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Re: Controversy swirls around Jersey City synagogue
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A bunch of Nazis in this thread. A church/communuty center should be allowed to open anywhere. But i disagree with the property tax exemption.
classic deflection technique for anyone criticizing the Orthodox Jews. Nazis! Anti-semitism! No, just against a community that has shown time and again that they view everyone else as subhuman and will engage in gross behavior to enrich themselves at the detriment of others.


Wow. A little broad don't you think? Lets try it with some substitutions and see how it sounds when referring to the behavior of a small segment of a different population.

Classic deflection technique for anyone criticizing the blacks. Racist! White supremacists! No, just against a community that has shown time and again that they view everyone else as crime victims and will engage in violent behavior to enrich themselves at the detriment of others.

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nice try, Godwin.

pointing out the well-documented behavior of a very specific community is not painting with a broad brush. it's this "ooh we mustn't be seen as anti-anything" mentality that doomed the Ramapo school system.

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Don't be ridiculous. By "Orthodox Jewish community" we're not talking about "Jewish people." You can't compare the small and insular Orthodox community that actually works together in concerted efforts to a population of tens of millions of people spread across the entire country that make up no more of a community than Jersey City does with Cleveland.

In contrast, the Orthodox Jewish community is banded together in small areas, in tight-knit groups with private police forces, that ostracize members that leave the community, cover up crimes, run sham charities (Kars4Kids), use intimidating real estate tactics, skirt tax law, and take over township school boards to ruin public education for gentiles and secular Jews. Plus there's the harassment in Israel to more secular Jews, or the outrageous way they push Palestinians out of their land for settlements. It is not anti-semitic to be opposed to the Orthodox Jewish community. The problem with them isn't the fact that they're Jewish, it's that they're a bunch of assholes that band together to ruin the lives of other people. Ask the residents of Lakewood, and Ramapo, and anyone in Israel that has to deal with them. Or anyone who has lived in Brooklyn and has been regularly harassed or propositioned for sex, or been beaten up by the Shomrim (their private police force). Ask all the Orthodox Jewish children with diseases and deformities because of incestuous arranged marriages, or the Jewish children with genital herpes from having a rabbi perform oral sex on them.

Again, none of this is about them being Jewish. Secular Jews have just as many problems with the Orthodox. If they were Mormons or Scientologists or Jehovah's Witnesses doing all this, I'd be just as angry.


You have some basic factual problems. Almost all the description you have of Jews in the US is not of "Orthodox", but of "Ultra-Orthodox". Modern Orthodox Jews engage in none of what you describe the Black Hats doing, which is about as representative of their community as gang bangers represent all blacks. They're the men you see in a normal business suit with a yarmulke, not the 18th century drag. The reverse is true in Israel, the Ultra-Orthodox cluster in Jerusalem, and the Orthodox are the settlers you complain about.

If you're going to go all in with this broad brush, at least know what you're talking about.

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Wow. A little broad don't you think? Lets try it with some substitutions and see how it sounds when referring to the behavior of a small segment of a different population.

Classic deflection technique for anyone criticizing the blacks. Racist! White supremacists! No, just against a community that has shown time and again that they view everyone else as crime victims and will engage in violent behavior to enrich themselves at the detriment of others.

Comfortable with that?

Don't be ridiculous. By "Orthodox Jewish community" we're not talking about "Jewish people." You can't compare the small and insular Orthodox community that actually works together in concerted efforts to a population of tens of millions of people spread across the entire country that make up no more of a community than Jersey City does with Cleveland.

In contrast, the Orthodox Jewish community is banded together in small areas, in tight-knit groups with private police forces, that ostracize members that leave the community, cover up crimes, run sham charities (Kars4Kids), use intimidating real estate tactics, skirt tax law, and take over township school boards to ruin public education for gentiles and secular Jews. Plus there's the harassment in Israel to more secular Jews, or the outrageous way they push Palestinians out of their land for settlements. It is not anti-semitic to be opposed to the Orthodox Jewish community. The problem with them isn't the fact that they're Jewish, it's that they're a bunch of assholes that band together to ruin the lives of other people. Ask the residents of Lakewood, and Ramapo, and anyone in Israel that has to deal with them. Or anyone who has lived in Brooklyn and has been regularly harassed or propositioned for sex, or been beaten up by the Shomrim (their private police force). Ask all the Orthodox Jewish children with diseases and deformities because of incestuous arranged marriages, or the Jewish children with genital herpes from having a rabbi perform oral sex on them.

Again, none of this is about them being Jewish. Secular Jews have just as many problems with the Orthodox. If they were Mormons or Scientologists or Jehovah's Witnesses doing all this, I'd be just as angry.

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Well the bottom line issue still hasn't been addressed. Why is this "community center" being allowed to continue operating when it is clearly in violation of zoning laws.

