earthling wrote:
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WhoElseCouldIBe wrote:
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earthling wrote:
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JPhurst wrote:
The iron lung did not cure polio and was not used for that. It was used to treat the symptoms and allowed patients to breathe.

It is now almost completely outdated because of modern mechanical respirators.

Do you know why it also is outdated? Because of....THE POLIO VACCINE!

iron lung was invented to cure polio. period. another proof of mistake on part of mainstream medicine, along with arsenic cure. at least they were genuine, not like snake oil salesman.

You're not very bright, yeah?

bottom line is, you never prove risk. impossible. you only prove safety. you want pump into me the unknown? prove it is safe first.

earthling wrote:
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WhoElseCouldIBe wrote:
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earthling wrote:
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JPhurst wrote:
The iron lung did not cure polio and was not used for that. It was used to treat the symptoms and allowed patients to breathe.

It is now almost completely outdated because of modern mechanical respirators.

Do you know why it also is outdated? Because of....THE POLIO VACCINE!

iron lung was invented to cure polio. period. another proof of mistake on part of mainstream medicine, along with arsenic cure. at least they were genuine, not like snake oil salesman.

You're not very bright, yeah?

bottom line is, you never prove risk. impossible. you only prove safety. you want pump into me the unknown? prove it is safe first.

WhoElseCouldIBe wrote:
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earthling wrote:
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JPhurst wrote:
The iron lung did not cure polio and was not used for that. It was used to treat the symptoms and allowed patients to breathe.

It is now almost completely outdated because of modern mechanical respirators.

Do you know why it also is outdated? Because of....THE POLIO VACCINE!

iron lung was invented to cure polio. period. another proof of mistake on part of mainstream medicine, along with arsenic cure. at least they were genuine, not like snake oil salesman.

You're not very bright, yeah?

earthling wrote:
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JPhurst wrote:
The iron lung did not cure polio and was not used for that. It was used to treat the symptoms and allowed patients to breathe.

It is now almost completely outdated because of modern mechanical respirators.

Do you know why it also is outdated? Because of....THE POLIO VACCINE!

iron lung was invented to cure polio. period. another proof of mistake on part of mainstream medicine, along with arsenic cure. at least they were genuine, not like snake oil salesman.

JPhurst wrote:
The iron lung did not cure polio and was not used for that. It was used to treat the symptoms and allowed patients to breathe.

It is now almost completely outdated because of modern mechanical respirators.

Do you know why it also is outdated? Because of....THE POLIO VACCINE!

JPhurst wrote:
The iron lung did not cure polio and was not used for that. It was used to treat the symptoms and allowed patients to breathe.

It is now almost completely outdated because of modern mechanical respirators.

Do you know why it also is outdated? Because of....THE POLIO VACCINE!

kimmygo wrote:
The Iron Lung wasn't invented to treat polio. It was invented to help people who suffered paralysis from polio breathe.

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earthling wrote:
the point rather should be how mistaken mainstream medicine can be. my favorite is wsj article

"the radium water worked fine until his jaw fell off"

https://www.scribd.com/document/188172 ... ne-Until-His-Jaw-Fell-Off

and lets not forget iron lungs bs machine for polio
https://books.google.com/books?id=qOID ... PA975#v=onepage&q&f=false

You are equating snake oil pitches as being medicine adopted by the whole community.

Also, why are iron lungs BS?

earthling wrote:
the point rather should be how mistaken mainstream medicine can be. my favorite is wsj article

"the radium water worked fine until his jaw fell off"

https://www.scribd.com/document/188172 ... ne-Until-His-Jaw-Fell-Off

and lets not forget iron lungs bs machine for polio
https://books.google.com/books?id=qOID ... PA975#v=onepage&q&f=false

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bill wrote:
Since doctors seem to have more knowledge about vaccines than the average person, I think if 94% of them (from this study) CHOOSE to vaccinate their own kids, then they may be on to something.

http://file.scirp.org/pdf/OJPed20120300003_46564276.pdf

also, more doctors smoke camels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCMzjJjuxQI

Yeah but what % of doctors back then smoked vs did not? I also prefer Kamel.

