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You are obsessed with my posts...

No, I'm merely responding to them. That's normal behavior in these types of conversations.

I see no reason for further discussion with you on the topic. Have a nice night.

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I did get the part right where you were offended for being called a toolbag by some other reader after you called me a provocative dolt.


I was more amused than offended. At least you are participating here and have an opinion that you're willing to defend. Whoever that was, was only interested in throwing a rock at me. Probably a sock puppet.

Apocalyptic nonsense predictions are just that. I truly wish the archives here weren't dumped so I can link back to all the posts predicting traffic apocalypse from the construction of the Home Depot by the tunnel. It was classic!

The sky hasn't fallen in any of the states that have had fully legal weed or ones like California where it might as well have been for years now given how lax the medical "requirements" were. And the more states that legalize the less effect "weed tourism" will have.

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All I am doing is asking for information and posing some hypothetical scenarios to understand the issue more clearly.


Nah, you're being a deliberate & provocative idiot. You haven't bothered to look at the NJ proposals nor ANY of the other states that have legalized already. Not one allows under 21, just like alcohol & tobacco.



Your quote earlier but I ignored, but now I have to ask... and not to provoke you and kill your buzz man!

"In addition, marijuana is very different than other drugs. Unlike opiates or stimulants or alcohol, it is not habit forming. You can't overdose from marijuana. You can't die from the effects of marijuana. Marijuana does not cause acute toxicity. Evidence does not show that marijuana smoke is carcinogenic. It's not completely harmless, but it's substantially less harmful than pretty much every other recreational drug."

LOL With all your bluster "edukating" me on the safety of marijuana, you write that comment? And outside of marijuana and alcohol what other recreational drugs do you see useful to society? Why should I look to other sources of information when you are such an authority? I will just take your word.

I know to many questions from a provocative idiot. Say that wasn't an ad hominem attack was it?


Don't know who you're quoting there but it wasn't me, not that I don't agree with it. I think it's fair to call you a provocative idiot when you choose to be alarmist about minors buying, ignoring all precedents both for already legal drugs in New Jersey like tobacco & alcohol and states where weed has been legalized. There's absolutely no reason to think that that legal marijuana in New Jersey would be sold to those under 21.

People traveling to partake of recreational illegal in their home state is just artifact of that illegality. No one traveled to Canada for booze once we repealed prohibition.

Its funny, in the southern Oregon town of Ashland the only liquor store closes at like 6 so the college kids there have to drive an hour over the Siskiyou pass to California to get liquor after those hours. But the weed dispensaries are open till 8!



Oh... my error about the quote, it was from Dolimiti. It doesn't matter you agree. Not sure what the point of your Oregon story is... we still have Bergen County Blue laws.

I did get the part right where you were offended for being called a toolbag by some other reader after you called me a provocative dolt.

Apparently you missed (or refused to acknowledge) my link to Mulshine piece about legalization in the Star Ledger today. A opinion piece that got some readers in the same tizzy as you and Dolimiti.

I thought it was great! Bring the first wave of decriminalization access to Atlantic City and make AC the gateway city for legal gambling and marijuana usage. Brilliant satirical piece that nailed many of my concerns.

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All I am doing is asking for information and posing some hypothetical scenarios to understand the issue more clearly.


Nah, you're being a deliberate & provocative idiot. You haven't bothered to look at the NJ proposals nor ANY of the other states that have legalized already. Not one allows under 21, just like alcohol & tobacco.



Your quote earlier but I ignored, but now I have to ask... and not to provoke you and kill your buzz man!

"In addition, marijuana is very different than other drugs. Unlike opiates or stimulants or alcohol, it is not habit forming. You can't overdose from marijuana. You can't die from the effects of marijuana. Marijuana does not cause acute toxicity. Evidence does not show that marijuana smoke is carcinogenic. It's not completely harmless, but it's substantially less harmful than pretty much every other recreational drug."

LOL With all your bluster "edukating" me on the safety of marijuana, you write that comment? And outside of marijuana and alcohol what other recreational drugs do you see useful to society? Why should I look to other sources of information when you are such an authority? I will just take your word.

I know to many questions from a provocative idiot. Say that wasn't an ad hominem attack was it?


Don't know who you're quoting there but it wasn't me, not that I don't agree with it. I think it's fair to call you a provocative idiot when you choose to be alarmist about minors buying, ignoring all precedents both for already legal drugs in New Jersey like tobacco & alcohol and states where weed has been legalized. There's absolutely no reason to think that that legal marijuana in New Jersey would be sold to those under 21.

