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For WTC commuters shut out at Grove:
Take the Newark train back to Harrison not JSQ. JSQ is frequently as bad as Grove now and Harrison is only 3 minutes away and frequently much more civilized. It's pretty annoying to take the train backward to JSQ and still get shut out of one or two trains. Particularly between 8 and 9am.

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Well, don't tell too many people about it, then everyone will get the same idea and it won't work too well anymore.


Laugh…, it’s no secret at this point. When Grove is crazy in the morning, I’ll catch a train to JSQ to get the 33rd train. All my friends do the same. And friends at Newport do a similar shuffle to Hoboken for the 33rd train. The over-crowding is so bad I’m considered making that route my routine. I’m over trains arriving so full at Grove that I can’t get on. PATH is an over-crowded mess, getting worse by the day.

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Well now when trying to get on a train @ 33rd station it is packed out with riders coming up from 23rd who already grabbed a seat.

Amazing how when doors opened half the ppl in the car stayed in place, maybe it's a life hack I'll need to start doing as well.

I used to do that on hot summer late evenings from 9th Street - why wait for the same train to come back down 15 minutes later packed full of people? Ride in comfort.


Yeah this is my late-night go-to maneuver, as well.


Well, don't tell too many people about it, then everyone will get the same idea and it won't work too well anymore.

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Ditto. Any other transit agency in the world, you'd likely get a seat between midnight and 4am. But in PATH they run so few trains that it's standing room only, even worse than rush hour sometimes.

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Well now when trying to get on a train @ 33rd station it is packed out with riders coming up from 23rd who already grabbed a seat.

Amazing how when doors opened half the ppl in the car stayed in place, maybe it's a life hack I'll need to start doing as well.

I used to do that on hot summer late evenings from 9th Street - why wait for the same train to come back down 15 minutes later packed full of people? Ride in comfort.


Yeah this is my late-night go-to maneuver, as well.

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Well now when trying to get on a train @ 33rd station it is packed out with riders coming up from 23rd who already grabbed a seat.

Amazing how when doors opened half the ppl in the car stayed in place, maybe it's a life hack I'll need to start doing as well.

I used to do that on hot summer late evenings from 9th Street - why wait for the same train to come back down 15 minutes later packed full of people? Ride in comfort.


Yeah this is my late-night go-to maneuver, as well.

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Well now when trying to get on a train @ 33rd station it is packed out with riders coming up from 23rd who already grabbed a seat.

Amazing how when doors opened half the ppl in the car stayed in place, maybe it's a life hack I'll need to start doing as well.

I used to do that on hot summer late evenings from 9th Street - why wait for the same train to come back down 15 minutes later packed full of people? Ride in comfort.

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Well now when trying to get on a train @ 33rd station it is packed out with riders coming up from 23rd who already grabbed a seat.

Amazing how when doors opened half the ppl in the car stayed in place, maybe it's a life hack I'll need to start doing as well.


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Can anyone explain the logic behind the elevator at Grove Street? I'm actually surprised this hasn't come up before.

To call the elevator, one must push - AND THEN HOLD - the button, until the elevator arrives.

Once on the damn thing, the passenger must push and hold the button until the elevator reaches its destination. Let go, and you're stuck between floors. And it's not just pushing the button, you really have to lean into it, hard.

It is an awkward maneuver for the able-bodied. I cannot imagine how an elderly person with a walker or a wheelchair-bound passenger could comfortably accomplish this.

I used the elevator because I had my hands full of heavy luggage. Oh hey, there's a button I need to press and hold my full body weight into. Handy.

In typical Port Authority manner, they've taken something simple, and made it complicated.

And how is this even ADA-compliant?


Unbelievable. It's like they've gone it that way to design it that poorly out of spite. I would relish is this was also found to be non ADA compliant and they're forced to rework it again.

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Anyone know the full story about the stairs at the south end of the 33rd Street station?

All I've been able to find is that it's closed for renovations.

They've been saying "open early 2018" from the start.

http://www.on-track-on-line.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=71442

https://www.panynj.gov/alerts-advisories/advisories_path.html



Thanks. I guess I confused the date with the renovation of the MTA stairwell at the same station (32nd & Broadway), which was closed from Aug or Sept until 12/28/17 for renovation, and is now reopened.

I wonder why the PATH stairs renovation is taking so much longer. Did Calatrava design it?

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Anyone know the full story about the stairs at the south end of the 33rd Street station?

All I've been able to find is that it's closed for renovations.

