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Fulop: Raising the minimum wage to $15 is an opportunity for N.J. to lead | Opinion

By Star-Ledger Guest Columnist
March 12, 2016 at 10:11 AM

By Steve Fulop

I've always believed that actions speak louder than words. Whether it was leaving Wall Street in the days after 9/11 to enlist in the Marine Corps, taking on the corrupt political machine in Jersey City or leading the first administration in New Jersey to enact paid sick leave, actions and results have mattered — much more than just talking about getting things done.

In October 2015, I was among the first elected leaders in New Jersey, standing with my friend, Newark Mayor Ras Baraka, to advocate for an increase in the minimum wage to $15 per hour.

Q&A: Can N.J. absorb a minimum wage boost of up to $15 an hour?

And last week, after months of careful planning, I signed an executive order making Jersey City the first city in New Jersey to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour for municipal workers. Over 500 adult city employees — full- and part-time, seasonal and nonseasonal — will be impacted by this increase.

And, because we've managed our budget responsibly for the past three years with no tax increase, we were able to accomplish this without putting an extra burden on taxpayers. In fact, the minimum wage increase is already allowed for in 2016's tax-neutral budget.

Of course, this issue affects more than just Jersey City employees. Working families across New Jersey are struggling. Currently in this state, a minimum wage employee needs to work 13 hours a day and seven days a week just to make ends meet. This is outrageous and unfair to those who put in an honest day's work.

As proudly progressive as we are in New Jersey, too often we lag behind on issues such as this. From marriage equality to paid sick leave, environmental issues or the DREAM Act, I believe New Jersey should have led the charge in advancing these issues when they first came to be discussed. Instead, officials in Trenton failed to advance these issues — only following through once the path was already paved.

Raising the minimum wage is an opportunity for us to lead.

And we shouldn't delay, lest we fall behind again. As states across the nation propose phasing in the $15 minimum wage by 2021, some of our leaders in the New Jersey Senate have proposed a phase-in that wouldn't fully implement the wage increase until 2024.

New Jersey's working families have waited long enough. Now is not time for more rhetoric — it's time for action.

Steve Fulop is the Democratic mayor of Jersey City.

http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2 ... _to_15_is_an_opportu.html


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Dan, tax abated properties are not exempted from water and sewer bills. Both regular and tax abated properties will receive their annual increases next year of 3.75 for both water and sewer. My comment, if Fulop is going to be generous, be generous to the ratepayer. The MUA stated it had a $60 million surplus and wanted to return some of the money to rate payers when Fulop took the money. The surplus came about due to the perpetual annual increases. Every year, both taxes and water liens are sold to lien holders because some citizens cannot afford either their water or tax bills. Let's stop taking away their homes by reducing the rates especially water rates.

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while I think that this comment belongs better on the thread about the 2016 budget and if it was about fairness, the mua over payment should have been refunded to the payer, which includes tax abated properties. but, by instead transferring the funds into the budget and thereby reducing the amount of money needed to be raised by taxes, it only benefits property owners that pay conventional taxes and who would otherwise pay a property tax increase if this action was not done.

so, since none of the over payment is shared with those residents of tax abated homes, a greater benefit goes to those who pay conventional taxes. its like clawing back a little money from the tax abated properties.

like stalling on the property tax revaluation, it is not equitable, but you and I benefit.


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Now that Fulop is giving $15.00 to low wage earners, perhaps he can return our MUA overpayment, which is $31.5 million and stop the 3.75 increase in water and 3.75 increase in sewer rates for the following years. These are annual perpetual increases. If he is going to be generous, then remember the people who pay into the MUA.

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Now that Fulop is giving $15.00 to low wage earners, perhaps he can return our MUA overpayment, which is $31.5 million and stop the 3.75 increase in water and 3.75 increase in sewer rates for the following years. These are annual perpetual increases. If he is going to be generous, then remember the people who pay into the MUA.

