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Obama was laying down for Putin before he took office, while Trump bombed the crap out of his ally in Syria. Putin had a bitch in the White House, but it ain't Trump.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nuc ... dev-idUSBRE82P0JI20120326

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Comrades, thank you for good spin. If we only pay attention to fake news it would appear that Trump going under and Pence clutching a life preserver and drooling at door of oval office.

Trump make Russia great again!


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They are completely brainwashed. There isn't much point talking to them.

Pot, meet kettle.

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Democrats think the Rooskies released the horrifyingly embarrassing DNC collusion information, so they want revenge-even though whoever leaked it was just exposing the truth on how the Democrats tried to game the election. Fauxrage.

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I chased this story for a year and he just...tweeted it out.

I...worked on this story for a year...and...he just...he tweeted it out.

Like. I spent hours and days and weeks and months. And his son just, hit tweet.

I tracked down sources. Followed so many dead leads. Labored over this. And then, he just, you know, tweeted out the proof.

Like, so many people out there were trying to track this down. And it just...got delivered on a tweet. What the hell.

https://twitter.com/JYSexton



Yup he worked hard on this story... appears the woman in question doesn't even have a law office in Russia... this sounds more like an Obama DOJ political sting.

Another useless creative writing professor used to leak information like Comey's buttboy.

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am I the only one here that feels this is the most embarrassing 4 years of American History, voting this man into the presidency?


...and Hillary would have been better?

Seriously?

The only candidate with any gravitas in that election, as much as I hate that commie, was Sanders.

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I chased this story for a year and he just...tweeted it out.

I...worked on this story for a year...and...he just...he tweeted it out.

Like. I spent hours and days and weeks and months. And his son just, hit tweet.

I tracked down sources. Followed so many dead leads. Labored over this. And then, he just, you know, tweeted out the proof.

Like, so many people out there were trying to track this down. And it just...got delivered on a tweet. What the hell.

https://twitter.com/JYSexton

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am I the only one here that feels this is the most embarrassing 4 years of American History, voting this man into the presidency?


It is absolutely embarrassing, makes Bush x2 and Reagan look somewhat appealing in comparison.


Please! No one was ever attacked the way GWB was. He got it maybe worse the Trump. You guys just focus on what the media tells you so the more they report the more upset you get. Why hasn't Hillary's collusion with the Ukraine got u just as upset?


They are completely brainwashed. There isn't much point talking to them.

What Hillary did with the Ukraine was worse because her people affirmatively asked their Ukrainian contact to get an interview with the Ukrainian President to find out more. He declined, but directed embassy staff to be helpful, which they were.

"The Politico report also notes that the DNC encouraged Chalupa to try to arrange an interview with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to talk about Manafort’s ties to the former pro-Russia president of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, whom Manafort previously advised.

The embassy declined to arrange the meeting but was nevertheless “helpful,” Chalupa told Politico. “If I asked a question, they would provide guidance, or if there was someone I needed to follow up with,” she said, but added that “There were no documents given, nothing like that.”

Chalupa also told Politico that the Ukrainian embassy worked directly with reporters in uncovering dirt on Manafort and Trump."

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/10/eve ... the-same-thing-as-don-jr/

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am I the only one here that feels this is the most embarrassing 4 years of American History, voting this man into the presidency?


It is absolutely embarrassing, makes Bush x2 and Reagan look somewhat appealing in comparison.


Please! No one was ever attacked the way GWB was. He got it maybe worse the Trump. You guys just focus on what the media tells you so the more they report the more upset you get. Why hasn't Hillary's collusion with the Ukraine got u just as upset?


Live in whatever reality you want but I lived then too. GWB was pretty incompetent but not a complete snake oil salesman.

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am I the only one here that feels this is the most embarrassing 4 years of American History, voting this man into the presidency?


It is absolutely embarrassing, makes Bush x2 and Reagan look somewhat appealing in comparison.