People traveling to partake of recreational illegal in their home state is just artifact of that illegality. No one traveled to Canada for booze once we repealed prohibition.

Its funny, in the southern Oregon town of Ashland the only liquor store closes at like 6 so the college kids there have to drive an hour over the Siskiyou pass to California to get liquor after those hours. But the weed dispensaries are open till 8!

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@ Brewster

Seems like there is still time to discuss this issue reasonably... I haven't "picked a lane" yet but the comment about what has happened to Colorado since legalization was interesting. Attracting an undesirable element is one of the arguments used to kill building the casino outside of LSP.

http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2 ... mu.html#incart_river_home

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All I am doing is asking for information and posing some hypothetical scenarios to understand the issue more clearly.


Nah, you're being a deliberate & provocative idiot. You haven't bothered to look at the NJ proposals nor ANY of the other states that have legalized already. Not one allows under 21, just like alcohol & tobacco.



Your quote earlier but I ignored, but now I have to ask... and not to provoke you and kill your buzz man!

"In addition, marijuana is very different than other drugs. Unlike opiates or stimulants or alcohol, it is not habit forming. You can't overdose from marijuana. You can't die from the effects of marijuana. Marijuana does not cause acute toxicity. Evidence does not show that marijuana smoke is carcinogenic. It's not completely harmless, but it's substantially less harmful than pretty much every other recreational drug."

LOL With all your bluster "edukating" me on the safety of marijuana, you write that comment? And outside of marijuana and alcohol what other recreational drugs do you see useful to society? Why should I look to other sources of information when you are such an authority? I will just take your word.

I know to many questions from a provocative idiot. Say that wasn't an ad hominem attack was it?







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Well needed with some of the uptight bitchez around here!

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We have restaurant row for Newark ave next we need Cannabis row for JSQ.

Downtown can have the food and alcohol while JSQ can have the weed and entertainment. Wouldn't it be great to have comedy clubs, billiards, arcades, concerts (Loews Theater), indoor skydiving, wave runners, trampoline parks, laser tag etc all in one place?

Jersey City needs to take advantage of this and set it up to bring in the tourist from NYC and the burbs that would flock to something like that before NYC speeds the process up to do the same once they see how successful it is and how much money they are losing out on.


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This is way off topic but I can't take it anymore. Brewster! you sound like such a tool bag. You definitely got picked on your whole life.


NICE!!! 3rd post is an all-in ad hominem attack. Welcome neighbor!

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This is way off topic but I can't take it anymore. Brewster! you sound like such a tool bag. You definitely got picked on your whole life.

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All I am doing is asking for information and posing some hypothetical scenarios to understand the issue more clearly.


Nah, you're being a deliberate & provocative idiot. You haven't bothered to look at the NJ proposals nor ANY of the other states that have legalized already. Not one allows under 21, just like alcohol & tobacco.

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" Odd, it sounds more like you're fumbling for reasons to oppose legalization. Your reasons seem to change with every post."

Why are my comments odd?

Because... as I said... You're changing your rationale in almost every post.

1st post: Worried about stoned drivers. Then claims that governments want stoned citizens, which are easier to control (a ludicrous claim on numerous counts btw). Accuse state of just wanting tax revenue.

2nd post: Claims the state is jeopardizing citizen health. Accuses legislators of hypocrisy.

3rd post: Conflates marijuana and tobacco. Government is wrong to promote marijuana use.

4th post: Big Tobacco is getting involved!

5th post: Marijuana must cause cancer because it leaves residue on your fingers! Medical use for terminal patients is fine, but do we really want a society of stoners?

6th post: Drags gambling and prostitution into the discussion. Don't want to hear about tax revenues. Kids shouldn't get a criminal record over this stuff. Should we let the government run our lives?

8th post: Think of the children!

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I said I am struggling with the issue of making it not so much legal, but more available, particularly to teenagers.

No, as a matter of fact, you haven't said that. You haven't discussed minors at all.

Plus, the law will set the minimum age to 21.


LOL You are obsessed with my posts... now show me where exactly where I wrote that I was opposed to legalization, because that is what is fueling your OCD behavior.

In fact I said that I could understand a reasons to decriminalize. All I am doing is asking for information and posing some hypothetical scenarios to understand the issue more clearly. not sure why that is so threatening or even confusing to you?

