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" Odd, it sounds more like you're fumbling for reasons to oppose legalization. Your reasons seem to change with every post."

Why are my comments odd?

Because... as I said... You're changing your rationale in almost every post.

1st post: Worried about stoned drivers. Then claims that governments want stoned citizens, which are easier to control (a ludicrous claim on numerous counts btw). Accuse state of just wanting tax revenue.

2nd post: Claims the state is jeopardizing citizen health. Accuses legislators of hypocrisy.

3rd post: Conflates marijuana and tobacco. Government is wrong to promote marijuana use.

4th post: Big Tobacco is getting involved!

5th post: Marijuana must cause cancer because it leaves residue on your fingers! Medical use for terminal patients is fine, but do we really want a society of stoners?

6th post: Drags gambling and prostitution into the discussion. Don't want to hear about tax revenues. Kids shouldn't get a criminal record over this stuff. Should we let the government run our lives?

8th post: Think of the children!

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I said I am struggling with the issue of making it not so much legal, but more available, particularly to teenagers.

No, as a matter of fact, you haven't said that. You haven't discussed minors at all.

Plus, the law will set the minimum age to 21.

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I am struggling with the issue of making it not so much legal, but more available, particularly to teenagers.


My relative the social worker says today's teens have easier access to weed than to alcohol. Why? Because since alcohol is legal but restricted to those over 21 there's no bootleggers who will sell to them, but weed is everywhere. Legalization will likely REDUCE teens access, since they will be the only customers for illegal weed and they usually have little money there will be no organized crime structures to provide it to them any more than there's rings to sell them booze.


I have no doubt your social worker relative is correct. But your bring up a good point... will the sales be restricted to 21 or 18 years of age? If it is 18, does a 13,14 or 15 year old really need to go to an illegal source when their older brother or sister can help them out. Does an 18 year old?

As a point of fact when the states dropped alcohol buy age to 18, fatal teen age deaths related to alcohol/car accidents spiked to the point where the Feds forced the legal age back to 21. Teenagers/cars/texting and now some kid dropping a half smoked doobie between the car seats during a hand-off.

Sounds like a few people on this board plan on taking advantage which is none of my concern. Hell, I might even try it one more time. Curious where your social worker relative comes down on this legalize plan?

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I am struggling with the issue of making it not so much legal, but more available, particularly to teenagers.


My relative the social worker says today's teens have easier access to weed than to alcohol. Why? Because since alcohol is legal but restricted to those over 21 there's no bootleggers who will sell to them, but weed is everywhere. Legalization will likely REDUCE teens access, since they will be the only customers for illegal weed and they usually have little money there will be no organized crime structures to provide it to them any more than there's rings to sell them booze.

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"Evidence does not show that marijuana smoke is carcinogenic."

If you had said evidence does not show that marijuana is carcinogenic I would have agreed with you. However, ANY burnt material that you inhale into your lungs is carcinogenic. Anytime you use flame to burn your marijuana, you are causing incomplete combustion of organic matter, which in turn releases benzo(a)pyrene. Benzo(a)pyrene has been linked to the formation of lung cancer. If you want a healthy alternative, try limiting yourself with the smoking and get yourself a vaporizer. Edibles, cannabis oil, and vape pens will be the norm after legalization occurs and there is an actual legal marketplace.

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" Odd, it sounds more like you're fumbling for reasons to oppose legalization. Your reasons seem to change with every post."

Why are my comments odd? I said I am struggling with the issue of making it not so much legal, but more available, particularly to teenagers. I am not clear on what the developmental impact on kids who have not grown to full maturity. Does it increase creativity/awareness or does it turn you into the "Dave's Not Here" stoners who sat in the back of my classroom glass eyed in a smokey haze. I smoked in my younger years... guess I grew out of it, particularly with drug testing for jobs. I guess I just look at using it ... and life differently now. And that is not a judgment on people still smoking. To each their own.

