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It was unintended use of the escalator handrail.... so i don't think there is any liability claim. Sorry that she died doing this silly prank. Her twin sister must live with the awful fact that she did nothing to prevent it.


Incorrect word choice. She was drunk and over-reached for a hat that fell off.

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Why are you so invested in shaming a dead person?


Who's shaming a dead person? Take another look at my post.

What was the point of your post exactly?

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It was unintended use of the escalator handrail.... so i don't think there is any liability claim. Sorry that she died doing this silly prank. Her twin sister must live with the awful fact that she did nothing to prevent it.


Incorrect word choice. She was drunk and over-reached for a hat that fell off.

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Why are you so invested in shaming a dead person?


Who's shaming a dead person? Take another look at my post.

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Why are you so invested in shaming a dead person?


I'm with Mr. TwoPoops on this.

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It was unintended use of the escalator handrail.... so i don't think there is any liability claim. Sorry that she died doing this silly prank. Her twin sister must live with the awful fact that she did nothing to prevent it.


Incorrect word choice. She was drunk and over-reached for a hat that fell off.

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"the individuals who were pranked thought they were auditioning to be a TV show host"


Why are you so invested in shaming a dead person?

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It was unintended use of the escalator handrail.... so i don't think there is any liability claim. Sorry that she died doing this silly prank. Her twin sister must live with the awful fact that she did nothing to prevent it.


Incorrect word choice. She was drunk and over-reached for a hat that fell off.

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"the individuals who were pranked thought they were auditioning to be a TV show host"

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Serious question: If no one cosigned and she's dead, what does her debt matter? Are they going to go after her sister, parents?


In some cases, yes - and the collection efforts are aggressive.

Christie did sign a law last year covering some student debts.

When my little brother passed away in 2002, I remember Gateway wanted me (his executrix and caregiver) to ship back his computer that he had financed. They were very aggressive in their tactics. I told them to basically f off. The computer sits in my closet to this very day.


Sorry for your loss and for bringing that memory back. Thanks for the reply and information.

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Serious question: If no one cosigned and she's dead, what does her debt matter? Are they going to go after her sister, parents?


In some cases, yes - and the collection efforts are aggressive.

Christie did sign a law last year covering some student debts.

When my little brother passed away in 2002, I remember Gateway wanted me (his executrix and caregiver) to ship back his computer that he had financed. They were very aggressive in their tactics. I told them to basically f off. The computer sits in my closet to this very day.

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Serious question: If no one cosigned and she's dead, what does her debt matter? Are they going to go after her sister, parents?

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Very sad for the lady who seemed like she was in the prime of her life.

RIP

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Seems they met their $20k target on gofundme - because now they're asking for $30k...

https://www.gofundme.com/in-loving-memory-of-jenny-santos

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Federal loans automatically discharge... Even if they were private loans, the family has galls I'll give them that. If it were me, I would go dig a hole and hide from embarrassment.

It just gets dumber and dumber. I hope the security guy doesn't feel bad. What, was he suppose to shut down the entire elevator and his post for 30 or 60 min to retrieve a hat?

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/m ... -plunge-article-1.2971732


That's an interesting story that certainly sheds some more light on things - though the gore at the end was completely disrespectful and unnecessary.

And all of this could've been prevented - from all parties, it seems.

A very sad, sad loss indeed.


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The Oculus is a death trap waiting to happen. If there is ever a situation that causes a panic there, it will be terrible. The stairs leading to the Path trains are terribly designed, the flooring and stairs are hard marble, and there are far too few open exits. The side exits are short escalator, stairs, and another set of escalators with lines to get on the escalators any time around rush hour. Commuters are always walking into one another's way. I compute there each workday and everyday I look to see if they have opened more exits (they have not). It was designed for an open concept and for shopping, but it a terrible commuting hub.


I have no doubt that in your opinion and from your perspective this is true. But I see it the exact opposite. Multiple shorter runs give people options when exiting, especially if there is an inoperable point of egress. I find the entire space to function beautifully in large crowds when people can navigate the large, unencumbered space and wide stairs. So, to each his own.

I'd add that they almost certainly ran crowd flow simulations at various points in the design process. That's fairly easy to do with modern software.

AFAIK there are at least 5 points of egress, in different directions. It's easier to get out of than, say, most of Penn Station -- or the old mall under the WTC.

My biggest issue in this respect is the lack of hand rails on the two wide staircases. That doesn't make sense to me.

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The Oculus is a death trap waiting to happen. If there is ever a situation that causes a panic there, it will be terrible. The stairs leading to the Path trains are terribly designed, the flooring and stairs are hard marble, and there are far too few open exits. The side exits are short escalator, stairs, and another set of escalators with lines to get on the escalators any time around rush hour. Commuters are always walking into one another's way. I compute there each workday and everyday I look to see if they have opened more exits (they have not). It was designed for an open concept and for shopping, but it a terrible commuting hub.


I have no doubt that in your opinion and from your perspective this is true. But I see it the exact opposite. Multiple shorter runs give people options when exiting, especially if there is an inoperable point of egress. I find the entire space to function beautifully in large crowds when people can navigate the large, unencumbered space and wide stairs. So, to each his own.

