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so scumbag threatedned to send the us military to mexico to take on the "bad hombres". wtf

https://www.yahoo.com/news/president-t ... ens-send-u-234404938.html


You are a victim of fake news, which is rampant in our mass media.

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so scumbag threatedned to send the us military to mexico to take on the "bad hombres". wtf

https://www.yahoo.com/news/president-t ... ens-send-u-234404938.html

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his black history month speech was very eloquent, thoughtful, insightful..he probably spent all night writing and preparing. I'm sure he really found Freddie Douglas as ammmmmmaaaaazing.

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Props to President Trump for supporting the slain Seal Team hero killed this week.

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his black history month speech was very eloquent, thoughtful, insightful..he probably spent all night writing and preparing. I'm sure he really found Freddie Douglas as ammmmmmaaaaazing.

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who knew that republicans could so quickly turn against free trade?

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Obama had a two year ban on political appointees from lobbying; President Trump not only put in a 5 year ban, but a permanent ban on any of his administration officials EVER lobbying on behalf of a foreign nation. Rather refreshing, and something both sides can support, right? And he supports term limits.


Don't be silly. Everyone knows it is our moral duty to oppose President Trump no matter what he does. After all, he is the next Hitler.


Don't be silly. Everyone knows it is our moral duty to support President Trump no matter what he does. After all, he is our fearless leader.


You imply I'm not ok with reasonable opposition.

The main objection, shared by all Trump voters, is the unending hysteria and tantrums that "progressives" are engaging in. And like I said, they do this for just about absolutely everything he does.

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Obama had a two year ban on political appointees from lobbying; President Trump not only put in a 5 year ban, but a permanent ban on any of his administration officials EVER lobbying on behalf of a foreign nation. Rather refreshing, and something both sides can support, right? And he supports term limits.


Don't be silly. Everyone knows it is our moral duty to oppose President Trump no matter what he does. After all, he is the next Hitler.


Don't be silly. Everyone knows it is our moral duty to support President Trump no matter what he does. After all, he is our fearless leader.

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Trump made one of the best possible choices in nominating Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court.

Just such good news.

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Don't be silly. Everyone knows it is our moral duty to oppose President Trump no matter what he does. After all, he is the next Hitler.

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Obama had a two year ban on political appointees from lobbying; President Trump not only put in a 5 year ban, but a permanent ban on any of his administration officials EVER lobbying on behalf of a foreign nation. Rather refreshing, and something both sides can support, right? And he supports term limits.

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Five people were killed after gunmen opened fire in a Quebec City mosque during evening prayers, the mosque’s president told reporters on Sunday.

Earlier, a witness told Reuters that up to three gunmen fired on about 40 people inside the Quebec City Islamic Cultural Center. Police put up a security perimeter around the mosque and declined to comment to reporters about the incident.

“Why is this happening here? This is barbaric,” said the mosque’s president, Mohamed Yangui.

In June 2016, a pig’s head was left on the doorstep of the cultural centre.

Yangui, who was not inside the mosque when the shooting occurred, said he got frantic calls from people at evening prayers. He did not know how many were injured, saying they had been taken to different hospitals across Quebec City.

Incidents of Islamophobia increased in Quebec in recent years amid a political debate over banning the niqab, or Muslim face covering. In 2013, police investigated after a mosque in the Saguenay region of Quebec was splattered with what was believed to be pig blood.

In the neighboring province of Ontario, a mosque was set on fire in 2015, a day after an attack by gunmen and suicide bombers in Paris.

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Also - Texas Mosque 'Completely Destroyed' in Early-Morning Fire


Witnesses reported the gunmen were screaming Allahu Akbar! Both had a Quebecois accent.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montrea ... osque-gun-shots-1.3957686

Yet again, thank God that Trump was elected and the emotional children lost!!!


Actually...

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/ ... ne-posts/article33833044/

´The suspect in the deadly attack on a Quebec City mosque was known in the city's activist circles as a right-wing troll who frequently took anti-foreigner and anti-feminist positions and stood up for U.S. President Donald Trump.´


The poor Trumpians get owned again.

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As reported in tonight’s news feed, gunmen shot up a mosque in Quebec City, killing at least five people.

Early news stories gave a bare-bones account of the incident, followed by the Narrative describing “Islamophobia” in Quebec, and a recent increase of Islamophobic incidents.

Then came reports from eyewitnesses who said that the gunmen had been shouting “Allahu Akhbar” as they fired their weapons. That shot holes in the Narrative, too — unless, of course, the shooters were white-supremacist neo-Nazis who were just pretending to be Muslims.

The following video sheds some light on what may actually have happened in Quebec City tonight. It’s taken from the Facebook page of the mosque that was attacked. In it you’ll hear the imam of the mosque discuss the enmity of former members of the congregation who were unhappy with the blasphemous “moderation” of this mosque — that is, the shot-up mosque was full of murtadeen, or apostates.

Tonight’s attack may well have been an execution of Islamic justice against murtadeen by Salafist zealots.