They've been saying "open early 2018" from the start.

http://www.on-track-on-line.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=71442

https://www.panynj.gov/alerts-advisories/advisories_path.html




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Can anyone explain the logic behind the elevator at Grove Street? I'm actually surprised this hasn't come up before.

To call the elevator, one must push - AND THEN HOLD - the button, until the elevator arrives.

Once on the damn thing, the passenger must push and hold the button until the elevator reaches its destination. Let go, and you're stuck between floors. And it's not just pushing the button, you really have to lean into it, hard.

It is an awkward maneuver for the able-bodied. I cannot imagine how an elderly person with a walker or a wheelchair-bound passenger could comfortably accomplish this.

I used the elevator because I had my hands full of heavy luggage. Oh hey, there's a button I need to press and hold my full body weight into. Handy.

In typical Port Authority manner, they've taken something simple, and made it complicated.

And how is this even ADA-compliant?

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Anyone know the full story about the stairs at the south end of the 33rd Street station?

I thought the sign said they'd be closed through the end of 2017. Today I hoped to use them, but the sign now says they're closed "through early 2018." That sign may have been changed months ago, for all I know.

I'm just wondering what could they possibly be doing that the stairs are closed for 4 months (and counting)?

Google searching and PATH website searching hasn't yielded any information.

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Who would that be? It's on the sidewalk between the covering of the staircase and the building. Is there someone on the other end of the see-click and fix that has a rapid response pooper scoop?

(I didn't originally put this in the PATH thread - it got moved here.)

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I hope you reported to someone who can actually do something about it as well.

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Might want to avoid the PATH entrance on the SE corner of Grove and Columbus. Somebody took a dump alongside the stairs. From the looks of it, a large, well-fed someone.

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Man seriously hurt in fall at World Trade Center Oculus

POSTED 12:49 PM, AUGUST 1, 2017, BY SAMANTHA TATA, UPDATED AT 01:11PM, AUGUST 1, 2017

MANHATTAN — A man was seriously hurt Tuesday when he fell inside the Oculus at the World Trade Center, FDNY said.

The victim plummeted about 25 to 30 feet inside the transit hub and shopping center, fire officials said. He suffered serious traumatic injury.

FDNY said they received an emergency call shortly after 12 p.m. EMS transported a patient from 185 Greenwich St., the address of Westfield World Trade Center, to the hospital in serious condition.

Additional details were not immediately available.

A witness shared video from inside the Oculus, showing a wide police perimeter set up inside the transit hub around what appears to be a messenger bag.

In February, a woman died after plunging 30 feet off the side of an escalator at the Oculus.

http://pix11.com/2017/08/01/man-serio ... orld-trade-center-oculus/

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/08/01/fall-inside-wtc-oculus/

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How Santiago Calatrava was awarded the design for this is beyond me. The man has been sued so many times for leaks. He is known for a good visual aesthetic, but poor follow through.

IIRC there weren't many suits when he won the competition. It was quite some time ago, after all.

It's not really clear that the leaks are Calatrava's fault. It's not like these buildings are designed to leak, and architects have limited control over the GC and subcontractors.

Plus, when something goes wrong in a building, everyone gets sued, even "starchitects." It's mostly a game to wring money out of the insurers.

What Calatrava is on the hook for are some of the inflated costs, as his designs are rather expensive to construct. Even in that respect, there were a lot of factors that drove the cost of the Oculus through the roof, such as demanding more steel in the structure, or Bloomberg demanding an accelerated schedule.

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How Santiago Calatrava was awarded the design for this is beyond me. The man has been sued so many times for leaks. He is known for a good visual aesthetic, but poor follow through.

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Leaky Ceiling Still A Problem At WTC Oculus

July 20, 2017 5:44 PM

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — There were sunshine and dry skies Thursday, but, still, water was leaking from the ceiling at the World Trade Center Oculus transportation hub.

It also happened in May, but the Port Authority said the problem had been fixed.

As CBS2’s Tony Aiello reported, a worker mopped up water while buckets collected the stuff dripping from the ceiling.

“It leaks when it rains,” said Oculus visitor Janet Parson. “No, it’s not raining (Thursday), but it’s worse when it rains. But there’s always a leak, almost always a leak.”

It’s a blemish on what some consider one of the great public spaces in the world.

The leaky ceiling is just down the stairs from the great hall of the Oculus, the soaring space was designed by star architect Santiago Calatrava, which came in seven years late and $2 billion over budget.

One informed estimate has Calatrava collecting more than $50 million for his design work at the site, one of the greatest paydays in the history of architecture.

Critics say his ambitious designs often lead to problems. The facade at a Spanish opera house had to be stripped because tiles kept falling off, while the owner of a winery sued Calatrava over the leaky roof.

