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Re: Anyone know of a peditrician who is anti-vaccine or vaccine neutral in JC?
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The iron lung did not cure polio and was not used for that. It was used to treat the symptoms and allowed patients to breathe.

It is now almost completely outdated because of modern mechanical respirators.

Do you know why it also is outdated? Because of....THE POLIO VACCINE!


Oh, the irony. :)

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The iron lung did not cure polio and was not used for that. It was used to treat the symptoms and allowed patients to breathe.

It is now almost completely outdated because of modern mechanical respirators.

Do you know why it also is outdated? Because of....THE POLIO VACCINE!

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The Iron Lung wasn't invented to treat polio. It was invented to help people who suffered paralysis from polio breathe.


iron lung was to cure polio. there was no understanding of polio cause at the time. it came from same mainstream medicine which used arsenic for syphilis at the same time.

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The Iron Lung wasn't invented to treat polio. It was invented to help people who suffered paralysis from polio breathe.

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the point rather should be how mistaken mainstream medicine can be. my favorite is wsj article

"the radium water worked fine until his jaw fell off"

https://www.scribd.com/document/188172 ... ne-Until-His-Jaw-Fell-Off

and lets not forget iron lungs bs machine for polio
https://books.google.com/books?id=qOID ... PA975#v=onepage&q&f=false


You are equating snake oil pitches as being medicine adopted by the whole community.

Also, why are iron lungs BS?


community relies on professionals. that is why we license them.
time and again mainstream medicine did blunder after blunder. in fact, if you questioned, you would be condemned as witch, quack, or whatever name they currently use. from pricking women in the middle ages to using arsenic to treat syphilis just mere 80 years ago.

iron lung was invented specifically to treat polio. you would lose you medical license if you questioned it.

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That's the thing though. If you bring your kid to any doctor's office, it's full of unvaccinated kids. They're not fully vaccinated until they're years old.
If you go to a pediatrician's office, all the kids in the waiting room are at difference phases of the process. Several of them take place over 2 to 3 rounds of shots, and you're not fully immune until the end.

This whole thing depends on everybody buying in and everybody doing it. Just one unvaccinated kid can mess up the whole thing up.

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I would also like to know the answer to this - so I don't inadvertently bring my baby to a doctor's waiting room filled with unvaccinated kids. K thanks...

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as soon as someone starts ranting about "toxins" you can be certain you are talking to a misinformed idiot

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the point rather should be how mistaken mainstream medicine can be. my favorite is wsj article

"the radium water worked fine until his jaw fell off"

https://www.scribd.com/document/188172 ... ne-Until-His-Jaw-Fell-Off

and lets not forget iron lungs bs machine for polio
https://books.google.com/books?id=qOID ... PA975#v=onepage&q&f=false


You are equating snake oil pitches as being medicine adopted by the whole community.

Also, why are iron lungs BS?

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EasyGibson touch on a point that seems so prevalent in our current time: the disappearance of family/community knowledge. Grandparents in many way used to be the reference to us, whether on diseases or war. They used to be the reference to decisions we made because they had lived through the horror leading to them. It feels like the OP doesn't have these people as reference. I would suggest in their absence to trust the experts and people who know someone who lived the pre-vaccine era. THIS is what you can control - wasn't it all about this, the notion you can control the outcome, while you will create another?

As for the difference in toxicity related to form, dose and distribution, I can reach to one of my pharmacokinetic expert friend if that can help. He I strongly suggest has vaccinated his kids. Vaccines are safer than not.

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Sorry, but even if a 10 children out of the probably 10 million that get vaccinated die or get a new condition every year it is still worth it. There are too many lives at stake to allow some unvaccinated children to become ticking time bombs for members of our population who are too young to receive them yet and for the sickly and elderly whose bodies cannot defend against it.

It is selfish as a member of a society as you put everyone else in harm's way.

