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What entity comes to own the land under the city plan?

Land that will run a 'for profit' hotel and some residential housing
as proposed.

Smart thing to do would create a land lease to the developers or
quasi corporation and Jersey City retains ownership.

The meeting tonight should be interesting.




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Yvonne, can you be more specific about what type of public school? Magnets and charters are public schools.


The city told me it would be a traditional public school.

Council President Lavarro said the JCRA would possible vote to amend the redeveloper agreement with SciTeh Scity tonight (6 pm, 30 Montgomery) to make that specific in the agreement.

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I cannot be specific because during the caucus meeting the public cannot ask questions, it was only stated it would be a public school.

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Silly comment. First, the projected project will have access to Johnston Avenue and Phillips Street. Second, the extension of Jersey Avenue into LSP is planned. So yes, it's a direct comparison.

Yes, I was measuring the time to drive from Phllips to Grand; it's around 10 minutes.

I've heard talk of the extension. But it obviously does not currently exist; is not a done deal; and there is no ETA. And I see little indication that its planned existence is included in the property values in the surrounding neighborhood.

And again, if the city sells it to the highest bidder, what will be put there? 10 or 20 story condos? A casino? A big conference center? How much do you think those projects will push for big abatements?


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As far as the 'donation', since it's being paid back....

Incorrect. Yet again, there is NO repayment. They are donations.


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Since we know JC school aid is frozen from the state, and likely diminish because of School Adjustment Aid reforms, what will be the cost to JC taxpayers for this 'free school'?

Why gosh, let's think about this.

Let's say I give you a car. You then pout and proclaim "It's not free, because now I have to pay for the gas, insurance and maintenance!" Does that sound right to you?

The developers are building a public school from scratch, at no cost to the city or its taxpayers. I'd say that qualifies as "free."

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Yvonne, can you be more specific about what type of public school? Magnets and charters are public schools.


The city told me it would be a traditional public school.

Council President Lavarro said the JCRA would possible vote to amend the redeveloper agreement with SciTeh Scity tonight (6 pm, 30 Montgomery) to make that specific in the agreement.

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Yvonne, can you be more specific about what type of public school? Magnets and charters are public schools.

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At the caucus meeting, it was mention that it will be a public school.

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Friends of LSP supports the project and Sam Pesin plans to speak at the City Council meeting in favor of moving forward.

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In a perverse kinda way, the fact that the schools suck so bad here means that anyone with kids who can afford to move to the burbs does just that, unless they can afford private school. I'm not even sure what JC HS is local to Newport-where do those kids go?

Newport kids would go to Ferris unless they joined a magnet program to get into one of the other public high schools (if that still exist).

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Going back to one of the original articles in the thread.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... _liberty_science_cen.html

"The council's unanimous action amends an existing zoning plan to create what the city calls a "science and technology district." The changes allow for construction of research and development facilities, labs, hotels, office space, restaurants and more."

I find it unbelievable that Boggiano and Yun voted to rezone, and now claim that they have to oppose a "giveaway" of "prime land."

Appraise the property? Sure. Make sure LSC can make good on its commitments? Sure, and the contract has provisions for that. Consider other options? Done already. Proposals for residences, hotels, and a convention center have all been floated and received no traction.

Do this by RFP? Why we LOVE RFPs! Except when they come out with results we don't like, such as the Ambulance contract, or the bid for Loews Jersey. Then, RFP's "don't take the important community connection into account" or something.*

(* With respect to the above, I actually think the city made the wrong decision in those two instances. The ambulance contract likely ran afoul of federal law, and the Loews had a lease upheld in court. Nevertheless, the RFPs came up with results that opponents would prefer to ignore.)

I fully understand concerns about the administration seeking to chase the shiny ring. While due diligence before and after the deal is necessary, the proposal is better than anything that comes along to date.

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In a perverse kinda way, the fact that the schools suck so bad here means that anyone with kids who can afford to move to the burbs does just that, unless they can afford private school. I'm not even sure what JC HS is local to Newport-where do those kids go?


Sadly, this is entirely too true. I know many, many couples that have left Jersey City after having kids. And, honestly, it is hard to fault them: paying for a private school, on top of paying a ton for property taxes, is simply not feasible for a lot of young families. Heck, I know a couple (currently paying for private pre K) that is already planning to move out if their kid that is about to enter elementary school is chosen to be bussed instead of getting to attend the one down the street from their place in Hamilton Park.