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bodhipooh wrote: Also, the recent minimum wage increase in San Francisco offers some cautionary tales for proponents of such an increase in other cities. While many have benefited, some businesses (including some that supported the increase) have been forced to close their doors after being unable to turn a profit after their payroll costs increased so much.
San Jose, CA, on the other hand reports a positive impact of raising their minimum wage http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci ... ge-year-old-success-story.
Thanks for posting that link. I read through it, and it "felt" a little too slanted, so I did a quick search and discovered that the two authors were a professor and student that drafted the original petition to raise the minimum wage. Not quite impartial reporting. Regardless, I can't argue against their statements. I would only point out that the minimum wage in SF is currently $12.25, while in San Jose it is $10.30. That's a 20% difference, and one that is likely quite significant in the aggregate. Both of those minimum pale in comparison to Mayor Flop's minimum wage of $15, which is a full 45% higher than San Jose and, 20% higher than San Francisco. You do understand those are substantial percentages, right? Again, I do not begrudge a minimum wage worker a raise. This conversation is more of a philosophical diversion to me. I am neither in favor or against a minimum wage increase. Actually, I am in favor of some sort of raise. But, when cities act unilaterally, they may end up hurting the very same workers they are determined to help. If a worker is no longer able to qualify for state and federal benefits, like free healthcare, food stamps, financial assistance, etc, has the city actually helped them? Most people have VERY LITTLE grasp on finances, and they will not have the wherewithal to evaluate their overall financial plus/minus of a minimum wage increase and whether and how to limit the impact by perhaps working less hours, etc. Quote:
One might draw the conclusion that San Jose is a better example for Jersey City than San Fran, as we don't have the rampant income inequality driving up the cost of residential and commercial rents the way they do.
Where did you get this!? If anything, I think the opposite may be true. Jersey City strikes me as the classic example of a "tale of two cities". We have condos and brownstones that exceed one million dollars abutting dilapidated and poor properties. Do you have some sort of misplaced idea of income equality across JC?? From Greenville to DTJC you will find everything between true poverty and millionaires. When I volunteer at the local soup kitchen, I am always a bit alarmed by the ever increasing amount of people we are helping and feeding on a regular basis, and a lot (most?) of these people are residents in DTJC. In any case, the point I am trying to make is that we have some serious income inequality in this city, much more serious than the average person may realize.

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Also, the recent minimum wage increase in San Francisco offers some cautionary tales for proponents of such an increase in other cities. While many have benefited, some businesses (including some that supported the increase) have been forced to close their doors after being unable to turn a profit after their payroll costs increased so much.


There are several articles about the bookstore in SF closing, the owner also noted the impact of escalating rents and competition from Amazon. That doesn't mean it won't be important to look at the types of business that employ people at such a low wage - most are in service industries such as food and health that are "sticky", i.e. where jobs are less likely to be shipped overseas. I doubt food prep and providing health services are repetitive enough to merit developing automation for those positions.

San Jose, CA, on the other hand reports a positive impact of raising their minimum wage http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci ... ge-year-old-success-story. One might draw the conclusion that San Jose is a better example for Jersey City than San Fran, as we don't have the rampant income inequality driving up the cost of residential and commercial rents the way they do.

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My wife works for a govt. program that hires $10/hr. Many if not all of these employees qualify for wic foodstamps and a housing allowance. These benefits already extend them past 15/hr. Since the increase is happening on a city level the govt will not chant the income levels required for these programs. This means they will lose the benefit. So in the end what does it accomplish except as many point out votes.

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By the way, if you support this idea, could you explain why 15? Why not 20? Or 150 for that matter? Would it not be better if everyone was paid 150? Wouldn't people live better?

How did you arrive at the number, and why do you not want to go for a higher one?


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Fulop is also saying he does no need the consent of the City Council. This is how he would operate as governor.

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Is it me or is the reporting behind this kind of vague? The headlines almost make it seem like Fulop legalized a $15 min. wage for ALL JC workers not just JC public sector employees.

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Conservatives and corporate lobbyists have been fighting improving the minimum wage since 1937 - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-d ... imum-wage-_b_2750336.html

Good for Mayor Fulop - along with mayors and governors in other places - for standing up to the status quo.


The first part of your post may be right, but the irony with the "fight for fifteen" movement is exactly what jerseymom highlighted. The additional increase in wages may very well push many of its beneficiaries into income levels that preclude them from availing themselves of other government largesse and benefits. That could have serious consequences for many individuals and families.

Also, the recent minimum wage increase in San Francisco offers some cautionary tales for proponents of such an increase in other cities. While many have benefited, some businesses (including some that supported the increase) have been forced to close their doors after being unable to turn a profit after their payroll costs increased so much.