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Since doctors seem to have more knowledge about vaccines than the average person, I think if 94% of them (from this study) CHOOSE to vaccinate their own kids, then they may be on to something.

http://file.scirp.org/pdf/OJPed20120300003_46564276.pdf


also, more doctors smoke camels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCMzjJjuxQI


Yeah but what % of doctors back then smoked vs did not? I also prefer Kamel.


the point rather should be how mistaken mainstream medicine can be. my favorite is wsj article

"the radium water worked fine until his jaw fell off"

https://www.scribd.com/document/188172 ... ne-Until-His-Jaw-Fell-Off

and lets not forget iron lungs bs machine for polio
https://books.google.com/books?id=qOID ... PA975#v=onepage&q&f=false

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New parent, and I gotta admit that it's pretty terrifying watching somebody stick a needle in your perfectly healthy kid every couple months. You take a healthy baby and expose them to a risk of harm, they scream, the wound from the needle bleeds, and a box gets checked off on a list that is dozens long. It triggers your fight or flight response. You want to punch your doctor, grab your kid, and get the hell out of there.

You know why you don't though?

Because my Grandmother told me what it was like to watch a sibling die of whooping cough. Imagine choking, gasping for life, for 3 months.

Herd immunity only works if we all buy in. The argument that it's an individual choice is not correct. The NJ vaccination schedule takes place over several years, and isn't complete until well after children are allowed to enter daycare and pre-schools.
When you choose not to vaccinate your child, you're also choosing to expose MY child to risk, as your non-vaccinated child can be a carrier and can infect my child who hasn't yet received their vaccines.

OP, I feel you. I really do. It's an incredibly tough choice and it is an absolute fact that one in a million children do have their lives 100% ruined by vaccine allergies. A perfectly healthy child can become a vegetable. It's scary. Hopefully in the future there will be better ways of testing for these reactions.
For now though, you have to admit that one in a million is pretty good odds, especially when you look at the percentages of kids that had polio, measles, whooping cough, etc when our fathers and their fathers were younger.

I'd urge you to revisit the facts and really think about what you're doing, not with your child, but with mine. You're exposing my kid to fatal diseases in an urban environment.

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Good luck with your decision. I understand how tough it can be.


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Since doctors seem to have more knowledge about vaccines than the average person, I think if 94% of them (from this study) CHOOSE to vaccinate their own kids, then they may be on to something.

http://file.scirp.org/pdf/OJPed20120300003_46564276.pdf


also, more doctors smoke camels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCMzjJjuxQI


Yeah but what % of doctors back then smoked vs did not? I also prefer Kamel.

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New parent, and I gotta admit that it's pretty terrifying watching somebody stick a needle in your perfectly healthy kid every couple months. You take a healthy baby and expose them to a risk of harm, they scream, the wound from the needle bleeds, and a box gets checked off on a list that is dozens long. It triggers your fight or flight response. You want to punch your doctor, grab your kid, and get the hell out of there.

You know why you don't though?

Because my Grandmother told me what it was like to watch a sibling die of whooping cough. Imagine choking, gasping for life, for 3 months.

Herd immunity only works if we all buy in. The argument that it's an individual choice is not correct. The NJ vaccination schedule takes place over several years, and isn't complete until well after children are allowed to enter daycare and pre-schools.
When you choose not to vaccinate your child, you're also choosing to expose MY child to risk, as your non-vaccinated child can be a carrier and can infect my child who hasn't yet received their vaccines.

OP, I feel you. I really do. It's an incredibly tough choice and it is an absolute fact that one in a million children do have their lives 100% ruined by vaccine allergies. A perfectly healthy child can become a vegetable. It's scary. Hopefully in the future there will be better ways of testing for these reactions.
For now though, you have to admit that one in a million is pretty good odds, especially when you look at the percentages of kids that had polio, measles, whooping cough, etc when our fathers and their fathers were younger.

I'd urge you to revisit the facts and really think about what you're doing, not with your child, but with mine. You're exposing my kid to fatal diseases in an urban environment.

$.02

Good luck with your decision. I understand how tough it can be.

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QuackWatch.com is a great resource to help debunk some of the bunk pseudo science circulating about health, medical issues and nutrition.