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When you die, your student debt goes with you. It's not inherited. What am I missing?


Private co-signed loans are not automatically forgiven, depends on the company and fine print of each individual loan. Cosigned government loans are automatically forgiven.

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If her parents co-signed those loans...

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When you die, your student debt goes with you. It's not inherited. What am I missing?

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Federal loans automatically discharge... Even if they were private loans, the family has galls I'll give them that. If it were me, I would go dig a hole and hide from embarrassment.

It just gets dumber and dumber. I hope the security guy doesn't feel bad. What, was he suppose to shut down the entire elevator and his post for 30 or 60 min to retrieve a hat?

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/m ... -plunge-article-1.2971732

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Ms. Santos' GoFundMe page (to collect money to pay off her school debt) indicates "many of the stories" circulating in the press are fabricated. Hmmm.


These stories come from people who say they watched the videotape.

Wouldn't be surprised at all if the person who set up this page was just saying that because they didn't want to discourage donations. Also, since this happened right next to the twin sister, who went to the hospital purely for her mental trauma, I wouldn't be surprised if the sister is in denial of what happened, because accepting the truth could literally kill her.

I trust the videotape and can't think of any reason why these people would be lying. It's certainly not to discourage a lawsuit, because then the tape would come out anyway. However, even assuming that the person who set up this funding page is lying, it is still a very sad story.

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JCishome wrote: I can't help but think of the 10,000 dumb things I've done after a few drinks. I was just luckier than this young lady.


This is exactly what I was thinking. My thoughts are with the family.

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Ms. Santos' GoFundMe page (to collect money to pay off her school debt) indicates "many of the stories" circulating in the press are fabricated. Hmmm.

I can't believe they collected $17k all ready. I'm usually cynical of these type of charities.


With good reason besides dubious causes (a fool and his money...). GoFundMe takes a nice chunk of each donation. Further, as I've run a few of them for community members in need, people can make donations and then effectively cancel them a month later when their credit card statement arrives and they don't "remember" making that charge. That comes right back out of your bank account as a reverse charge if you've withdrawn the collected funds and used them for the charitable purpose. It's happened to our fundraisers several times and GoFundMe doesn't care. Also, funds you collect could be taxable in certain cases - GoFundMe sends out 1099's at year end - and beneficiaries are on the hook for these taxes.

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Ms. Santos' GoFundMe page (to collect money to pay off her school debt) indicates "many of the stories" circulating in the press are fabricated. Hmmm.

I can't believe they collected $17k all ready. I'm usually cynical of these type of charities.

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Ms. Santos' GoFundMe page (to collect money to pay off her school debt) indicates "many of the stories" circulating in the press are fabricated. Hmmm.

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cant be careless around escalator.

this was another tragic accident that happened in china recently that was escalator related.

The baby died, the little girl luckily held onto the steps and didnt fall down. Very sad.

https://youtu.be/IB-oo-kosSo


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It's so sad, she sounds like she was a terrific kid, a great daughter and sister-accomplished, active, driven. As someone said earlier, many of us got away with doing silly/stupid things. She didn't. RIP.

I agree Monroe, as much as I feel doing a stupid thing can reap havoc on our lives I still felt bad when I read this story. She had a lot going for her, such a sorry loss.

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It's so sad, she sounds like she was a terrific kid, a great daughter and sister-accomplished, active, driven. As someone said earlier, many of us got away with doing silly/stupid things. She didn't. RIP.

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Dram shop or barkeeper's liability applies to a person injured by the drunk person, not to injury to the person drinking.

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Great advice coming from someone with a name like TwoPoops. I bet if it was a poor JC kid who did this -- you'd be singing a different tune.

BTW, if her blood level was very high - can the bar she was last at be sued?


Uh no I'm pretty sure I'd still be singing the tune of "people who are this excited to mock the dead have some personal issues they need to work out."

What does class or social status have to do with caring if someone died or not to you? What a gross and unsympathetic person you must be.

I guess in your eyes TTP you would call the dead a hero. And yeah sometimes we feel worse or better depending on the characteristics of the dead.

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What does class or social status have to do with caring if someone died or not to you? What a gross and unsympathetic person you must be.


Yes. This is sad and unfortunate. Life is complicated, people too. I find it hard to think that what this young woman did is beyond the limit of human adventurousness. Unfortunately things went wrong. Sometimes that happens.

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It was unintended use of the escalator handrail.... so i don't think there is any liability claim. Sorry that she died doing this silly prank. Her twin sister must live with the awful fact that she did nothing to prevent it.

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Great advice coming from someone with a name like TwoPoops. I bet if it was a poor JC kid who did this -- you'd be singing a different tune.

BTW, if her blood level was very high - can the bar she was last at be sued?


Uh no I'm pretty sure I'd still be singing the tune of "people who are this excited to mock the dead have some personal issues they need to work out."

What does class or social status have to do with caring if someone died or not to you? What a gross and unsympathetic person you must be.

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