Please! No one was ever attacked the way GWB was. He got it maybe worse the Trump. You guys just focus on what the media tells you so the more they report the more upset you get. Why hasn't Hillary's collusion with the Ukraine got u just as upset?

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It is absolutely embarrassing, makes Bush x2 and Reagan look somewhat appealing in comparison.

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am I the only one here that feels this is the most embarrassing 4 years of American History, voting this man into the presidency?

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Donald Trump Jr *literally* posted his emails online which admit to collusion. This isn't up for debate anymore. The evidence is right there for everyone to see.

On top of that, the illegitimate president stated yesterday that he did NOT talk about sanctions with Putin during their meeting. Today, Huckabee-Sanders stated that he did.

It's fine and dandy if you want to say that you support a conservative agenda. It is a wholly different matter to support a man that has colluded with foreign governments that wish harm on Americans in order to steal an election.

Congratulations! Trump supporters are now officially supporting a traitor!


Trumps son took a meeting and while Jr and Sr were private citizens. Where is the crime? The Russian's actions are basically the same tatics activest James Okeefe uses. The left usually has a problem with this


DERP. The son and the son-in-law, both employed as advisors along with the campaign manager took the meeting to collect info against the Clinton campaign. They did so with a foreign entity. They admitted it. Junior is in deep shit. He lawyered up.


Derp? Is this what you are referring to:

Your common DeRp wants government spending and lots of it. DeRps don't care if they have to borrow it's only important that all of their choice interest groups (hobbies) are fed at the end of the day.

This is the definition of the Democratic party. You shouldn't use words you don't understand

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Donald Trump Jr *literally* posted his emails online which admit to collusion. This isn't up for debate anymore. The evidence is right there for everyone to see.

On top of that, the illegitimate president stated yesterday that he did NOT talk about sanctions with Putin during their meeting. Today, Huckabee-Sanders stated that he did.

It's fine and dandy if you want to say that you support a conservative agenda. It is a wholly different matter to support a man that has colluded with foreign governments that wish harm on Americans in order to steal an election.

Congratulations! Trump supporters are now officially supporting a traitor!


Trumps son took a meeting and while Jr and Sr were private citizens. Where is the crime? The Russian's actions are basically the same tatics activest James Okeefe uses. The left usually has a problem with this


DERP. The son and the son-in-law, both employed as advisors along with the campaign manager took the meeting to collect info against the Clinton campaign. They did so with a foreign entity. They admitted it. Junior is in deep shit. He lawyered up.


I bet he's fine. He's clearly not worried, considering he's appearing on Hannity tonight at 10 to talk about it.


I'm sure Hannity will get to the truth!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

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Donald Trump Jr *literally* posted his emails online which admit to collusion. This isn't up for debate anymore. The evidence is right there for everyone to see.

On top of that, the illegitimate president stated yesterday that he did NOT talk about sanctions with Putin during their meeting. Today, Huckabee-Sanders stated that he did.

It's fine and dandy if you want to say that you support a conservative agenda. It is a wholly different matter to support a man that has colluded with foreign governments that wish harm on Americans in order to steal an election.

Congratulations! Trump supporters are now officially supporting a traitor!


Trumps son took a meeting and while Jr and Sr were private citizens. Where is the crime? The Russian's actions are basically the same tatics activest James Okeefe uses. The left usually has a problem with this


DERP. The son and the son-in-law, both employed as advisors along with the campaign manager took the meeting to collect info against the Clinton campaign. They did so with a foreign entity. They admitted it. Junior is in deep shit. He lawyered up.


I bet he's fine. He's clearly not worried, considering he's appearing on Hannity tonight at 10 to talk about it.

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Donald Trump Jr *literally* posted his emails online which admit to collusion. This isn't up for debate anymore. The evidence is right there for everyone to see.

On top of that, the illegitimate president stated yesterday that he did NOT talk about sanctions with Putin during their meeting. Today, Huckabee-Sanders stated that he did.

It's fine and dandy if you want to say that you support a conservative agenda. It is a wholly different matter to support a man that has colluded with foreign governments that wish harm on Americans in order to steal an election.