At this point, after being accused of being a Trump supporter, being told "the war on drugs" was really a war on Black Americans, and getting a lecture from you about how a democracy works it is probably not worth my while to announce my decision because you would be presumptuous enough to assume you convinced me. I do hope this thread has made other readers smile.

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Doctors prescribed tons of opiate pills turning how many citizens into heroin addicts and some ppl who want to smoke a non processed plant God created (Yvonne) have to act like they're doing something naughty and illegal.

Tax the shit and be done with it.

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" Odd, it sounds more like you're fumbling for reasons to oppose legalization. Your reasons seem to change with every post."

Why are my comments odd?

Because... as I said... You're changing your rationale in almost every post.

1st post: Worried about stoned drivers. Then claims that governments want stoned citizens, which are easier to control (a ludicrous claim on numerous counts btw). Accuse state of just wanting tax revenue.

2nd post: Claims the state is jeopardizing citizen health. Accuses legislators of hypocrisy.

3rd post: Conflates marijuana and tobacco. Government is wrong to promote marijuana use.

4th post: Big Tobacco is getting involved!

5th post: Marijuana must cause cancer because it leaves residue on your fingers! Medical use for terminal patients is fine, but do we really want a society of stoners?

6th post: Drags gambling and prostitution into the discussion. Don't want to hear about tax revenues. Kids shouldn't get a criminal record over this stuff. Should we let the government run our lives?

8th post: Think of the children!

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No, as a matter of fact, you haven't said that. You haven't discussed minors at all.

Plus, the law will set the minimum age to 21.

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I am struggling with the issue of making it not so much legal, but more available, particularly to teenagers.


My relative the social worker says today's teens have easier access to weed than to alcohol. Why? Because since alcohol is legal but restricted to those over 21 there's no bootleggers who will sell to them, but weed is everywhere. Legalization will likely REDUCE teens access, since they will be the only customers for illegal weed and they usually have little money there will be no organized crime structures to provide it to them any more than there's rings to sell them booze.


I have no doubt your social worker relative is correct. But your bring up a good point... will the sales be restricted to 21 or 18 years of age? If it is 18, does a 13,14 or 15 year old really need to go to an illegal source when their older brother or sister can help them out. Does an 18 year old?

As a point of fact when the states dropped alcohol buy age to 18, fatal teen age deaths related to alcohol/car accidents spiked to the point where the Feds forced the legal age back to 21. Teenagers/cars/texting and now some kid dropping a half smoked doobie between the car seats during a hand-off.

Sounds like a few people on this board plan on taking advantage which is none of my concern. Hell, I might even try it one more time. Curious where your social worker relative comes down on this legalize plan?

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I am struggling with the issue of making it not so much legal, but more available, particularly to teenagers.


My relative the social worker says today's teens have easier access to weed than to alcohol. Why? Because since alcohol is legal but restricted to those over 21 there's no bootleggers who will sell to them, but weed is everywhere. Legalization will likely REDUCE teens access, since they will be the only customers for illegal weed and they usually have little money there will be no organized crime structures to provide it to them any more than there's rings to sell them booze.

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"Evidence does not show that marijuana smoke is carcinogenic."

If you had said evidence does not show that marijuana is carcinogenic I would have agreed with you. However, ANY burnt material that you inhale into your lungs is carcinogenic. Anytime you use flame to burn your marijuana, you are causing incomplete combustion of organic matter, which in turn releases benzo(a)pyrene. Benzo(a)pyrene has been linked to the formation of lung cancer. If you want a healthy alternative, try limiting yourself with the smoking and get yourself a vaporizer. Edibles, cannabis oil, and vape pens will be the norm after legalization occurs and there is an actual legal marketplace.

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" Odd, it sounds more like you're fumbling for reasons to oppose legalization. Your reasons seem to change with every post."

Why are my comments odd? I said I am struggling with the issue of making it not so much legal, but more available, particularly to teenagers. I am not clear on what the developmental impact on kids who have not grown to full maturity. Does it increase creativity/awareness or does it turn you into the "Dave's Not Here" stoners who sat in the back of my classroom glass eyed in a smokey haze. I smoked in my younger years... guess I grew out of it, particularly with drug testing for jobs. I guess I just look at using it ... and life differently now. And that is not a judgment on people still smoking. To each their own.

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my rhetorical points have always been focused on what appears to be hypocrisy in government activity. Should the state normalize/enable gambling addictions through a state sponsored lottery advertisements while regulating tobacco/alcohol advertisements. That's what I am trying to rationalize.