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A bunch of Nazis in this thread. A church/communuty center should be allowed to open anywhere. But i disagree with the property tax exemption.
classic deflection technique for anyone criticizing the Orthodox Jews. Nazis! Anti-semitism! No, just against a community that has shown time and again that they view everyone else as subhuman and will engage in gross behavior to enrich themselves at the detriment of others.


Wow. A little broad don't you think? Lets try it with some substitutions and see how it sounds when referring to the behavior of a small segment of a different population.

Classic deflection technique for anyone criticizing the blacks. Racist! White supremacists! No, just against a community that has shown time and again that they view everyone else as crime victims and will engage in violent behavior to enrich themselves at the detriment of others.

Comfortable with that?

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A bunch of Nazis in this thread. A church/communuty center should be allowed to open anywhere. But i disagree with the property tax exemption.
classic deflection technique for anyone criticizing the Orthodox Jews. Nazis! Anti-semitism! No, just against a community that has shown time and again that they view everyone else as subhuman and will engage in gross behavior to enrich themselves at the detriment of others.

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Equally as amusing is the article's claim that it "generally" takes 30 minutes to get from Greenville to Williamsburg. Perhaps in a helicopter? Or if ALL OF THE CARS disappear for 30 minutes?

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ha!

"Visitors were warmly received by many of Greenville’s longtime (non-Jewish) residents who strongly encouraged and welcomed rentals, purchase of homes, and establishment of new businesses."

http://5tjt.com/greenville-jersey-cit ... ew-chassidishe-community/

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A bunch of Nazis in this thread. A church/communuty center should be allowed to open anywhere. But i disagree with the property tax exemption.

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When my family moved to Rockland County in the early 1990s East Ramapo was considered to be a very good school system. Obviously that is no longer the case.

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These guys have been approaching people in the street and ringing bells in our neighborhood (DT) asking if they want to sell. The same guy even asked me twice within about 30 minutes. I too have seen what they've done in Rockland County and it's not good.

Also, zoning is important and carefully calculated for the benefit of the community. If you want a variance, apply for one before you start your business, house of worship, etc.

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Are these the communities where they began declaring their homes to be houses of worship and applied for exemptions from property taxes?


everything changed in this community: zoning laws, as extended families packed into one-family neighborhoods. tax base, as the hasids are disproportionately on public assistance (studying the torah for a living doesn't bring in the big bucks). and the school system has been utterly decimated.

I am admittedly biased against fundamentalist anything, and this particular group of fundies has a clear agenda and a rock-solid voting bloc.

if a well-organized group of orthodox muslims had done the same thing to a community, the entire nation would be up in arms.

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Give?

Lol.


They have their shit together. You don't get a say. Who on MLK is going to offer resistance to them buying out the entire neighborhood?

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Yes, among other, much worse things. The Orthodox Jews also took over the local school boards and completely defunded them, and diverted funding to bus their children to private Jewish schools. I can't imagine them taking over JC in the same way, but I wouldn't give them an inch after seeing what they've done to other towns.

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Are these the communities where they began declaring their homes to be houses of worship and applied for exemptions from property taxes?

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Members of the Hasidic Jewish community are seen outside 221 Martin Luther King Dr. in Jersey City in a file photo.


We need to be more concerned about HomeBoy in dat hat !!!!!!

Imagine if Kool Moe Dee pimped some Beaver Fur and rapped about moving into MLK with his posse to worship and not player hate.


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Well if community activity is the standard for desirability then this should pass muster. The synagogue is the center of the ultra-orthodox daily life, it's not like a storefront Church that sees people only on Sunday. Even the conservative Hoboken synagogue has tremendous amount of daily activity with the Hebrew school and preschool. A coffee shop next to it would do a bang-up business.

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Houses of Worship are pretty universally not seen as desirable on "main street" (meaning storefront churches) not just in JC but everywhere, because a Main Street is intended to be active. You want as many stores as possible with people coming and going. A storefront church, often, has limited activity mostly on sundays and depending on the church maybe after school or one or two evenings a week. It may seem minor, but even a relatively short distance of 'dead' space on a Main Street does have an effect. (ground floor offices - including H&R block and whatever that terrible brokerage (?) space is on Newark Ave. are also typically considered mistakes...it has nothing to do with religion)

A community center is not a perfect contender for Main Street either. however, it's at least somewhat less negative in that if it has a lot of programs all day every day there should be activity.

Neither should be a first choice, and houses of worship are pretty detrimental to the street life. (As someone who attends a church, shops on "main street," and sincerely wishes that i had a local community center, I hope this explanation is unbiased.)

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As always Earl is more preoccupied with zoning law than criminal .

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Members of the Hasidic Jewish community are seen outside 221 Martin Luther King Dr. in Jersey City in a file photo.
Members of the Hasidic Jewish community are seen outside 221 Martin Luther King Dr. in Jersey City in a file photo. (Journal file photo)

Questions are still being raised about the Hasidic "community center" on Jersey City's Martin Luther King Drive that appears to violate the zoning law prohibiting establishing new houses of worship on the street.