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my rhetorical points have always been focused on what appears to be hypocrisy in government activity. Should the state normalize/enable gambling addictions through a state sponsored lottery advertisements while regulating tobacco/alcohol advertisements. That's what I am trying to rationalize.

Yeah, thing is? The push for marijuana legalization is largely coming from citizens, not elected officials. Citizens want the laws to change, and have wanted those laws to change for years. The legislators, and now governor, are responding to their constituents. That's how a representative democracy is supposed to work.

In addition, marijuana is very different than other drugs. Unlike opiates or stimulants or alcohol, it is not habit forming. You can't overdose from marijuana. You can't die from the effects of marijuana. Marijuana does not cause acute toxicity. Evidence does not show that marijuana smoke is carcinogenic. It's not completely harmless, but it's substantially less harmful than pretty much every other recreational drug.


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I am more accepting of the argument to decriminalize possession rather than listening to a pro-legal point of political view that talks about all the new tax revenues.

OK, how about this?

"Marijuana prohibition is not working, and enforcing those laws causes all sorts of harm to American citizens, especially in minority communities which already have enough issues relating to law enforcement and the criminal justice system. Marijuana itself causes minimal harm, and has some potential health benefits in certain situations. It should never have been outlawed in the first place. We can take steps to mitigate some of the potential issues, such as establishing laws against operating vehicles or heavy machinery under the influence, and barring access by anyone under 21. Plus, if we legalize it, the state can collect tax revenues."

Sounds like a win-win situation to me.


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All I am doing is posing some questions about the about what boundaries are good for a society... and what isn't. And also what is the role of government in controlling the lives of citizens? Why shouldn't we legalize prostitution?

Odd, it sounds more like you're fumbling for reasons to oppose legalization. Your reasons seem to change with every post.

I see no reason to get bogged down in unrelated issues like prostitution.

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Ha...children, children,,,,

!5 bucks an ounce for Panama Red or Acapulco Gold back in the late sixties.
Only papers around were ZigZags.
Mexican borders were shut down in 1969. After that South America weighed in and everything changed....

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I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the nanny state's hysterical views on smoking versus their acceptance/encouragement about smoking a joint. Seems like the processes are the same, inhale a stimulant into your lungs.... yet smokers are treated like dirt in the culture today.


Tobacco is physically addictive and a proven killer of huge numbers of people, public enemy #1. Weed? Neither. Even a regular user might have a few hits a day, rather than smoking a pack or 3 like people did before the price went sky high. And yet tobacco is legal and weed is not. Note, we're not even talking about the derivative products, which are HUGE, and not smoked.


It is going to be interesting watching the long term health effects... It just seems to me the residue at the end of the blount or stains your fingers also coats your lungs can't be good.

When a close family member was dying from leukemia, he was smoking illegally, so I understand the medicinally relief. I also don't believe in criminalization for possession.

Is the classic image of the "stoner" really what we want for our society? Are the "3 hits a day" what you want co-workers doing? Just rhetorical questions? I just don't think it is the role of government to act as enablers.


As opposed to what? Drunk tobacco smokers who are forced to rely on anti depressants to get through another day in a capitalist society? Our society could benefit from having some people chill out and not depend on pharmaceuticals for physical and mental relief. The government has completely enabled this opiate and heroin epidemic and the only reason they are pretending to care now is because white rich kids are the ones overdosing.

You must be really upset by how much money our officials take from pharmaceutical companies? That is true enabling.

How big pharma and US officials feed the opioid crisis

People are getting “worked up” in their responses to you because your opinion doesn’t make sense-there is far worse that is truly enabled by our government that has been completely normalized because they line the pockets of our officials.


Sorry you got worked up... my rhetorical points have always been focused on what appears to be hypocrisy in government activity. Should the state normalize/enable gambling addictions through a state sponsored lottery advertisements while regulating tobacco/alcohol advertisements. That's what I am trying to rationalize.