Yeah, thing is? The push for marijuana legalization is largely coming from citizens, not elected officials. Citizens want the laws to change, and have wanted those laws to change for years. The legislators, and now governor, are responding to their constituents. That's how a representative democracy is supposed to work.

In addition, marijuana is very different than other drugs. Unlike opiates or stimulants or alcohol, it is not habit forming. You can't overdose from marijuana. You can't die from the effects of marijuana. Marijuana does not cause acute toxicity. Evidence does not show that marijuana smoke is carcinogenic. It's not completely harmless, but it's substantially less harmful than pretty much every other recreational drug.


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I am more accepting of the argument to decriminalize possession rather than listening to a pro-legal point of political view that talks about all the new tax revenues.

OK, how about this?

"Marijuana prohibition is not working, and enforcing those laws causes all sorts of harm to American citizens, especially in minority communities which already have enough issues relating to law enforcement and the criminal justice system. Marijuana itself causes minimal harm, and has some potential health benefits in certain situations. It should never have been outlawed in the first place. We can take steps to mitigate some of the potential issues, such as establishing laws against operating vehicles or heavy machinery under the influence, and barring access by anyone under 21. Plus, if we legalize it, the state can collect tax revenues."

Sounds like a win-win situation to me.


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All I am doing is posing some questions about the about what boundaries are good for a society... and what isn't. And also what is the role of government in controlling the lives of citizens? Why shouldn't we legalize prostitution?

Odd, it sounds more like you're fumbling for reasons to oppose legalization. Your reasons seem to change with every post.

I see no reason to get bogged down in unrelated issues like prostitution.

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!5 bucks an ounce for Panama Red or Acapulco Gold back in the late sixties.
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Mexican borders were shut down in 1969. After that South America weighed in and everything changed....

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I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the nanny state's hysterical views on smoking versus their acceptance/encouragement about smoking a joint. Seems like the processes are the same, inhale a stimulant into your lungs.... yet smokers are treated like dirt in the culture today.


Tobacco is physically addictive and a proven killer of huge numbers of people, public enemy #1. Weed? Neither. Even a regular user might have a few hits a day, rather than smoking a pack or 3 like people did before the price went sky high. And yet tobacco is legal and weed is not. Note, we're not even talking about the derivative products, which are HUGE, and not smoked.


It is going to be interesting watching the long term health effects... It just seems to me the residue at the end of the blount or stains your fingers also coats your lungs can't be good.

When a close family member was dying from leukemia, he was smoking illegally, so I understand the medicinally relief. I also don't believe in criminalization for possession.

Is the classic image of the "stoner" really what we want for our society? Are the "3 hits a day" what you want co-workers doing? Just rhetorical questions? I just don't think it is the role of government to act as enablers.


As opposed to what? Drunk tobacco smokers who are forced to rely on anti depressants to get through another day in a capitalist society? Our society could benefit from having some people chill out and not depend on pharmaceuticals for physical and mental relief. The government has completely enabled this opiate and heroin epidemic and the only reason they are pretending to care now is because white rich kids are the ones overdosing.

You must be really upset by how much money our officials take from pharmaceutical companies? That is true enabling.

How big pharma and US officials feed the opioid crisis

People are getting “worked up” in their responses to you because your opinion doesn’t make sense-there is far worse that is truly enabled by our government that has been completely normalized because they line the pockets of our officials.


Sorry you got worked up... my rhetorical points have always been focused on what appears to be hypocrisy in government activity. Should the state normalize/enable gambling addictions through a state sponsored lottery advertisements while regulating tobacco/alcohol advertisements. That's what I am trying to rationalize.

I am more accepting of the argument to decriminalize possession rather than listening to a pro-legal point of political view that talks about all the new tax revenues. Saving a kid from a minor controlled substance possession criminal record is obvious. Listening to the political argument about 25% taxes and gloating about new revenue streams as they do to justify the NJ Lottery makes you wonder about the human costs.

All I am doing is posing some questions about the about what boundaries are good for a society... and what isn't. And also what is the role of government in controlling the lives of citizens? Why shouldn't we legalize prostitution?


You’re cute. Aren’t you a Trump supporter? I can’t take these statements as you sincerely caring about the well being of our society seriously if that’s the case. It comes across like you’re just trying to talk in circles so it almost seems like you have a point.

Never forget sole purpose of the “War on Drugs” was to put black people in jail. Your pearl clutching is fooling no one.


If you asking me if I voted against Hillary... YES. Sorry if my legitimate questions or comments make your head spin. There are other viewpoints out there to be heard.