“His designs are pretty cool, but he had a lot of problems with overcost, especially like it always costed more than what’s expected,” said Albero Armenbariz, a tourist from Calatrava’s native Spain.

The Oculus was an enormous and complicated project. But the Port Authority says the leaks aren’t a consequence of the design, blaming “outside third party construction work,” apparently at 3 World Trade Center next door.

The Port Authority says engineers are working on a fix.

Until then, buckets are an unintended addition to the spectacular space.

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On north end of downtown platform (back of the train) go down the stairs as if going to the uptown train, walk towards uptown platform, look around for the station turnstiles and you see sign for WTC/PATH - follow that and you should find the exit to the long corridor to Occulus.


Found it, thanks! I never would have found it without those instructions, and still, it wasn't so easy.

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Embarrassing question. I recently began taking the WTC PATH to the 4/5 train. I can't seem to find the underground passage from the downtown subway to the Oculus. I don't have an issue the other way, from the PATH to the 4/5 train. I never see any workers around to ask. Help!


On north end of downtown platform (back of the train) go down the stairs as if going to the uptown train, walk towards uptown platform, look around for the station turnstiles and you see sign for WTC/PATH - follow that and you should find the exit to the long corridor to Occulus.

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Embarrassing question. I recently began taking the WTC PATH to the 4/5 train. I can't seem to find the underground passage from the downtown subway to the Oculus. I don't have an issue the other way, from the PATH to the 4/5 train. I never see any workers around to ask. Help!


I have yet to find the way out of that Escher drawing. have given up trying, and just go right to street level and find my way to the PATH overground.

another odd PATH/subway connection: the A/C.
signs in the occulus point commuters towards the Fulton Street stop, which takes forever to find and involves numerous staircases. on the other hand, following signs to the E train puts you a short easy underground walk from the Chambers Street A/C.

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Don't be embarrassed. I have heard the same thing from other people. Something about the layout seems to throw off most people's sense of direction. I am able to make my way to/from but, off the top of my head, I can't come up with good, clear directions. I guess I will have to pay closer attention next time I am at Fulton. I do seem to recall some PATH "signs" being added recently to help with this problem. You know, the typical MTA signs that have a name and a "general direction" arrow.


Whew, I thought it was only me. There are signs for the PATH but I wind up outside on Fulton St., at least the signs I've followed. It's not a big deal but it would be nice not to have to go outside in inclement weather. I suppose I can figure it out by going to the downtown side of the subway from the WTC and trace my steps from there.


Just a few weeks ago I heard from two different people that instead of getting off at Fulton they ride the subway to Chambers, as they always get lost when trying to navigate from Fulton. So, definitely not just you.

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Don't be embarrassed. I have heard the same thing from other people. Something about the layout seems to throw off most people's sense of direction. I am able to make my way to/from but, off the top of my head, I can't come up with good, clear directions. I guess I will have to pay closer attention next time I am at Fulton. I do seem to recall some PATH "signs" being added recently to help with this problem. You know, the typical MTA signs that have a name and a "general direction" arrow.


Whew, I thought it was only me. There are signs for the PATH but I wind up outside on Fulton St., at least the signs I've followed. It's not a big deal but it would be nice not to have to go outside in inclement weather. I suppose I can figure it out by going to the downtown side of the subway from the WTC and trace my steps from there.

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Embarrassing question. I recently began taking the WTC PATH to the 4/5 train. I can't seem to find the underground passage from the downtown subway to the Oculus. I don't have an issue the other way, from the PATH to the 4/5 train. I never see any workers around to ask. Help!


Don't be embarrassed. I have heard the same thing from other people. Something about the layout seems to throw off most people's sense of direction. I am able to make my way to/from but, off the top of my head, I can't come up with good, clear directions. I guess I will have to pay closer attention next time I am at Fulton. I do seem to recall some PATH "signs" being added recently to help with this problem. You know, the typical MTA signs that have a name and a "general direction" arrow.

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Embarrassing question. I recently began taking the WTC PATH to the 4/5 train. I can't seem to find the underground passage from the downtown subway to the Oculus. I don't have an issue the other way, from the PATH to the 4/5 train. I never see any workers around to ask. Help!

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May 29, 2017 | 4:43pm

The Oculus is still leaking.

The rain this past week caused puddles and slick floors near the balconies and elevators on both sides of Ground Zero’s $4 billion transit hub, and, at this point, the problem is considered chronic.

“There are leaks on this side and that side, those two balconies, by the elevators, and then the back also. It’s a mess,” said one maintenance worker. “We soak it up and drain it. It’s a lot of work. It’s nonstop.”