But sources say the city's zoning office was told unofficially to leave the shul, as its often referred to, alone, even though city spokesman Jennifer Morrill agreed it constitutes a house of worship and therefore is in violation of zoning laws.

The dictionary definition of the word shul is synagogue, a Jewish house of worship. Michelle Massey, who heads the Jackson Hill Main Street Corp., whose mission is to return MLK Drive to its former glory as one of Hudson County's busiest shopping thoroughfares, is continuing to question why the facility is being allowed to operate as a shul.

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All these reasonable explanations won't count for shit when they show a massive church across the street.

Perception of bias is all that will matter.

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I know Michelle Massey and am familiar with her work on the Main Street Project. For years, she has raised concerns about the proliferation of storefront churches in what is supposed to be a commercial/shopping district. So I can say with certainty that she is not trying to discriminate or treat any group differently.

Whether it is appropriate to place such restrictions on a house of worship is another question.

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An Orthodox rabbi has been conducting services in a residential area of Short Hills illegally for years, and has sued at every turn to try and get it permitted.

http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/201 ... opment_of_jewish_cen.html

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Agreed... they SHOULD have applied for a variance, BEFORE building their synagogue. That's the correct process.

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There always seem to be a fine line between places of worship and community center. My solution you ask? Amend the zoning code so they're treated exactly the same. A small community center should be allowed anywhere a church is allowed and vice versa.

Don't shut it down. That's just salty.


Why is there a line at all? A nonprofit gathering place is just that, whether they worship Ganesh or basketball is immaterial.

These folks don't drive on the Sabbath, so they need a place in their neighborhood. Not accommodating that in some sensitive way will bring a shitstorm, there's storefront churches all over this town.


Not driving is a choice (dictated by their religion) just like it is also a choice where you reside. If having a place of worship close by is important, then it is incumbent upon each individual, or group of individuals, to make sure that where they are choosing to live can accommodate their needs, within the law. If the article is correct, the current zoning laws do not allow for a houses of worship on MLK. So, if the synagogue violates the law, why should it be allowed to continue operating as such? That's a slippery slope... what if someone opened a bar or club in a residential area? Should they be allowed to remain open because they already built it?


It's called applying for a variance, genius. Happens all the time.


Zactly, they should apply for, and receive, a variance.

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There always seem to be a fine line between places of worship and community center. My solution you ask? Amend the zoning code so they're treated exactly the same. A small community center should be allowed anywhere a church is allowed and vice versa.

Don't shut it down. That's just salty.


Why is there a line at all? A nonprofit gathering place is just that, whether they worship Ganesh or basketball is immaterial.

These folks don't drive on the Sabbath, so they need a place in their neighborhood. Not accommodating that in some sensitive way will bring a shitstorm, there's storefront churches all over this town.


Not driving is a choice (dictated by their religion) just like it is also a choice where you reside. If having a place of worship close by is important, then it is incumbent upon each individual, or group of individuals, to make sure that where they are choosing to live can accommodate their needs, within the law. If the article is correct, the current zoning laws do not allow for a houses of worship on MLK. So, if the synagogue violates the law, why should it be allowed to continue operating as such? That's a slippery slope... what if someone opened a bar or club in a residential area? Should they be allowed to remain open because they already built it?


It's called applying for a variance, genius. Happens all the time.

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There always seem to be a fine line between places of worship and community center. My solution you ask? Amend the zoning code so they're treated exactly the same. A small community center should be allowed anywhere a church is allowed and vice versa.

Don't shut it down. That's just salty.


Why is there a line at all? A nonprofit gathering place is just that, whether they worship Ganesh or basketball is immaterial.

These folks don't drive on the Sabbath, so they need a place in their neighborhood. Not accommodating that in some sensitive way will bring a shitstorm, there's storefront churches all over this town.


Not driving is a choice (dictated by their religion) just like it is also a choice where you reside. If having a place of worship close by is important, then it is incumbent upon each individual, or group of individuals, to make sure that where they are choosing to live can accommodate their needs, within the law. If the article is correct, the current zoning laws do not allow for a houses of worship on MLK. So, if the synagogue violates the law, why should it be allowed to continue operating as such? That's a slippery slope... what if someone opened a bar or club in a residential area? Should they be allowed to remain open because they already built it?

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There is a community center in Ward F, the Bethune Center and no one prays there.

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There always seem to be a fine line between places of worship and community center. My solution you ask? Amend the zoning code so they're treated exactly the same. A small community center should be allowed anywhere a church is allowed and vice versa.

Don't shut it down. That's just salty.


Why is there a line at all? A nonprofit gathering place is just that, whether they worship Ganesh or basketball is immaterial.

These folks don't drive on the Sabbath, so they need a place in their neighborhood. Not accommodating that in some sensitive way will bring a shitstorm, there's storefront churches all over this town.

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