Congratulations! Trump supporters are now officially supporting a traitor!


Trumps son took a meeting and while Jr and Sr were private citizens. Where is the crime? The Russian's actions are basically the same tatics activest James Okeefe uses. The left usually has a problem with this


DERP. The son and the son-in-law, both employed as advisors along with the campaign manager took the meeting to collect info against the Clinton campaign. They did so with a foreign entity. They admitted it. Junior is in deep shit. He lawyered up.

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from the BBC:

Four explosive lines in Trump Jr emails

1. "This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr Trump"

Trump Jr originally tweeted out the first three pages, leaving out page four, which has all the juiciest bits. It was like Beethoven's Ninth Symphony without Ode to Joy or the 1812 Overture without the cannons.

2."Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and The Russian government attorney who is flying over from Moscow for this Thursday."

The lawyer in question - Natalia Veselnitskaya - has asserted that she is not connected to the Russian government, but Goldstone is presenting her to Trump Jr here as a "government attorney".

3."If it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer"

Setting aside the glaring lack of punctuation, this line in Trump Jr's response to Goldstone's email shows he knows exactly what he's getting himself into.

4. "To: Jared Kushner; Paul Manafort"

At the very top of the email chain are two names that should be of particular concern to the White House - Mr Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner and then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40560803

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And what exactly is the content being solicited?

Incriminating, truthful documents evidencing Hillary's crimes and/or improper dealings with the Russian government.

Is it your contention that truthful information on a campaign opponent fits into the "or other thing of value" in the statute? If so, then the workers associated with Hillary's campaign committed the same crime when they met with people associated with the Ukrainian government to solicit truthful, incriminating documents on Trump's people, right?

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01 ... age-trump-backfire-233446

I don't think either instance represents a crime, but in sure you will be consistent here, right?

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Third Street, that's a funny way of admitting you lied.

And no, pasting a statute is not evidence that a crime was committed, even if you bold certain sections.


Not at all an intended lie. If the board allowed edits more than a few minutes after posting. I'd be happy to edit it down to:

No, some are 'getting their panties in a twist' about the son, son-in-law and campaign manager of a major party candidate knowingly taking a meeting with a Russian government lawyer regarding documents obtained by the Russian government hacking the U.S.

Pasting the statute that corresponds to the actions outlined in the emails is pretty relevant to the conversation when you're trying to argue that the content being solicited is of importance instead of the act of solicitation itself. The bolding was to make it easier to parse.

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Third Street, that's a funny way of admitting you lied.

And no, pasting a statute is not evidence that a crime was committed, even if you bold certain sections.

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Cool, let's say it isn't the hacked information. It's still a crime.

"§ 110.20 Prohibition on contributions, donations, expenditures, independent expenditures, and disbursements by foreign nationals (52 U.S.C. 30121, 36 U.S.C. 510).

(g)Solicitation, acceptance, or receipt of contributions and donations from foreign nationals. No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d) of this section.

(b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

4)Knowingly means that a person must:
(i) Have actual knowledge that the source of the funds solicited, accepted or received is a foreign national;

(ii) Be aware of facts that would lead a reasonable person to conclude that there is a substantial probability that the source of the funds solicited, accepted or received is a foreign national; or

(iii) Be aware of facts that would lead a reasonable person to inquire whether the source of the funds solicited, accepted or received is a foreign national, but the person failed to conduct a reasonable inquiry."

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3rdSt, Obama told the UK voters that their country 'would go to the back of the line' for new deals. Open threat to get them to vote the way he wanted them to.

Using US taxpayer money to try and oust a political opponent of Obama is wrong on about a million levels-and like Brexit, it was another Obama failure.

And Obama supported Macron, who turns out to be a racist, from his comments about African women 'breeding' 7 or 8 children.

(Like many European leaders, Macron is childless. Like Merkel. Like Gentiloni of Italy, Rutte of the Netherlands, Loven of Sweden, Sturgeon of Scotland, and Juncker of the European Commission). I guess they don't mind screwing up Europe since they don't have any progeny to protect!