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379 Communipaw is 25 x 100 which is about 4 times smaller than .25 acres

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How can the land be estimated at $20 when developers brought land one minute by car according to the google map for $35 million? That land is 7 1/2 acres.

It's not 1 minute by car. It's more like 10 minutes.

Unless they build a vehicular bridge over the Morris Canal, there is no direct route between the LSC lot and downtown.

We see this differential in lots for sale. E.g. there's a lot at 379 Communipaw, .25 acres for $200k. Another lot is at 423 Grand is .33 acres and... $4 million.

And those two lots are only a 3 minute drive apart.

Is it news to you that in real estate, location is critical?

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In a perverse kinda way, the fact that the schools suck so bad here means that anyone with kids who can afford to move to the burbs does just that, unless they can afford private school. I'm not even sure what JC HS is local to Newport-where do those kids go?

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No, I think they are opposed because they were not contacted. I have always said one acre should be given to the local school system because there is a need for a school, especially a high school. Development has brought in a lot of school children that the current administration ignores in tax abatements hearings. A typical tax abatement hearing might show only 4 students on a 100 unit building. Those numbers are not realistic.


You love to make this claim, but guess what: I think you are just making it up. I am now living in my second development in which an abatement was granted (both developments had 20-year abatements, and both were 100+ units, one in BeLa, and the other in DTJC) and they were both almost entirely devoid of children, particularly school-age kids.

When in BeLa, I resided at the same building for almost nine years, and in all those years, I can only recall two families with one kid attending schools. Everyone else was single adults, or couples without kids, and the few that ended up getting pregnant and having kids, soon moved out and went elsewhere. At my new development (also 100+ units) there is one unit with one kid in high school (not sure if attending public schools in JC, but I am almost positive that is not the case) and a handful of families that have recently had kids and are looking at future options, including moving elsewhere.

My point is that the abatement studies may not be as far off as you claim: I am sure my experience is not that unique. I have friends in other abated buildings and their experiences are similar in that their buildings have almost no kids, and most families with newborns end up moving elsewhere.

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Interesting that the teachers union would suddenly oppose this project. Such a move is more likely to make me want to support the project.

But, seriously, why the sudden interest and apparent opposition?


Since so little is known about the project I'd guess and say they're terrified the onsite school would be charter based.


That's exactly what I am thinking. But, as far as I know, there is no indication the school is slated (or, expected) to be a charter school, but the idea does have merit if it is tightly integrated into the SciTech institution, as a sort of "engineering" high school, a la Brooklyn Tech.

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No, I think they are opposed because they were not contacted. I have always said one acre should be given to the local school system because there is a need for a school, especially a high school. Development has brought in a lot of school children that the current administration ignores in tax abatements hearings. A typical tax abatement hearing might show only 4 students on a 100 unit building. Those numbers are not realistic.

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Interesting that the teachers union would suddenly oppose this project. Such a move is more likely to make me want to support the project.

But, seriously, why the sudden interest and apparent opposition?


Since so little is known about the project I'd guess and say they're terrified the onsite school would be charter based.

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Interesting that the teachers union would suddenly oppose this project. Such a move is more likely to make me want to support the project.

But, seriously, why the sudden interest and apparent opposition?

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Teachers union seeks delay on Liberty Science Center plan

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on March 20, 2017 at 11:29 AM, updated March 20, 2017 at 11:51 AM

JERSEY CITY -- The Jersey City teachers union is joining two City Council members in urging Mayor Steve Fulop to delay a final council vote on a plan to give 16 acres of city land to Liberty Science Center for a new sci-tech complex.

In an open letter published in The Jersey Journal on Saturday, the Jersey City Education Association said it wants "a seat at the table" for any discussions on the project, SciTech Scity, which would include a K-12 public school for roughly 750 students.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... eks_delay_on_liberty.html


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Just a correction, you do not need to be on the speaker list to speak on an ordinance. The speaker list are for any comments. But please come to city hall and speak on this matter.

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How can the land be estimated at $20 when developers brought land one minute by car according to the google map for $35 million? That land is 7 1/2 acres.

It's not 1 minute by car. It's more like 10 minutes.

Unless they build a vehicular bridge over the Morris Canal, there is no direct route between the LSC lot and downtown.

We see this differential in lots for sale. E.g. there's a lot at 379 Communipaw, .25 acres for $200k. Another lot is at 423 Grand is .33 acres and... $4 million.