For the record, I am neither advocating nor speaking against a minimum wage increase. It is inconsequential to me. Just highlighting some not-so-obvious aspects of the conversation.

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The first minimum wage laws were pushed by democrats to protect the low-skilled jobs of whites back in the early century. This was because when blacks started to enter the workforce in large numbers they undercut the wages that whites were already getting in various types of low-skilled jobs. The white workers complained. So democratic politicians pushed for minimum wage laws so that it was impossible for blacks to offer their services at a lower price then whites. The result was that the unemployment rate for blacks grew much higher than that of whites.

The unemployment rate of blacks when compared to whites has been growing ever since - in lock-step with each increase in the minimum wage.

Clearly the minimum wage has done nothing but hurt the people its proponents "say" it helps. The only thing it has been good at is getting votes for politicians like Fulop.

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Conservatives and corporate lobbyists have been fighting improving the minimum wage since 1937 - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-d ... imum-wage-_b_2750336.html

Good for Mayor Fulop - along with mayors and governors in other places - for standing up to the status quo.

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http://www.aei.org/publication/early- ... the-nation-not-to-follow/

http://www.the-american-interest.com/ ... mum-wage-hikes-cost-jobs/

You can't cheat the laws of Nature. If you force employers to pay rates than higher what economics of their business dictates, they will cut service, cut hours, or they will simply replace humans with machines. It's not hard to make a machine to flip burgers.

Oh, and as a Mayor, Fulop is supposed to represent the taxpayers, not our employees. He is supposed to look after our financial interests, not theirs. This is his fiduciary duty, his obligation.

If he feels like he should represent the workers, he should resign as a mayor and then negotiate with a new mayor on their behalf.

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Fulop Issues Executive Order to Raise City Workers’ Pay to $15 an-hour

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As Trenton lawmakers try to line up a way forward on a statewide minimum wage and stare at numerous hurdles in the way, including a veto-threatening Gov. Chris Christie, Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop this morning announced that he readjusted to $15 the minimum wage paid to all of his city employees.

There are 3,000 city workers in Jersey City. The order impacts those making the state minimum wage of $8.38 per hour and will cost the city between $1 million to $1.2 million in the budget this year.

“Today, Jersey City will be first city in New Jersey to enact a $15 minimum wage for all of our employees that work for city government,” said Fulop in a statement. “I can’t in good conscience advocate for something we haven’t implemented ourselves. So today, I signed an Executive Order that will adjust the salaries of 500 employees (nearly a quarter of the city’s work force) to ensure that working for Jersey City provides a base salary, which allows you to live in this region.


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Legislators Weigh in on Competing $15 Minimum Wage Bills

New Jersey’s Democratic legislators want to raise the state’s minimum wage to $15 per hour, they just don’t agree on how that bump in wages should be approached. Assembly Speaker Vincent Prieto (D-32) wants wages immediately boosted from where they sit at $8.38 per hour and has introduced a bill that would go through the regular legislative process to do so. Senate President Steve Sweeney (D-3) has said that he will propose a constitutional amendment that would increase wages incrementally to $15 by 2024. Sweeney’s approach would put the question on the 2017 ballot, bypass Republican Governor Chris Christie and, potentially, avoid his veto pen.

The setup for the $15 minimum wage debate is similar to a disagreement the two legislators recently had about opening casinos in North Jersey. While they were eventually able to come to an agreement (which favored Sweeney), the debate was the source of serious contention.


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So now Prieto is a fan of the 'trickle down theory', lol?

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Prieto, Wisniewski, Lesniak Introduce $15 Minimum Wage Bill

Assembly Speaker Prieto, Assemblyman Wisniewski, Senator Lesniak Introduce $15 Minimum Wage Bill

Workers & Advocates Praise Sponsors, Say Raise Would Give Big Boost to Working Families & Economy

Trenton – Legislators joined NJ Working Families and its partners in New Jersey’s Fight for $15 to unveil a groundbreaking bill that would raise New Jersey’s minimum wage to $15 from its current level of $8.38. Workers and advocates praised the bill as a major step forward in the Fight for $15 campaign to raise the state’s minimum wage to a family-sustaining wage.