I am more accepting of the argument to decriminalize possession rather than listening to a pro-legal point of political view that talks about all the new tax revenues. Saving a kid from a minor controlled substance possession criminal record is obvious. Listening to the political argument about 25% taxes and gloating about new revenue streams as they do to justify the NJ Lottery makes you wonder about the human costs.

All I am doing is posing some questions about the about what boundaries are good for a society... and what isn't. And also what is the role of government in controlling the lives of citizens? Why shouldn't we legalize prostitution?


You’re cute. Aren’t you a Trump supporter? I can’t take these statements as you sincerely caring about the well being of our society seriously if that’s the case. It comes across like you’re just trying to talk in circles so it almost seems like you have a point.

Never forget sole purpose of the “War on Drugs” was to put black people in jail. Your pearl clutching is fooling no one.


If you asking me if I voted against Hillary... YES. Sorry if my legitimate questions or comments make your head spin. There are other viewpoints out there to be heard.

Despite what your Mommy, Daddy and college professor told you, your narrow view of the world is not the absolute truth.

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my rhetorical points have always been focused on what appears to be hypocrisy in government activity. Should the state normalize/enable gambling addictions through a state sponsored lottery advertisements while regulating tobacco/alcohol advertisements. That's what I am trying to rationalize.



No, the state should not be in the gambling business. It's proven harmful, just like alcohol, tobacco, and guns. But apparently these thing are considered American as Apple pie. But what has never been proven harmful is weed. No one has ever died of an overdose. No one gets high and starts a brawl or beats/shoots their wife or dies horrible from lung or heart disease.
All the harm weed has ever caused has been from it's being illegal.

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I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the nanny state's hysterical views on smoking versus their acceptance/encouragement about smoking a joint. Seems like the processes are the same, inhale a stimulant into your lungs.... yet smokers are treated like dirt in the culture today.


Tobacco is physically addictive and a proven killer of huge numbers of people, public enemy #1. Weed? Neither. Even a regular user might have a few hits a day, rather than smoking a pack or 3 like people did before the price went sky high. And yet tobacco is legal and weed is not. Note, we're not even talking about the derivative products, which are HUGE, and not smoked.


It is going to be interesting watching the long term health effects... It just seems to me the residue at the end of the blount or stains your fingers also coats your lungs can't be good.

When a close family member was dying from leukemia, he was smoking illegally, so I understand the medicinally relief. I also don't believe in criminalization for possession.

Is the classic image of the "stoner" really what we want for our society? Are the "3 hits a day" what you want co-workers doing? Just rhetorical questions? I just don't think it is the role of government to act as enablers.


As opposed to what? Drunk tobacco smokers who are forced to rely on anti depressants to get through another day in a capitalist society? Our society could benefit from having some people chill out and not depend on pharmaceuticals for physical and mental relief. The government has completely enabled this opiate and heroin epidemic and the only reason they are pretending to care now is because white rich kids are the ones overdosing.

You must be really upset by how much money our officials take from pharmaceutical companies? That is true enabling.

How big pharma and US officials feed the opioid crisis

People are getting “worked up” in their responses to you because your opinion doesn’t make sense-there is far worse that is truly enabled by our government that has been completely normalized because they line the pockets of our officials.


Sorry you got worked up... my rhetorical points have always been focused on what appears to be hypocrisy in government activity. Should the state normalize/enable gambling addictions through a state sponsored lottery advertisements while regulating tobacco/alcohol advertisements. That's what I am trying to rationalize.

I am more accepting of the argument to decriminalize possession rather than listening to a pro-legal point of political view that talks about all the new tax revenues. Saving a kid from a minor controlled substance possession criminal record is obvious. Listening to the political argument about 25% taxes and gloating about new revenue streams as they do to justify the NJ Lottery makes you wonder about the human costs.

All I am doing is posing some questions about the about what boundaries are good for a society... and what isn't. And also what is the role of government in controlling the lives of citizens? Why shouldn't we legalize prostitution?