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Third Street Hats, no need to emulate your favorite news sources and spread lies.

The meeting was pitched as being an opportunity to provide Trump's son with incriminating documents that the Russian government had on Hillary pertaining to her dealings with Russia. Presumably this went back to her time as Secretary of State. There was never any mention (or even a hint) that the incriminating Hillary docs resulted from a hack of the DNC's server, the same one they refused to allow our government to inspect.

Nothing wrong with meeting with anyone who can provide you with truthful dirt on your political opponents. Like the rest of the RUSSIA!!! hysteria, this is going nowhere.

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I agree. I doubt much, if anything, will come of this. It's just more proof that you can't trust a politician. Even a brand new one.

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Hardly,
Infact I bet nothing comes of this.

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Swing and miss. You're 0 for 3 today man.

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Oh I see! Everything a Republican does is considered illegal until proven otherwise. Everything a Democrat does is a Nothing burger

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'Played' by Russia? Exactly how? No one has proven that it was the Rooskies that exposed the DNC trying to screw Bernie-and if they had, all it did was expose the DNC colluding with the media to screw Bernie. Gee, and maybe ask yourself why the DNC refused to let Obama's FBI to check their server out? What more was hidden that they didn't want the FBI to find?

The only one 'played' by Russia was Obama, he did nothing to stop Russia interfering except to whine to Putin 'knock it off'. Like Putin would be frightened by that?

Besides, was Obama the one who said that Russia couldn't influence the election anyway?



Deflect deflect deflect, is that all you can do now? You answer questions with questions. I can admit the DNC is a majorly fucked up organization. Personally, I was not the biggest fan of Hillary, but at least we know she had some experience in government.

You got played by Russia because it didn't matter to Russia who was running against Hillary. They would have most likely done the same thing with anyone else that was on the GOP ticket. It wasn't so much of a pro-Trump campaign from Russia, but an anti-Hillary campaign. Yes, nobody can prove with 100% certainty that it was the Russians behind everything, but if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and sounds like a duck...it's probably a duck.

Did it ever dawn on you that Obama had to carefully consider how he handled the hacking after he found out? That maybe he needed to be very delicate to avoid the appearance of helping Hillary to win the election? If he had done more and Hillary won, you would be the first person on here talking about how Obama colluded with Hillary to help her win.

It wouldn't have been the first time Obama was wrong about something, but at least he can admit when he is wrong.

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President Obama threatened GB if they voted in favor of Brexit.

You mean by saying that negotiating a new US/UK specific trade deal would not be a top priority.

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President Obama sent an election swat team to Israel to knock Bibi out.

You mean Obama's State Department awarded $350k in grants to NGO OneVoice to be used towards brokering peace in Israel/Palestine through Nov 14. And that because the State Dept failed to properly account for rules on unused funds once the term period of the grant was met, OneVoice funneled those funds to an anti-Netanyahu campaign.

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President Obama openly supported the new French PM Macron in his election.

Unusual, sure. Far from illegal for a former president to endorse a foreign candidate.

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And some are getting their panties in a twist about Rooskies having a favorite in our election, and trying to involve themselves to get the outcome they want? It's positively Obama-esque!


No, some are 'getting their panties in a twist' about the son, son-in-law and campaign manager of a major party candidate knowingly taking a meeting with a Russian government lawyer regarding documents obtained by the Russian government hacking the U.S.

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'Played' by Russia? Exactly how? No one has proven that it was the Rooskies that exposed the DNC trying to screw Bernie-and if they had, all it did was expose the DNC colluding with the media to screw Bernie. Gee, and maybe ask yourself why the DNC refused to let Obama's FBI to check their server out? What more was hidden that they didn't want the FBI to find?

The only one 'played' by Russia was Obama, he did nothing to stop Russia interfering except to whine to Putin 'knock it off'. Like Putin would be frightened by that?

Besides, was Obama the one who said that Russia couldn't influence the election anyway?

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