Many thanks to Sandra Solomon for the translation, and to Vlad Tepes for the subtitling:


https://youtu.be/eAbpiNQyTUs


https://www.yahoo.com/news/quebec-susp ... ances-wing-012836940.html

Crazy xenophobe


After the Pulse shooting in Orlando, the media first lied and said he was gay, and then spent all their energy blaming it on easy access to guns and calling for gun control.

I expect you to be consistent here.

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As reported in tonight’s news feed, gunmen shot up a mosque in Quebec City, killing at least five people.

Early news stories gave a bare-bones account of the incident, followed by the Narrative describing “Islamophobia” in Quebec, and a recent increase of Islamophobic incidents.

Then came reports from eyewitnesses who said that the gunmen had been shouting “Allahu Akhbar” as they fired their weapons. That shot holes in the Narrative, too — unless, of course, the shooters were white-supremacist neo-Nazis who were just pretending to be Muslims.

The following video sheds some light on what may actually have happened in Quebec City tonight. It’s taken from the Facebook page of the mosque that was attacked. In it you’ll hear the imam of the mosque discuss the enmity of former members of the congregation who were unhappy with the blasphemous “moderation” of this mosque — that is, the shot-up mosque was full of murtadeen, or apostates.

Tonight’s attack may well have been an execution of Islamic justice against murtadeen by Salafist zealots.

Many thanks to Sandra Solomon for the translation, and to Vlad Tepes for the subtitling:


https://youtu.be/eAbpiNQyTUs


https://www.yahoo.com/news/quebec-susp ... ances-wing-012836940.html

Crazy xenophobe

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Five people were killed after gunmen opened fire in a Quebec City mosque during evening prayers, the mosque’s president told reporters on Sunday.

Earlier, a witness told Reuters that up to three gunmen fired on about 40 people inside the Quebec City Islamic Cultural Center. Police put up a security perimeter around the mosque and declined to comment to reporters about the incident.

“Why is this happening here? This is barbaric,” said the mosque’s president, Mohamed Yangui.

In June 2016, a pig’s head was left on the doorstep of the cultural centre.

Yangui, who was not inside the mosque when the shooting occurred, said he got frantic calls from people at evening prayers. He did not know how many were injured, saying they had been taken to different hospitals across Quebec City.

Incidents of Islamophobia increased in Quebec in recent years amid a political debate over banning the niqab, or Muslim face covering. In 2013, police investigated after a mosque in the Saguenay region of Quebec was splattered with what was believed to be pig blood.

In the neighboring province of Ontario, a mosque was set on fire in 2015, a day after an attack by gunmen and suicide bombers in Paris.

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Also - Texas Mosque 'Completely Destroyed' in Early-Morning Fire


Witnesses reported the gunmen were screaming Allahu Akbar! Both had a Quebecois accent.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montrea ... osque-gun-shots-1.3957686

Yet again, thank God that Trump was elected and the emotional children lost!!!


Actually...

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/ ... ne-posts/article33833044/

´The suspect in the deadly attack on a Quebec City mosque was known in the city's activist circles as a right-wing troll who frequently took anti-foreigner and anti-feminist positions and stood up for U.S. President Donald Trump.´


He no doubt was a French Canadian separatist... Trudeau and his diverse community. There has never been much diversity in Quebec.


Trudeau is the prime minister of (all of) Canada and Canada is very diverse.





Sorry to burst your utopic view about a diverse happy Canada.... but here are the facts about Quebec and their violent separatist history

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/cha ... quebecs-young-separatists


Not sure what in my post made you think that I have an ´utopic view about a diverse happy Canada'...

Was just stated that Trudeau governs more than Quebec but all of Canada and Canada is very very diverse country, despite Québec being not so much...

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Five people were killed after gunmen opened fire in a Quebec City mosque during evening prayers, the mosque’s president told reporters on Sunday.

Earlier, a witness told Reuters that up to three gunmen fired on about 40 people inside the Quebec City Islamic Cultural Center. Police put up a security perimeter around the mosque and declined to comment to reporters about the incident.

“Why is this happening here? This is barbaric,” said the mosque’s president, Mohamed Yangui.

In June 2016, a pig’s head was left on the doorstep of the cultural centre.

Yangui, who was not inside the mosque when the shooting occurred, said he got frantic calls from people at evening prayers. He did not know how many were injured, saying they had been taken to different hospitals across Quebec City.

Incidents of Islamophobia increased in Quebec in recent years amid a political debate over banning the niqab, or Muslim face covering. In 2013, police investigated after a mosque in the Saguenay region of Quebec was splattered with what was believed to be pig blood.

In the neighboring province of Ontario, a mosque was set on fire in 2015, a day after an attack by gunmen and suicide bombers in Paris.

Source

Also - Texas Mosque 'Completely Destroyed' in Early-Morning Fire


Witnesses reported the gunmen were screaming Allahu Akbar! Both had a Quebecois accent.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montrea ... osque-gun-shots-1.3957686

Yet again, thank God that Trump was elected and the emotional children lost!!!


Actually...

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/ ... ne-posts/article33833044/

´The suspect in the deadly attack on a Quebec City mosque was known in the city's activist circles as a right-wing troll who frequently took anti-foreigner and anti-feminist positions and stood up for U.S. President Donald Trump.´


He no doubt was a French Canadian separatist... Trudeau and his diverse community. There has never been much diversity in Quebec.