You’re cute. Aren’t you a Trump supporter? I can’t take these statements as you sincerely caring about the well being of our society seriously if that’s the case. It comes across like you’re just trying to talk in circles so it almost seems like you have a point.

Never forget sole purpose of the “War on Drugs” was to put black people in jail. Your pearl clutching is fooling no one.

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I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the nanny state's hysterical views on smoking versus their acceptance/encouragement about smoking a joint. Seems like the processes are the same, inhale a stimulant into your lungs.... yet smokers are treated like dirt in the culture today.


Tobacco is physically addictive and a proven killer of huge numbers of people, public enemy #1. Weed? Neither. Even a regular user might have a few hits a day, rather than smoking a pack or 3 like people did before the price went sky high. And yet tobacco is legal and weed is not. Note, we're not even talking about the derivative products, which are HUGE, and not smoked.


It is going to be interesting watching the long term health effects... It just seems to me the residue at the end of the blount or stains your fingers also coats your lungs can't be good.

When a close family member was dying from leukemia, he was smoking illegally, so I understand the medicinally relief. I also don't believe in criminalization for possession.

Is the classic image of the "stoner" really what we want for our society? Are the "3 hits a day" what you want co-workers doing? Just rhetorical questions? I just don't think it is the role of government to act as enablers.


As opposed to what? Drunk tobacco smokers who are forced to rely on anti depressants to get through another day in a capitalist society? Our society could benefit from having some people chill out and not depend on pharmaceuticals for physical and mental relief. The government has completely enabled this opiate and heroin epidemic and the only reason they are pretending to care now is because white rich kids are the ones overdosing.

You must be really upset by how much money our officials take from pharmaceutical companies? That is true enabling.

How big pharma and US officials feed the opioid crisis

People are getting “worked up” in their responses to you because your opinion doesn’t make sense-there is far worse that is truly enabled by our government that has been completely normalized because they line the pockets of our officials.


Sorry you got worked up... my rhetorical points have always been focused on what appears to be hypocrisy in government activity. Should the state normalize/enable gambling addictions through a state sponsored lottery advertisements while regulating tobacco/alcohol advertisements. That's what I am trying to rationalize.

I am more accepting of the argument to decriminalize possession rather than listening to a pro-legal point of political view that talks about all the new tax revenues. Saving a kid from a minor controlled substance possession criminal record is obvious. Listening to the political argument about 25% taxes and gloating about new revenue streams as they do to justify the NJ Lottery makes you wonder about the human costs.

All I am doing is posing some questions about the about what boundaries are good for a society... and what isn't. And also what is the role of government in controlling the lives of citizens? Why shouldn't we legalize prostitution?

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I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the nanny state's hysterical views on smoking versus their acceptance/encouragement about smoking a joint. Seems like the processes are the same, inhale a stimulant into your lungs.... yet smokers are treated like dirt in the culture today.


Tobacco is physically addictive and a proven killer of huge numbers of people, public enemy #1. Weed? Neither. Even a regular user might have a few hits a day, rather than smoking a pack or 3 like people did before the price went sky high. And yet tobacco is legal and weed is not. Note, we're not even talking about the derivative products, which are HUGE, and not smoked.


It is going to be interesting watching the long term health effects... It just seems to me the residue at the end of the blount or stains your fingers also coats your lungs can't be good.

When a close family member was dying from leukemia, he was smoking illegally, so I understand the medicinally relief. I also don't believe in criminalization for possession.

Is the classic image of the "stoner" really what we want for our society? Are the "3 hits a day" what you want co-workers doing? Just rhetorical questions? I just don't think it is the role of government to act as enablers.


As opposed to what? Drunk tobacco smokers who are forced to rely on anti depressants to get through another day in a capitalist society? Our society could benefit from having some people chill out and not depend on pharmaceuticals for physical and mental relief. The government has completely enabled this opiate and heroin epidemic and the only reason they are pretending to care now is because white rich kids are the ones overdosing.

