverly"?

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What's with Appraisal System's boundary between Harsimus Cove and the Village? Isn't the border Coles Street and not Monmouth Street?

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NJ roads are fine. They aren't pristine, they aren't perfect, but they are fine.


Guess not.


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You mean, the 5 miles on Route 22? Or Elizabeth Ave? Or McClellan? Or do you mean 2 miles on Route 78?


The sentence prior should have made that obvious.


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And yet, somehow that totally escaped my attention the last time I was there (about 6 weeks ago).


And yet it was as true this morning as when I wrote it yesterday... as I said, you must not get out often.

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I thought about this today as I was headed east on 78 I’m the express lanes, just before the airport. A cop was parked in the right lane, angled in a way to force everyone into the left. Just after him we’re seven (7!!) cars on the side of the road with blown out tires - the result of hitting a manhole sized hole probably ten to twelve inches deep.

Seriously?

You're trying to claim that one problem, on one highway, that obviously happened right before you got there, proves than an entire state's roads are crap? Yeah no.


Do you get out of town much?

Yep. Lots of hiking and cycling, all over northern and central NJ. I also drive a bit in NY State, as well as periodic trips outside NJ.


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If you did, you'd understand my experience was emblematic of a widespread problem. I drive 78 and 24 to and from Morristown three to five times a week....

I drive on the Turnpike, 280, 80 78, 287, as well as smaller roads. Almost all of my cycling is on back roads, sometimes county roads.

NJ roads are fine. They aren't pristine, they aren't perfect, but they are fine.


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You mean, the 5 miles on Route 22? Or Elizabeth Ave? Or McClellan? Or do you mean 2 miles on Route 78?


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24 around the Short Hills Mall has a series of holes you have to slalom around....

And yet, somehow that totally escaped my attention the last time I was there (about 6 weeks ago).

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Reason Foundation's 23rd Annual Highway Report:

https://reason.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... annual_highway_report.pdf

- Capital and Bridge Disbursements per State-Controlled Mile, 2015 - NJ is 50th at $919,040 (10* national average)
- Maintenance Disbursements per State-Controlled Mile - NJ is 50th at $208,736 (9* national average)
- Administrative Disbursements per State-Controlled Mile - NJ is 48th at $63,757 (6* national average)
- Percent Rural Interstate Mileage in Poor Condition - NJ is 31st at 1.8% (slightly better than national average)
- Percent Urban Interstate Mileage in Poor Condition - NJ is 47th at 9.79% (almost twice as high as national average)
- Percentage of Rural Other Principal Arterial Mileage in Poor Condition - NJ is 47th at 6.69% (5* the national average)
- Peak Hours Spent in Congestion per Auto Commuter (in hours) - NJ is 50th at 72.53 hours (2* national average)
- Percent of Bridges in Deficient Condition - NJ is 42nd at 32.17% (50% higher than national average)


On the plus side, NJ does have:

- Fatality Rate per 100 Million Vehicle-Miles - NJ is 4th at 0.75 (national average is 1.13)
- Percent of Rural Other Principal Arterials with Narrow Lanes - NJ is 1st at 0%

So, according to these numbers, NJ has the dubious position of spending far more than anywhere else, and having some of the worst condition roads. These are possibly related, as things deteriorate it costs more to maintain. Congestion will increase due to more construction. Everybody going snail's pace in the worst congestion in the nation means that fewer pedestrian collisions are resulting in deaths (being facetious).

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I thought about this today as I was headed east on 78 I’m the express lanes, just before the airport. A cop was parked in the right lane, angled in a way to force everyone into the left. Just after him we’re seven (7!!) cars on the side of the road with blown out tires - the result of hitting a manhole sized hole probably ten to twelve inches deep.

Seriously?

You're trying to claim that one problem, on one highway, that obviously happened right before you got there, proves than an entire state's roads are crap? Yeah no.


Do you get out of town much? If you did, you'd understand my experience was emblematic of a widespread problem. I drive 78 and 24 to and from Morristown three to five times a week; 78 is horrific - they fill the seams every couple of weeks and it lasts a few days. The stretch from the airport to about Hillside is unreal. 24 around the Short Hills Mall has a series of holes you have to slalom around. I got a chuckle today driving past those poor folks on the side of the road, thinking about how "fine" the roads are...

More to the point, what is with your smarmy condescension? You go from zero to asshole awfully fast.

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I thought about this today as I was headed east on 78 I’m the express lanes, just before the airport. A cop was parked in the right lane, angled in a way to force everyone into the left. Just after him we’re seven (7!!) cars on the side of the road with blown out tires - the result of hitting a manhole sized hole probably ten to twelve inches deep.

Seriously?

You're trying to claim that one problem, on one highway, that obviously happened right before you got there, proves than an entire state's roads are crap? Yeah no.

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