Earlier this month, Port Authority officials put the blame for the leak on a nearby construction project and promised to fix it. On Friday, the agency issued an astonishing statement denying that the Oculus is still leaking.

“There were no leaks in the Oculus this week,” spokesman Steve Coleman said, even though a Post reporter saw the leaks firsthand. The water often leaves the marble floor feeling more like an impromptu ice skating rink, making it dangerous for visitors.

“People do have accidents. Like the last rainy day, somebody almost broke their neck here on the marble,” said the maintenance worker. The woman was walking down the stairs when she slid on a puddle, he said. “They slipped and they really hurt themselves because, you know, these are marble floors.”

Workers at the site say the construction of the ambitious building was a rush job that left many loose ends. Even thought the Oculus opened in August, construction workers are still putting the finishing touches on it because there was so much left undone, they said.

“Everything is not done so you’ve have to come back and do it,” said construction worker Shawn Cumberbatch, 41, who was caulking a seam in the main room that had been left unsealed for months. “They just wasted a lot of cash over here. This should have been done. If they just took their time and got it right the first time, we wouldn’t have this problem.”

The Santiago Calatrava-designed PATH terminal, which also houses several luxury retailers, opened in March 2016 — seven years behind schedule and $2 billion over budget. The mall portion of the building opened in August.

Not only is the building still suffering from leaks and holes, but the design of the building makes the interior weather very uncomfortable, say retail workers who have to spend all day on the floor.

“They didn’t put much thought into the construction itself. It’s half-assed,” said Stephany Rivera, 23, an assistant manager at children’s clothing and toy store Kingkow. “It’s frustrating. It’s heat. You feel heat in here, you feel nothing out there. You expected this place to be cool with so many vents like that, but nothing. There’s just no wind. You just feet hot.”

Even the new escalators are also already perpetually breaking, say workers.

“The escalators constantly mess up,” said the maintenance man. “Sometimes they just get stuck.”

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How can it be a "rush job" when they went over their timeline and also budget? I hope they have enough PATH employees to lay out the mats and dry up the floors when it rains. Pathetic!

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By Danielle Furfaro and Stephanie Pagones
May 29, 2017 | 4:43pm

The Oculus is still leaking.

The rain this past week caused puddles and slick floors near the balconies and elevators on both sides of Ground Zero’s $4 billion transit hub, and, at this point, the problem is considered chronic.

“There are leaks on this side and that side, those two balconies, by the elevators, and then the back also. It’s a mess,” said one maintenance worker. “We soak it up and drain it. It’s a lot of work. It’s nonstop.”

Earlier this month, Port Authority officials put the blame for the leak on a nearby construction project and promised to fix it. On Friday, the agency issued an astonishing statement denying that the Oculus is still leaking.

“There were no leaks in the Oculus this week,” spokesman Steve Coleman said, even though a Post reporter saw the leaks firsthand. The water often leaves the marble floor feeling more like an impromptu ice skating rink, making it dangerous for visitors.

“People do have accidents. Like the last rainy day, somebody almost broke their neck here on the marble,” said the maintenance worker. The woman was walking down the stairs when she slid on a puddle, he said. “They slipped and they really hurt themselves because, you know, these are marble floors.”

Workers at the site say the construction of the ambitious building was a rush job that left many loose ends. Even thought the Oculus opened in August, construction workers are still putting the finishing touches on it because there was so much left undone, they said.

“Everything is not done so you’ve have to come back and do it,” said construction worker Shawn Cumberbatch, 41, who was caulking a seam in the main room that had been left unsealed for months. “They just wasted a lot of cash over here. This should have been done. If they just took their time and got it right the first time, we wouldn’t have this problem.”

The Santiago Calatrava-designed PATH terminal, which also houses several luxury retailers, opened in March 2016 — seven years behind schedule and $2 billion over budget. The mall portion of the building opened in August.

Not only is the building still suffering from leaks and holes, but the design of the building makes the interior weather very uncomfortable, say retail workers who have to spend all day on the floor.

“They didn’t put much thought into the construction itself. It’s half-assed,” said Stephany Rivera, 23, an assistant manager at children’s clothing and toy store Kingkow. “It’s frustrating. It’s heat. You feel heat in here, you feel nothing out there. You expected this place to be cool with so many vents like that, but nothing. There’s just no wind. You just feet hot.”

Even the new escalators are also already perpetually breaking, say workers.

“The escalators constantly mess up,” said the maintenance man. “Sometimes they just get stuck.”

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