You must be really upset by how much money our officials take from pharmaceutical companies? That is true enabling.

How big pharma and US officials feed the opioid crisis

People are getting “worked up” in their responses to you because your opinion doesn’t make sense-there is far worse that is truly enabled by our government that has been completely normalized because they line the pockets of our officials.

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Is the classic image of the "stoner" really what we want for our society? Are the "3 hits a day" what you want co-workers doing? Just rhetorical questions? I just don't think it is the role of government to act as enablers.


Not everyone who uses cannabis smokes all day every day any more than everyone who likes a drink is an alcoholic who drinks all day. No one should be buzzed at work, duh.

Legalizing something is different than promoting it. If you ask me, where the government is actively promoting self destructive behavior is gambling. Every time I see a lottery ad I wince, the government is deliberately trying to tax those who can least afford it.

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what's all the fuss about legalizing weed. it has been legal in amsterdam and no major problems. amsterdam's only big problem is that the thousands of british drunkards that flood the city each weekend.

so, i say, let nj smoke weed.

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I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the nanny state's hysterical views on smoking versus their acceptance/encouragement about smoking a joint. Seems like the processes are the same, inhale a stimulant into your lungs.... yet smokers are treated like dirt in the culture today.


Tobacco is physically addictive and a proven killer of huge numbers of people, public enemy #1. Weed? Neither. Even a regular user might have a few hits a day, rather than smoking a pack or 3 like people did before the price went sky high. And yet tobacco is legal and weed is not. Note, we're not even talking about the derivative products, which are HUGE, and not smoked.


It is going to be interesting watching the long term health effects... It just seems to me the residue at the end of the blount or stains your fingers also coats your lungs can't be good.

When a close family member was dying from leukemia, he was smoking illegally, so I understand the medicinally relief. I also don't believe in criminalization for possession.

Is the classic image of the "stoner" really what we want for our society? Are the "3 hits a day" what you want co-workers doing? Just rhetorical questions? I just don't think it is the role of government to act as enablers.

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The new Assembly speaker keeps saying that the laws will have to go through the committee process, discuss and debate, etc. He doesn't sound like he's in a hurry.

It will take time to set up the regulatory regime. Though Scutari pointed out that the current medical dispensaries are already regulated, vetted, and could start selling relatively soon.

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The state is looking for a big tax payday like Colorado.

Yes, and everyone knows it. Including people pushing to legalize it.

Is that supposed to be an objection?

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I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the nanny state's hysterical views on smoking versus their acceptance/encouragement about smoking a joint. Seems like the processes are the same, inhale a stimulant into your lungs.... yet smokers are treated like dirt in the culture today.


Tobacco is physically addictive and a proven killer of huge numbers of people, public enemy #1. Weed? Neither. Even a regular user might have a few hits a day, rather than smoking a pack or 3 like people did before the price went sky high. And yet tobacco is legal and weed is not. Note, we're not even talking about the derivative products, which are HUGE, and not smoked.

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The great thing about the weed/tax model is it scales locally, rather than being a disaster like casinos. It can be grown anywhere, so the entire economic impact can stay local, rather than sending the money elsewhere for wholesale product. I'd really have no problem if you could only sell NJ grown in NJ.

Tax schmax, Oregon is getting plenty of tax and it's still selling powerful weed for $8/g. Secondhand smoke? Is that really all you got? Clearly all the rules for public cigarette and alcohol consumption should apply. You can't legally light up in the streets in the states where it's currently legal. This is the "no place exists but us" crap that always pisses me off where people pretend there's no functioning models to look at.


I 'll have a toke of what you are smoking... I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the nanny state's hysterical views on smoking versus their acceptance/encouragement about smoking a joint. Seems like the processes are the same, inhale a stimulant into your lungs.... yet smokers are treated like dirt in the culture today.