They have a link about vaccines here:

http://www.quackwatch.com/search/webg ... e.cgi?ID=1&query=vaccines

It's worth a read.


disclaimer that site is financed by bayer ag should be in order.
the guys who were employing dr mengele.

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Since doctors seem to have more knowledge about vaccines than the average person, I think if 94% of them (from this study) CHOOSE to vaccinate their own kids, then they may be on to something.

http://file.scirp.org/pdf/OJPed20120300003_46564276.pdf


also, more doctors smoke camels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCMzjJjuxQI

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Good luck finding any school or daycare to take your kid.

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As I imagined, this is a very sensitive topic. I will leave you all with this. It should be up to the parents. We should have be forced to vaccinate. Every child is different, and more testing/research needs to be done to study the long term effects as well as the combining of vaccines during a given doctor's visit.

1) Please don't go comparing ingesting to injecting. When ingesting aluminum and/or chlorine, your gut has an opportunity to fed off the toxins. When injecting, your body has no chance of fighting the toxins.

2) Glyphosate- You are what you eat AND you are what you eat eats. In order other words, one of the ingredients in some vaccines is cow tissue. If the cows are eating the very grains that are being fertilized by Monsanto's Round Up, then guess what. It's in the cow tissue, and thus in the vaccine.

3) Thimerosal is still in vaccines as "trace amounts". That's a fact. You may not see them listed because the percentage is below a certain level but it's there. And again, any amount of toxins going straight into the bloodstream is troubling. Why not demand big Pharma spend a little money investigating ingestable vaccines?

Listen, doctors used to say a cigarette a day is good for the body. It's helps you relax. Blah, blah, blah. It took decades for the truth to come out about the negative consequences of smoking because the Tobacco industry used its money to influence Government. Vaccines is another big money business. A lot is at stake for these Pharma companies. I don't expect them to roll over. But I am willing to do the digging to make the best decisions for my family.

Hey your kids are vaccinated. Good for you. You guys have nothing to fear. Load your kids up with these vaccines. They will be protected. No need to worry by my kid and my parenting skills.

Listen, kids are sicker than ever. Cancer in kids is at all time high levels. Learning disorders are on the rise. Autism is spiking, especially among boys. The data doesn't lie. Something is going on. I have a hutch why. And it's shame that greed is getting in the middle.






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Wow, I sure can't wait to be exposed to things like whooping cough and mumps thanks to your unvaccinated offspring.

Watch Autism x6, I'm pretty sure none of those kids are vaccinated.

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If you are healthy and develop a strong immune system, you should not be afraid.


the reality is not everyone has a healthy immune system. not only does it place your child at risk, but without "herd immunity", those who are ineligible to receive vaccines due to weakened immune systems (transplants, etc) are also at risk. this is how outbreaks happen.


Some viruses actually are more deadly for those with healthy immune systems (i.e. Spanish flu, SARS). People die from the immune reaction (drowning in their own mucus). SARS was treated with immune suppressants, which then destroyed the bones of some of the patients.

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You should be sterilized.

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If you would be kind enough to let us know which child care or school you plan to send your kid, we can avoid sending ours there.

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As I imagined, this is a very sensitive topic. I will leave you all with this. It should be up to the parents. We should have be forced to vaccinate. Every child is different, and more testing/research needs to be done to study the long term effects as well as the combining of vaccines during a given doctor's visit.

1) Please don't go comparing ingesting to injecting. When ingesting aluminum and/or chlorine, your gut has an opportunity to fed off the toxins. When injecting, your body has no chance of fighting the toxins.

2) Glyphosate- You are what you eat AND you are what you eat eats. In order other words, one of the ingredients in some vaccines is cow tissue. If the cows are eating the very grains that are being fertilized by Monsanto's Round Up, then guess what. It's in the cow tissue, and thus in the vaccine.

3) Thimerosal is still in vaccines as "trace amounts". That's a fact. You may not see them listed because the percentage is below a certain level but it's there. And again, any amount of toxins going straight into the bloodstream is troubling. Why not demand big Pharma spend a little money investigating ingestable vaccines?