EasyGibson wrote:
New parent, and I gotta admit that it's pretty terrifying watching somebody stick a needle in your perfectly healthy kid every couple months. You take a healthy baby and expose them to a risk of harm, they scream, the wound from the needle bleeds, and a box gets checked off on a list that is dozens long. It triggers your fight or flight response. You want to punch your doctor, grab your kid, and get the hell out of there.

You know why you don't though?

Because my Grandmother told me what it was like to watch a sibling die of whooping cough. Imagine choking, gasping for life, for 3 months.

Herd immunity only works if we all buy in. The argument that it's an individual choice is not correct. The NJ vaccination schedule takes place over several years, and isn't complete until well after children are allowed to enter daycare and pre-schools.
When you choose not to vaccinate your child, you're also choosing to expose MY child to risk, as your non-vaccinated child can be a carrier and can infect my child who hasn't yet received their vaccines.

OP, I feel you. I really do. It's an incredibly tough choice and it is an absolute fact that one in a million children do have their lives 100% ruined by vaccine allergies. A perfectly healthy child can become a vegetable. It's scary. Hopefully in the future there will be better ways of testing for these reactions.
For now though, you have to admit that one in a million is pretty good odds, especially when you look at the percentages of kids that had polio, measles, whooping cough, etc when our fathers and their fathers were younger.

I'd urge you to revisit the facts and really think about what you're doing, not with your child, but with mine. You're exposing my kid to fatal diseases in an urban environment.

$.02

Good luck with your decision. I understand how tough it can be.

earthling wrote:
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bill wrote:
Since doctors seem to have more knowledge about vaccines than the average person, I think if 94% of them (from this study) CHOOSE to vaccinate their own kids, then they may be on to something.

http://file.scirp.org/pdf/OJPed20120300003_46564276.pdf

also, more doctors smoke camels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCMzjJjuxQI

jerseymom wrote:
QuackWatch.com is a great resource to help debunk some of the bunk pseudo science circulating about health, medical issues and nutrition.

They have a link about vaccines here:

http://www.quackwatch.com/search/webg ... e.cgi?ID=1&query=vaccines

It's worth a read.

bill wrote:
Since doctors seem to have more knowledge about vaccines than the average person, I think if 94% of them (from this study) CHOOSE to vaccinate their own kids, then they may be on to something.

http://file.scirp.org/pdf/OJPed20120300003_46564276.pdf

lipzilla wrote:
As I imagined, this is a very sensitive topic. I will leave you all with this. It should be up to the parents. We should have be forced to vaccinate. Every child is different, and more testing/research needs to be done to study the long term effects as well as the combining of vaccines during a given doctor's visit.

1) Please don't go comparing ingesting to injecting. When ingesting aluminum and/or chlorine, your gut has an opportunity to fed off the toxins. When injecting, your body has no chance of fighting the toxins.

2) Glyphosate- You are what you eat AND you are what you eat eats. In order other words, one of the ingredients in some vaccines is cow tissue. If the cows are eating the very grains that are being fertilized by Monsanto's Round Up, then guess what. It's in the cow tissue, and thus in the vaccine.

3) Thimerosal is still in vaccines as "trace amounts". That's a fact. You may not see them listed because the percentage is below a certain level but it's there. And again, any amount of toxins going straight into the bloodstream is troubling. Why not demand big Pharma spend a little money investigating ingestable vaccines?

Listen, doctors used to say a cigarette a day is good for the body. It's helps you relax. Blah, blah, blah. It took decades for the truth to come out about the negative consequences of smoking because the Tobacco industry used its money to influence Government. Vaccines is another big money business. A lot is at stake for these Pharma companies. I don't expect them to roll over. But I am willing to do the digging to make the best decisions for my family.

Hey your kids are vaccinated. Good for you. You guys have nothing to fear. Load your kids up with these vaccines. They will be protected. No need to worry by my kid and my parenting skills.

Listen, kids are sicker than ever. Cancer in kids is at all time high levels. Learning disorders are on the rise. Autism is spiking, especially among boys. The data doesn't lie. Something is going on. I have a hutch why. And it's shame that greed is getting in the middle.

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If you are healthy and develop a strong immune system, you should not be afraid.

the reality is not everyone has a healthy immune system. not only does it place your child at risk, but without "herd immunity", those who are ineligible to receive vaccines due to weakened immune systems (transplants, etc) are also at risk. this is how outbreaks happen.