And those two lots are only a 3 minute drive apart.

Is it news to you that in real estate, location is critical?


Silly comment. First, the projected project will have access to Johnston Avenue and Phillips Street. Second, the extension of Jersey Avenue into LSP is planned. So yes, it's a direct comparison.

As far as the 'donation', since it's being paid back-and JC taxpayers are second in line to receive funds to compensate for the still-as-yet unknown value of the land-let's do this.

The comp for the 7.5 acre plot, in 2015, was $35 million.

Let's use that as the valuation, in 2017, for more than DOUBLE the acreage.

Put JC in front of the 'donors' who want their 'donation' back first from whatever 'profits' are generated from 'whatever' profit generators are 'planned' but have JC keep title to the land until such time as the valuation is paid back.

How about that, shouldn't JC taxpayers get some relief?

And the carrot of a 'free' high school-great, they build a school. Is LSC paying to maintain the school? Paying the staff/administrators/janitors? Since we know JC school aid is frozen from the state, and likely diminish because of School Adjustment Aid reforms, what will be the cost to JC taxpayers for this 'free school'?

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How can the land be estimated at $20 when developers brought land one minute by car according to the google map for $35 million? That land is 7 1/2 acres.

It's not 1 minute by car. It's more like 10 minutes.

Unless they build a vehicular bridge over the Morris Canal, there is no direct route between the LSC lot and downtown.

We see this differential in lots for sale. E.g. there's a lot at 379 Communipaw, .25 acres for $200k. Another lot is at 423 Grand is .33 acres and... $4 million.

And those two lots are only a 3 minute drive apart.

Is it news to you that in real estate, location is critical?

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Sorry, Dolomiti, I mistyped-it is 78 million. And in this link, the exec dir of the JCRA says that

'the Science center is currently raising 78 million of the 280 million cost and THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PAID BACK FIRST FROM REVENUE GENERATED.'

I think you're failing to understand the structure.

The $78 million being raised now are donations. Not loans, no expectation of being paid back. If it's getting reimbursed, then it's not a donation. And yes, the term "donation" is used consistently in every article I've seen on this project.

After the project has turned $78m in profits, then the city starts getting 50% of the profits until the cost of the land is repaid. After that, the city gets 20% of profits.

I have no idea why they settled on the same number. My guess is that the initial $78m goes into an endowment.


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Do we know if they're borrowing against their endowment (if they have one), or will the city float bonds for this-who gives anyone 78 million with the expectation of getting it back without a plan, and that's before JC gets the land value back.

While I understand your confusion, and think they should probably have picked another number to start paying for the land at a different number to avoid exactly that confusion:

There is no repayment.

There is no borrowing.

There is no loan.

There are no bonds.

There is a plan.

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Please call the City Clerks office and add your name to the speakers list 201-547-2233.
The 2nd and FINAL READING IS CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR WEDNESDAY, MARCH 22 @ 6PM.
PLEASE COME OUT you OWE IT TO YOURSELF AND YOUR NEIGHBORS.

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Is this give a way a done deal or can it be stopped?

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at the end and I decided to cut my loss.



That's what the Mohel said as well.


#holla

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Esther Wintner speaks on the 16 acres of land.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Paa0K-Amrw8


Word of advice, learn how to record audio. You are outside with wind and cars driving by and audio is so bad I stopped watching after about 30 seconds. Hard to make your point if the production value is bad enough that no one watches.


I agree, I used a wirless mic and I should have brought a mic with a wire. The wireless mic picked up noise from the cars. However, it started to snow at the end and I decided to cut my loss.

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Esther Wintner speaks on the 16 acres of land.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Paa0K-Amrw8


Word of advice, learn how to record audio. You are outside with wind and cars driving by and audio is so bad I stopped watching after about 30 seconds. Hard to make your point if the production value is bad enough that no one watches.

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I don't think the skate park has been completed at Berry Lane yet.

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Thanks for the pics, stc4blues!

I am sure most people don't even know about it. I first stumbled upon it when, after Hurricane Sandy had washed away the stinky bridge, I decided to walk through that area to get to DT. On a second occasion, I walked by with my teenage daughter in tow. The skaters (all boys) didn't particularly like we were intruding in their turf (going by the stares) but kept to themselves and continued skating.

Have they moved over to the new Berry Lane Park (there is a skate park there, right?) or are they still hanging out in that wooded area?


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