 

“As we continue to review other proposals as part of our new anti-poverty initiative, this will be an integral component in our efforts to stop the decline in the middle class and lift working families out of poverty,” said  Assembly Speaker Vincent Prieto, a sponsor of the bill. “The constitutional minimum wage that we established a few years ago set a floor, not a ceiling.  While that was the best and most feasible thing we could do at the time, we now need to strive for better to reverse the poverty trend in this state.”


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Raising the N.J. minimum wage simply makes sense | Editorial

By Times of Trenton Editorial Board
December 18, 2015 at 5:10 AM

Nobody wakes up one morning and says, "I hope I get a job that pays minimum wages when I grow up!"

But in today's economy, many workers – most of them industrious, well-meaning men and women – find themselves cashing a weekly paycheck that barely stretches to cover food, medical expenses and housing.

Last week, the Mercer County Board of Chosen Freeholders took note of their struggles. With a resolution supporting a $15 statewide minimum wage, the lawmakers joined their counterparts in Essex and Hudson counties in a campaign to upgrade the lives of the state's rapidly dwindling middle class.

On the municipal level, Jersey City has also signed on.

They're all part of an initiative led by New Jersey Working Families Alliance, which hopes to spread the word that the state's current minimum wage of $8.38 an hour is too low to sustain a family.

Read more:  http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2 ... mply_makes_sense_edi.html


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K even thought this topic has nothing to do with JC per se (which is a pet peeve of mine) I thought I'd chime and and and state the obvious: HELLO NO ONE is forcing ANYONE to work at ANY minimum wage/fast food (or barely above minimum wage) job so if you aren't happy with what they pay JUST DON'T work there!!!!!!!!!!!! It's REALLY that simple because last time I checked the Gov't isn't putting a gun to ANYONES head and forcing ANYONE to get a crappy, thankless minimum wage (or barley above it) job at McDonald's!!!!

.....and for those who are gonna chime in about parents who have to provide for their child/children working at a minimum wage job and how that's next to impossible (which I don't dispute one bit) HELLO if you have a child/children to raise and can only find work at a minimum wage job all I can say is SHAME on you for making such a god awful horrific life decision and subjecting your innocent children to the terrible consequences of your god awful horrific life decision!!!


...for the record I'm not even a Republican (Libertarian)

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And yet they still have issues requiring large amounts of housing subsidies, price controls on drugs, and a new supplemental system for inadequate savings.


What's your point? I know the comparison was raised because a poster who was obviously unaware of how things work in other countries tried to act like eliminating a minimum wage is utter insanity.

Singapore conclusively proves that wrong. But as we all know, the "progressive" alternative extreme of a $100 an hour minimum wage is actually pure insanity.

Not saying we should copy Singapore, but they serve as a great real world example to combat "progressive" ignorance.

Now then, there still are some very important questions you keep dodging. What is the rationale for not raising our minimum wage to $100? More importantly, where did this $15 figure come from? Was it drawn from a hat? Chosen for the alliteration?

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And yet they still have issues requiring large amounts of housing subsidies, price controls on drugs, and a new supplemental system for inadequate savings.

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I found this:

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore ... ehold-income-and-spending


About 15 years ago I spent some time in Singapore. The paraphrase PJ O'Rouke, it is everything a South Asian city shouldn't be: Clean, well organized, expensive, and boring as hell. Though after trying to travel around Bangkok (pre Sky Train days), the Singapore public transport system was awesome.

Poor.. no.. Closest to poverty you will find are a bunch of low paid Filipina nannies and maids brought in as temporary labor.

Miserable? Might have a point there. Authoritarian, hyper-competitive society... compared to Thailand (aka. The Land of Smiles) Singapore is not a place I would describe as 'cheerful'.

I don't want to give the impression that we should be Singapore. However, I think we can learn a lot from how they did their social safety net and encouraged massive economic growth vs. how we have done for ourselves.

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Looks like my mistake..


I went to respond to your post but you edited it before I could respond. At least for the benefit of others, you should repost that link which proves the government reports monthly household income numbers.

And yeah, with a median household income of $100,000, I'm sure Singaporeans are as miserable as you keep claiming.

Look what their decision to remove the minimum wage did to everyone!!

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The Gini Coefficient for Singapore is terrible, and the standard of living is based on household income, not GDP, most of which goes to the very wealthy.

Which means the terrible income distribution is even worse.

I don't see how that is in any way admirable?


Continuing to spout incorrect information stemming from ignorance? Please show where Singapore's annual median household income is $8,300.

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