Despite what your Mommy, Daddy and college professor told you, your narrow view of the world is not the absolute truth.

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my rhetorical points have always been focused on what appears to be hypocrisy in government activity. Should the state normalize/enable gambling addictions through a state sponsored lottery advertisements while regulating tobacco/alcohol advertisements. That's what I am trying to rationalize.



No, the state should not be in the gambling business. It's proven harmful, just like alcohol, tobacco, and guns. But apparently these thing are considered American as Apple pie. But what has never been proven harmful is weed. No one has ever died of an overdose. No one gets high and starts a brawl or beats/shoots their wife or dies horrible from lung or heart disease.
All the harm weed has ever caused has been from it's being illegal.

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I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the nanny state's hysterical views on smoking versus their acceptance/encouragement about smoking a joint. Seems like the processes are the same, inhale a stimulant into your lungs.... yet smokers are treated like dirt in the culture today.


Tobacco is physically addictive and a proven killer of huge numbers of people, public enemy #1. Weed? Neither. Even a regular user might have a few hits a day, rather than smoking a pack or 3 like people did before the price went sky high. And yet tobacco is legal and weed is not. Note, we're not even talking about the derivative products, which are HUGE, and not smoked.


It is going to be interesting watching the long term health effects... It just seems to me the residue at the end of the blount or stains your fingers also coats your lungs can't be good.

When a close family member was dying from leukemia, he was smoking illegally, so I understand the medicinally relief. I also don't believe in criminalization for possession.

Is the classic image of the "stoner" really what we want for our society? Are the "3 hits a day" what you want co-workers doing? Just rhetorical questions? I just don't think it is the role of government to act as enablers.


As opposed to what? Drunk tobacco smokers who are forced to rely on anti depressants to get through another day in a capitalist society? Our society could benefit from having some people chill out and not depend on pharmaceuticals for physical and mental relief. The government has completely enabled this opiate and heroin epidemic and the only reason they are pretending to care now is because white rich kids are the ones overdosing.

You must be really upset by how much money our officials take from pharmaceutical companies? That is true enabling.

How big pharma and US officials feed the opioid crisis

People are getting “worked up” in their responses to you because your opinion doesn’t make sense-there is far worse that is truly enabled by our government that has been completely normalized because they line the pockets of our officials.


Sorry you got worked up... my rhetorical points have always been focused on what appears to be hypocrisy in government activity. Should the state normalize/enable gambling addictions through a state sponsored lottery advertisements while regulating tobacco/alcohol advertisements. That's what I am trying to rationalize.

I am more accepting of the argument to decriminalize possession rather than listening to a pro-legal point of political view that talks about all the new tax revenues. Saving a kid from a minor controlled substance possession criminal record is obvious. Listening to the political argument about 25% taxes and gloating about new revenue streams as they do to justify the NJ Lottery makes you wonder about the human costs.

All I am doing is posing some questions about the about what boundaries are good for a society... and what isn't. And also what is the role of government in controlling the lives of citizens? Why shouldn't we legalize prostitution?


You’re cute. Aren’t you a Trump supporter? I can’t take these statements as you sincerely caring about the well being of our society seriously if that’s the case. It comes across like you’re just trying to talk in circles so it almost seems like you have a point.

Never forget sole purpose of the “War on Drugs” was to put black people in jail. Your pearl clutching is fooling no one.

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I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the nanny state's hysterical views on smoking versus their acceptance/encouragement about smoking a joint. Seems like the processes are the same, inhale a stimulant into your lungs.... yet smokers are treated like dirt in the culture today.


Tobacco is physically addictive and a proven killer of huge numbers of people, public enemy #1. Weed? Neither. Even a regular user might have a few hits a day, rather than smoking a pack or 3 like people did before the price went sky high. And yet tobacco is legal and weed is not. Note, we're not even talking about the derivative products, which are HUGE, and not smoked.


It is going to be interesting watching the long term health effects... It just seems to me the residue at the end of the blount or stains your fingers also coats your lungs can't be good.

When a close family member was dying from leukemia, he was smoking illegally, so I understand the medicinally relief. I also don't believe in criminalization for possession.

Is the classic image of the "stoner" really what we want for our society? Are the "3 hits a day" what you want co-workers doing? Just rhetorical questions? I just don't think it is the role of government to act as enablers.


As opposed to what? Drunk tobacco smokers who are forced to rely on anti depressants to get through another day in a capitalist society? Our society could benefit from having some people chill out and not depend on pharmaceuticals for physical and mental relief. The government has completely enabled this opiate and heroin epidemic and the only reason they are pretending to care now is because white rich kids are the ones overdosing.