Big Tobacco is ready go switching to marijuana. There is no way NJ and Tobacco are going to let people grow their own. Hard to believe people will be stopped on the street for public toking.

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The great thing about the weed/tax model is it scales locally, rather than being a disaster like casinos. It can be grown anywhere, so the entire economic impact can stay local, rather than sending the money elsewhere for wholesale product. I'd really have no problem if you could only sell NJ grown in NJ.

Tax schmax, Oregon is getting plenty of tax and it's still selling powerful weed for $8/g. Secondhand smoke? Is that really all you got? Clearly all the rules for public cigarette and alcohol consumption should apply. You can't legally light up in the streets in the states where it's currently legal. This is the "no place exists but us" crap that always pisses me off where people pretend there's no functioning models to look at.

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I read a conflicting report by VICE yesterday:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3j ... d-is-coming-to-new-jersey

"Democratic senator Nicholas Scutari, a longtime legalization advocate who sponsored New Jersey's medical marijuana law, introduced a bill in May permitting state residents age 21 and over to use small amounts of pot. Under the plan, New Jerseyans could carry, transport, or consume up to: one ounce of marijuana; 16 ounces or less of marijuana-infused product; 72 ounces or less of liquid pot, and seven grams of marijuana concentrate. They could also grow up to six "immature" pot plants, but, under the letter of the law, harvest their own bud at home. Customers would pay a 7 percent tax on marijuana sales in the first year pot was on sale in stores, and that would slowly escalate to 25 percent after several years of legalization."

I really wish there was a definitive answer to this, because the bill that was originally introduced outlawed home growing. I wonder if the bill was re-written to include home cultivation after Murphy's official win. Apparently, we would be the only recreational marijuana state that doesn't allow citizens to grow small amounts at home for personal use.


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Just seems to be a lot of hypocrisy in some of the things they do. Is 2nd hand marijuana smoke as bad as cigarettes? Seems to me inhaling anything other than fresh air into your lungs can't be good long term.




Is alcohol and or nicotine addiction anything wonderful or healthy?

Yet these have been legally sold for years on end and nicely taxed, sheeit we even created a special police force called the ATF to make sure the tariffs are collected & paid.

Marijuana is the next big thing, RJ Reynolds is said to have bought up tons of primo grow areas in Humbolt County, California
just waiting to package and get their chronic on the bodega shelfs - sorry no more nickel bags of that Columbian Gold bunk.

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oh... I understand. I just kind of smirk when the tax on a pack of cigarettes in NYC raises the price to $15 and the political anti-smoking nazis says the tax increase this a great incentive to make people quit.

Some how the tax increase on cigarettes is a good thing, cause it says lives. No... it creates financial opportunities for people to ship cigarettes in from out of state. Seems like 7%-25% tax increase over several years in NJ for marijuana sales is a deliberate strategy with the business owners. Why doesn't the NJ government just start at 25% tax outright? Marketing 101 says the entry price point makes it more affordable to more people. Something wrong with the government promoting this activity.


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Just seems to be a lot of hypocrisy in some of the things they do. Is 2nd hand marijuana smoke as bad as cigarettes? Seems to me inhaling anything other than fresh air into your lungs can't be good long term.




Is alcohol and or nicotine addiction anything wonderful or healthy?

Yet these have been legally sold for years on end and nicely taxed, sheeit we even created a special police force called the ATF to make sure the tariffs are collected & paid.

Marijuana is the next big thing, RJ Reynolds is said to have bought up tons of primo grow areas in Humbolt County, California
just waiting to package and get their chronic on the bodega shelfs - sorry no more nickel bags of that Columbian Gold bunk.

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As far as i am concerned most governments want their citizens stoned because they are easier to control.

Is that why marijuana and opiates have been illegal in the US and almost all states for decades?

And why the push to legalize marijuana has been pushed by the public in dozens of states, while the government in almost every one of those states has opposed legalization?