Listen, doctors used to say a cigarette a day is good for the body. It's helps you relax. Blah, blah, blah. It took decades for the truth to come out about the negative consequences of smoking because the Tobacco industry used its money to influence Government. Vaccines is another big money business. A lot is at stake for these Pharma companies. I don't expect them to roll over. But I am willing to do the digging to make the best decisions for my family.

Hey your kids are vaccinated. Good for you. You guys have nothing to fear. Load your kids up with these vaccines. They will be protected. No need to worry by my kid and my parenting skills.

Listen, kids are sicker than ever. Cancer in kids is at all time high levels. Learning disorders are on the rise. Autism is spiking, especially among boys. The data doesn't lie. Something is going on. I have a hutch why. And it's shame that greed is getting in the middle.






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I doubt that autism and learning disabilities etc. are on the rise. It's more about the lack of diagnosing and acknowledging such things back in the day. Adults and children with major issues were usually totally ignored and fell through the cracks of society into a hellish life or were locked away in institutions. Others who had mild symptoms simply adapted and survived doing whatever they fell into for what passed as a job. Some became world renowned scientists or writers or whatever.

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Since doctors seem to have more knowledge about vaccines than the average person, I think if 94% of them (from this study) CHOOSE to vaccinate their own kids, then they may be on to something.

http://file.scirp.org/pdf/OJPed20120300003_46564276.pdf

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As I imagined, this is a very sensitive topic. I will leave you all with this. It should be up to the parents. We should have be forced to vaccinate. Every child is different, and more testing/research needs to be done to study the long term effects as well as the combining of vaccines during a given doctor's visit. <------ No, some things obviously shouldn't be left up to the parents because you've shown how outright ignorant you are about the subject. Another reason people should be forced to get a license before procreating.

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Listen, kids are sicker than ever. Cancer in kids is at all time high levels. Learning disorders are on the rise. Autism is spiking, especially among boys. The data doesn't lie.


Don't forget there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. The data can be manipulated to say whatever you want it to.

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Learning disorders and Autism seem like they are on the rise, but that's because the definition of these has been expanded to include many more children. I'm almost 40 now, but if the Autism spectrum was as wide it is now, I would have been classified as Autistic for sure.

I haven't seen anyone bring this up yet, I may have missed it, but the biggest reason to get children vaccinated is at a certain percentage of vaccinated people we all have herd immunity. Yes small cases will pop up, but they won't turn into major outbreaks.

There are some people with legitimate reasons why they can not receive some vaccines. It's vaccinating everyone else that protects them I would just have a plan in place to home school your kids.

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As I imagined, this is a very sensitive topic. I will leave you all with this. It should be up to the parents. We should have be forced to vaccinate. Every child is different, and more testing/research needs to be done to study the long term effects as well as the combining of vaccines during a given doctor's visit.

1) Please don't go comparing ingesting to injecting. When ingesting aluminum and/or chlorine, your gut has an opportunity to fed off the toxins. When injecting, your body has no chance of fighting the toxins.

2) Glyphosate- You are what you eat AND you are what you eat eats. In order other words, one of the ingredients in some vaccines is cow tissue. If the cows are eating the very grains that are being fertilized by Monsanto's Round Up, then guess what. It's in the cow tissue, and thus in the vaccine.

3) Thimerosal is still in vaccines as "trace amounts". That's a fact. You may not see them listed because the percentage is below a certain level but it's there. And again, any amount of toxins going straight into the bloodstream is troubling. Why not demand big Pharma spend a little money investigating ingestable vaccines?

Listen, doctors used to say a cigarette a day is good for the body. It's helps you relax. Blah, blah, blah. It took decades for the truth to come out about the negative consequences of smoking because the Tobacco industry used its money to influence Government. Vaccines is another big money business. A lot is at stake for these Pharma companies. I don't expect them to roll over. But I am willing to do the digging to make the best decisions for my family.

Hey your kids are vaccinated. Good for you. You guys have nothing to fear. Load your kids up with these vaccines. They will be protected. No need to worry by my kid and my parenting skills.