You must be really upset by how much money our officials take from pharmaceutical companies? That is true enabling.

How big pharma and US officials feed the opioid crisis

People are getting “worked up” in their responses to you because your opinion doesn’t make sense-there is far worse that is truly enabled by our government that has been completely normalized because they line the pockets of our officials.


Sorry you got worked up... my rhetorical points have always been focused on what appears to be hypocrisy in government activity. Should the state normalize/enable gambling addictions through a state sponsored lottery advertisements while regulating tobacco/alcohol advertisements. That's what I am trying to rationalize.

I am more accepting of the argument to decriminalize possession rather than listening to a pro-legal point of political view that talks about all the new tax revenues. Saving a kid from a minor controlled substance possession criminal record is obvious. Listening to the political argument about 25% taxes and gloating about new revenue streams as they do to justify the NJ Lottery makes you wonder about the human costs.

All I am doing is posing some questions about the about what boundaries are good for a society... and what isn't. And also what is the role of government in controlling the lives of citizens? Why shouldn't we legalize prostitution?

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I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the nanny state's hysterical views on smoking versus their acceptance/encouragement about smoking a joint. Seems like the processes are the same, inhale a stimulant into your lungs.... yet smokers are treated like dirt in the culture today.


Tobacco is physically addictive and a proven killer of huge numbers of people, public enemy #1. Weed? Neither. Even a regular user might have a few hits a day, rather than smoking a pack or 3 like people did before the price went sky high. And yet tobacco is legal and weed is not. Note, we're not even talking about the derivative products, which are HUGE, and not smoked.


It is going to be interesting watching the long term health effects... It just seems to me the residue at the end of the blount or stains your fingers also coats your lungs can't be good.

When a close family member was dying from leukemia, he was smoking illegally, so I understand the medicinally relief. I also don't believe in criminalization for possession.

Is the classic image of the "stoner" really what we want for our society? Are the "3 hits a day" what you want co-workers doing? Just rhetorical questions? I just don't think it is the role of government to act as enablers.


As opposed to what? Drunk tobacco smokers who are forced to rely on anti depressants to get through another day in a capitalist society? Our society could benefit from having some people chill out and not depend on pharmaceuticals for physical and mental relief. The government has completely enabled this opiate and heroin epidemic and the only reason they are pretending to care now is because white rich kids are the ones overdosing.

You must be really upset by how much money our officials take from pharmaceutical companies? That is true enabling.

How big pharma and US officials feed the opioid crisis

People are getting “worked up” in their responses to you because your opinion doesn’t make sense-there is far worse that is truly enabled by our government that has been completely normalized because they line the pockets of our officials.

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Is the classic image of the "stoner" really what we want for our society? Are the "3 hits a day" what you want co-workers doing? Just rhetorical questions? I just don't think it is the role of government to act as enablers.


Not everyone who uses cannabis smokes all day every day any more than everyone who likes a drink is an alcoholic who drinks all day. No one should be buzzed at work, duh.

Legalizing something is different than promoting it. If you ask me, where the government is actively promoting self destructive behavior is gambling. Every time I see a lottery ad I wince, the government is deliberately trying to tax those who can least afford it.

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what's all the fuss about legalizing weed. it has been legal in amsterdam and no major problems. amsterdam's only big problem is that the thousands of british drunkards that flood the city each weekend.

so, i say, let nj smoke weed.

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I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the nanny state's hysterical views on smoking versus their acceptance/encouragement about smoking a joint. Seems like the processes are the same, inhale a stimulant into your lungs.... yet smokers are treated like dirt in the culture today.


Tobacco is physically addictive and a proven killer of huge numbers of people, public enemy #1. Weed? Neither. Even a regular user might have a few hits a day, rather than smoking a pack or 3 like people did before the price went sky high. And yet tobacco is legal and weed is not. Note, we're not even talking about the derivative products, which are HUGE, and not smoked.


It is going to be interesting watching the long term health effects... It just seems to me the residue at the end of the blount or stains your fingers also coats your lungs can't be good.

When a close family member was dying from leukemia, he was smoking illegally, so I understand the medicinally relief. I also don't believe in criminalization for possession.

Is the classic image of the "stoner" really what we want for our society? Are the "3 hits a day" what you want co-workers doing? Just rhetorical questions? I just don't think it is the role of government to act as enablers.

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