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The vice story said one NJ proposal wanted to start the tax at 7%, then after several years it would grow to 25%. No idea what alcohol is taxed at but it is pretty obvious the only thing they want is immediate increased usage and a new revenue stream that grows to feed their spending addiction.

Oooookay

First of all, alcohol is taxed at 12 cents a gallon for beer, 87.5 cents for wine, spirits $5.50.

Second, both governments and pro-pot advocates are openly saying they could use this to raise taxes.

Third, spending levels haven't changed much in NJ since at least 2009.

Finally, feel free to go over the NJ budget and tell us all what ought to be cut. You know that property tax relief is a huge chunk of spending, right? Maybe we can cut education spending, perhaps? Police? CHIP?


Not sure why you are worked up... the country spends billions on alcohol/drug/smoking/gambling abuse and awareness programs during a global opiate addiction problem. And here is NJ promoting marijuana and possibly jeopardizing the long term health of people for tax revenue.

Just seems to be a lot of hypocrisy in some of the things they do. Is 2nd hand marijuana smoke as bad as cigarettes? Seems to me inhaling anything other than fresh air into your lungs can't be good long term.


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As far as i am concerned most governments want their citizens stoned because they are easier to control.

Is that why marijuana and opiates have been illegal in the US and almost all states for decades?

And why the push to legalize marijuana has been pushed by the public in dozens of states, while the government in almost every one of those states has opposed legalization?

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The vice story said one NJ proposal wanted to start the tax at 7%, then after several years it would grow to 25%. No idea what alcohol is taxed at but it is pretty obvious the only thing they want is immediate increased usage and a new revenue stream that grows to feed their spending addiction.

Oooookay

First of all, alcohol is taxed at 12 cents a gallon for beer, 87.5 cents for wine, spirits $5.50.

Second, both governments and pro-pot advocates are openly saying they could use this to raise taxes.

Third, spending levels haven't changed much in NJ since at least 2009.

Finally, feel free to go over the NJ budget and tell us all what ought to be cut. You know that property tax relief is a huge chunk of spending, right? Maybe we can cut education spending, perhaps? Police? CHIP?


The state is looking for a big tax payday like Colorado.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-state ... nue-surpasses-500-million

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As far as i am concerned most governments want their citizens stoned because they are easier to control.

Is that why marijuana and opiates have been illegal in the US and almost all states for decades?

And why the push to legalize marijuana has been pushed by the public in dozens of states, while the government in almost every one of those states has opposed legalization?


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The vice story said one NJ proposal wanted to start the tax at 7%, then after several years it would grow to 25%. No idea what alcohol is taxed at but it is pretty obvious the only thing they want is immediate increased usage and a new revenue stream that grows to feed their spending addiction.

Oooookay

First of all, alcohol is taxed at 12 cents a gallon for beer, 87.5 cents for wine, spirits $5.50.

Second, both governments and pro-pot advocates are openly saying they could use this to raise taxes.

Third, spending levels haven't changed much in NJ since at least 2009.

Finally, feel free to go over the NJ budget and tell us all what ought to be cut. You know that property tax relief is a huge chunk of spending, right? Maybe we can cut education spending, perhaps? Police? CHIP?

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question - even though a state may legalize its sale, can't companies still drug test potential new employees? (or possibly even test existing employees at random?)

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By the time it's New Jersey's turn there's going to be plenty of established facts on the ground of how this business works in nearly half a dozen states. The only problem will be getting New Jersey politicians to admit that something exist outside of New Jersey.

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I walked into a recreational dispensary in Oregon last year, what a trip! Quart jars of bud lining the walls, each with a description and a test report, plus glass cases of concentrates and edibles. Plus knowledgeable salespeople to tell of the nuances of each "varietal". A far cry from the $30/oz mexi we smoked in college! (Does that date me?)


$15/oz for me (mid-late 60s). Those were the days......

....when the National Guard rolled through Baltimore after martial law was declared after the riots over the murder of Martin Luther King.

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