Listen, kids are sicker than ever. Cancer in kids is at all time high levels. Learning disorders are on the rise. Autism is spiking, especially among boys. The data doesn't lie. Something is going on. I have a hutch why. And it's shame that greed is getting in the middle.






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1) In 1987, Congress made it impossible to sue the Pharma companies related to vaccine injuries. That's when Pharma realized that they could make huge profits from vaccines because there is no longer any downside risk from costly lawsuits. As a result, the number of vaccines kids receive today has gone from 16 shots thru age 18 to 67 shots thru age 18 from 1987 to 2017. Coincidence? I think not.

2) In addition, vaccines are not subjected to the same testing/scrutiny as medicine. They do not have use double placebo testing and the length of time to get a vaccine to the market is a lot shorter. As a result, vaccines require less R&D expense and thus another reason why vaccines are very profitable to pharma companies

3) Two wrongs don't make a right. In life, that's true. In science, that's true. Do you know the ingredients in a typical vaccine? Most vaccines contain aluminum, thimerosal (aka mercury) and glyphosate (aka the carcinogetic toxin found in Monsanto's Round Up). These are toxins folks and it is being injected straight into the blood stream. There is a possibility of it getting into the brain and cause a lot of havoc. And don't get me started about "trace amounts". It's going straight into the blood stream. Your body has no defense to that.

4) 75 cents of each vaccine administered goes into a vaccine trust fund. When someone is harmed by a vaccine, they go to vaccine court. Thus far, $3.6 billion has been paid out. The MMR can contribute to causing Autism. The effects are even more magnified in baby boys (especially african american). If a parent gives their baby, baby tylenol after the MMR to fight the fever, the Acetaminophen, the toxins in vaccine along with the baby's testosterone magnify the effects and increase the chances of speech delay, auto immune disorders and autism.

5) Peditricians main money maker is vaccines. Big pharmas pay out big bonuses to doctors who follow their vaccine schedules. Without vaccines, it is very difficult for peditricians to be profitable. The peditricians don't have your interest in check. There is a clear conflict of interest.

6) Big pharmas and CDC are not indepedent. Employees of the CDC routinely get lucrative job offers from Big Pharma companies such as Merck to join their team. CDC is essentially a marketing vehicle to promote vaccines so that the Big pharmas sell as many vaccines as possible.

7) The CDC cherry picks scientific data to suit their needs to make vaccines effective. What does "effective" even mean? It just means that the body has to produce anti-bodies when the vaccine is administered. The anti-bodies don't even have to prevent the flu/measles/mumps from happening. The very definition of "effective" is a joke.

8) All vaccines are tested independently. There have been no studies that research if two or three vaccines are given at once. There has been no tests if a flu vaccine and a hepitasis vaccine are given at the same time. Are there any synergistic effects? We don't know because no study has been conducted. Why? Because they know that the greater amount of toxins administered at one time, the greater the chances of bad results happening so why go there. Sometimes 3 to 4 vaccines are administered at one time. It doesn't make sense. No one falls victim to two diseases at one time. The combination of these vaccines are probably confusing the immune system and only bad outcomes can result.

You can scare me all you want. I agree that some vaccines are fine. But there are way too many and given way too close together and way too early in life. The truth doesn't come out because it is being suppressed by the very people who are supposed to protect your baby. There is no replacement for good nutrition. Your body is meant to fight off these diseases. If you are healthy and develop a strong immune system, you should not be afraid.

These vaccines can cause irrepairable damage to your precious child. It is irreversible. Your kid may never have a normal life, and your life will never be normal again.

I've done the risk reward analysis. Don't take your doctor's word. Don't take the CDC's word. Research the ingredients in your vaccine. They are hard to find. Ask you peditrician, what's in the vaccine? He probably does not even know. That's a problem.

Search the internet for the truth. When you hear the other side of the story, you may change your mind.

I have just tipped the ice berg on the facts. There is a ton more proof out there.


Don't take your doctor's word! Don't take the CDC's word! Take the word of some crazy shit on the internet.

Posted on: 4/18 13:53
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