bodhipooh wrote:
Not sure how this matters... so, yes, they theoretically operate
24/7, but the 35 minute time span between trains in the late evening is crazy. I have seen late evening trains packed as bad as morning rush hour trains.

papadage wrote:
One of the biggest things they could do to alleviate some crowding, or at least lessen discomfort, is pass some kind of regulation that backpacks and messenger bags need to be off the shoulder in the train. When a few people with packed backpacks are in the car, it makes it difficult to get in or out, and it takes up space.

JCGuys wrote:
I've never had standing room only when boarding a train at 3am on MTA. However, there have been times I've been at 14th street at 3am and I can't even board a train because it's packed worse than a WTC-bound train departing Grove St. during rush hour.

It's true, PATH is one of the few subway systems in the world that operate 24/7, but that's because the demand is there. Show me another system that transports as many people, given the microscopic size of the system, relatively speaking.

PATH is vital to the economic health of the region and is used heavily during the overnight hours. I'm willing to venture that most systems in the world do not have the same passenger demand overnight as PATH.

papadage wrote:
One of the biggest things they could do to alleviate some crowding, or at least lessen discomfort, is pass some kind of regulation that backpacks and messenger bags need to be off the shoulder in the train.

third_street_hats wrote:
I agree that the service frequency should be increased, but even NYC subway switches to every ~20 mins between trains ~12am-5am weekdays and the same schedule on almost every line on weekends. Some lines are better than others with standard 4-6 minute intervals all the way up until 1am on weekends.

Copenhagen is a little better with 20 mins between trains 12am-6am weekdays and 7-15 minutes between trains during the same periods on weekends.

South_Sixth wrote:
When I commuted from Harsimus Cove to the WTC, in the mornings I would walk past Grove St to Exchange Place.

It is only about a 1/2 mile from Grove St to Exchange Place taking about 7 to 8 minutes

There are two train lines from Exchange Place to the WTC
During peak morning. Nwk to WTC scheduled frequency is 4 minutes. Hob to WTC is scheduled every 6 minutes
Train to WTC arrived at Exchange Place usually every 90 seconds to 3 minutes
A lot of people get off at Exchange Place making room to get on the train.
Don't have a delay on a train waiting to get to the Exchange Place platform

I always carried a ferry ticket with me in case something happened to PATH and no trains were going to the WTC.
Didn't have to wait on the ticket line before boarding a ferry.

Overall walking to Exchange Place didn't add more than a couple of minutes to my commute, and it was a more enjoyable commute. I liked the walk and don't mind the cold.

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JCGuys wrote:
Ditto. Any other transit agency in the world, you'd likely get a seat between midnight and 4am. But in PATH they run so few trains that it's standing room only, even worse than rush hour sometimes.

You do realize that PATH is one of about 10 subway lines worldwide that operate 24/7, right?

In fact, only the NYC subway, PATH and Copenhagen Metro operate their entire networks 24/7.

JCGuys wrote:
Ditto. Any other transit agency in the world, you'd likely get a seat between midnight and 4am. But in PATH they run so few trains that it's standing room only, even worse than rush hour sometimes.

val7101 wrote:
For WTC commuters shut out at Grove:
Take the Newark train back to Harrison not JSQ. JSQ is frequently as bad as Grove now and Harrison is only 3 minutes away and frequently much more civilized. It's pretty annoying to take the train backward to JSQ and still get shut out of one or two trains. Particularly between 8 and 9am.

caj11 wrote:

Well, don't tell too many people about it, then everyone will get the same idea and it won't work too well anymore.

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iGreg wrote:
Well now when trying to get on a train @ 33rd station it is packed out with riders coming up from 23rd who already grabbed a seat.

Amazing how when doors opened half the ppl in the car stayed in place, maybe it's a life hack I'll need to start doing as well.

I used to do that on hot summer late evenings from 9th Street - why wait for the same train to come back down 15 minutes later packed full of people? Ride in comfort.

Yeah this is my late-night go-to maneuver, as well.

hamhock wrote:
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iGreg wrote:
Well now when trying to get on a train @ 33rd station it is packed out with riders coming up from 23rd who already grabbed a seat.

Amazing how when doors opened half the ppl in the car stayed in place, maybe it's a life hack I'll need to start doing as well.

I used to do that on hot summer late evenings from 9th Street - why wait for the same train to come back down 15 minutes later packed full of people? Ride in comfort.

hamhock wrote:
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iGreg wrote:
Well now when trying to get on a train @ 33rd station it is packed out with riders coming up from 23rd who already grabbed a seat.

Amazing how when doors opened half the ppl in the car stayed in place, maybe it's a life hack I'll need to start doing as well.

I used to do that on hot summer late evenings from 9th Street - why wait for the same train to come back down 15 minutes later packed full of people? Ride in comfort.

iGreg wrote:
Well now when trying to get on a train @ 33rd station it is packed out with riders coming up from 23rd who already grabbed a seat.

Amazing how when doors opened half the ppl in the car stayed in place, maybe it's a life hack I'll need to start doing as well.

I_heart_JC wrote:
Can anyone explain the logic behind the elevator at Grove Street? I'm actually surprised this hasn't come up before.

To call the elevator, one must push - AND THEN HOLD - the button, until the elevator arrives.

Once on the damn thing, the passenger must push and hold the button until the elevator reaches its destination. Let go, and you're stuck between floors. And it's not just pushing the button, you really have to lean into it, hard.

It is an awkward maneuver for the able-bodied. I cannot imagine how an elderly person with a walker or a wheelchair-bound passenger could comfortably accomplish this.

I used the elevator because I had my hands full of heavy luggage. Oh hey, there's a button I need to press and hold my full body weight into. Handy.

In typical Port Authority manner, they've taken something simple, and made it complicated.

And how is this even ADA-compliant?

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Bike_Lane wrote:
Anyone know the full story about the stairs at the south end of the 33rd Street station?

All I've been able to find is that it's closed for renovations.

They've been saying "open early 2018" from the start.

http://www.on-track-on-line.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=71442

https://www.panynj.gov/alerts-advisories/advisories_path.html

Bike_Lane wrote:
Anyone know the full story about the stairs at the south end of the 33rd Street station?