Trudeau is the prime minister of (all of) Canada and Canada is very diverse.





Sorry to burst your utopic view about a diverse happy Canada.... but here are the facts about Quebec and their violent separatist history

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/cha ... quebecs-young-separatists

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Five people were killed after gunmen opened fire in a Quebec City mosque during evening prayers, the mosque’s president told reporters on Sunday.

Earlier, a witness told Reuters that up to three gunmen fired on about 40 people inside the Quebec City Islamic Cultural Center. Police put up a security perimeter around the mosque and declined to comment to reporters about the incident.

“Why is this happening here? This is barbaric,” said the mosque’s president, Mohamed Yangui.

In June 2016, a pig’s head was left on the doorstep of the cultural centre.

Yangui, who was not inside the mosque when the shooting occurred, said he got frantic calls from people at evening prayers. He did not know how many were injured, saying they had been taken to different hospitals across Quebec City.

Incidents of Islamophobia increased in Quebec in recent years amid a political debate over banning the niqab, or Muslim face covering. In 2013, police investigated after a mosque in the Saguenay region of Quebec was splattered with what was believed to be pig blood.

In the neighboring province of Ontario, a mosque was set on fire in 2015, a day after an attack by gunmen and suicide bombers in Paris.

Source

Also - Texas Mosque 'Completely Destroyed' in Early-Morning Fire


Witnesses reported the gunmen were screaming Allahu Akbar! Both had a Quebecois accent.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montrea ... osque-gun-shots-1.3957686

Yet again, thank God that Trump was elected and the emotional children lost!!!


Actually...

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/ ... ne-posts/article33833044/

´The suspect in the deadly attack on a Quebec City mosque was known in the city's activist circles as a right-wing troll who frequently took anti-foreigner and anti-feminist positions and stood up for U.S. President Donald Trump.´


He no doubt was a French Canadian separatist... Trudeau and his diverse community. There has never been much diversity in Quebec.


Trudeau is the prime minister of (all of) Canada and Canada is very diverse.


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Five people were killed after gunmen opened fire in a Quebec City mosque during evening prayers, the mosque’s president told reporters on Sunday.

Earlier, a witness told Reuters that up to three gunmen fired on about 40 people inside the Quebec City Islamic Cultural Center. Police put up a security perimeter around the mosque and declined to comment to reporters about the incident.

“Why is this happening here? This is barbaric,” said the mosque’s president, Mohamed Yangui.

In June 2016, a pig’s head was left on the doorstep of the cultural centre.

Yangui, who was not inside the mosque when the shooting occurred, said he got frantic calls from people at evening prayers. He did not know how many were injured, saying they had been taken to different hospitals across Quebec City.

Incidents of Islamophobia increased in Quebec in recent years amid a political debate over banning the niqab, or Muslim face covering. In 2013, police investigated after a mosque in the Saguenay region of Quebec was splattered with what was believed to be pig blood.

In the neighboring province of Ontario, a mosque was set on fire in 2015, a day after an attack by gunmen and suicide bombers in Paris.

Source

Also - Texas Mosque 'Completely Destroyed' in Early-Morning Fire


Witnesses reported the gunmen were screaming Allahu Akbar! Both had a Quebecois accent.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montrea ... osque-gun-shots-1.3957686

Yet again, thank God that Trump was elected and the emotional children lost!!!


Actually...

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/ ... ne-posts/article33833044/

´The suspect in the deadly attack on a Quebec City mosque was known in the city's activist circles as a right-wing troll who frequently took anti-foreigner and anti-feminist positions and stood up for U.S. President Donald Trump.´


He no doubt was a French Canadian separatist... Trudeau and his diverse community. There has never been much diversity in Quebec.

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Sounds like Trump wants to provoke or is preparing for some sort of HOLY WAR.

By the way, Steve Jobs had a Syrian Heritage ... His father was a MUSLIM Syrian !

Also, will this mean the US will revoke our membership to the UN Human Rights Commission ?

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In an extraordinary move, Acting Attorney General Sally Yates has ordered Justice Department lawyers not to defend President Trump’s executive order blocking immigrants from seven mostly Muslim countries.

“I am responsible for ensuring that the positions we take in court remain consistent with this institution’s solemn obligation to always seek justice and stand for what is right,” Yates said in an email to lawyers of the Civil Division on Monday.

“At present, I am not convinced that the defense of the executive order is consistent with these responsibilities nor am I convinced that the executive order is lawful,” she added.

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Sally Yates has just been fired by Trump.


That was a foregone conclusion. She was a goner anyway. Trump to Yates: You're fired!

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Loretta Lynch would've been fired by Obama is she had decided to prosecute crooked Hillary I'm sure. For this Obama appointee to defy the White House-we'll, you're fired!

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Five people were killed after gunmen opened fire in a Quebec City mosque during evening prayers, the mosque’s president told reporters on Sunday.

Earlier, a witness told Reuters that up to three gunmen fired on about 40 people inside the Quebec City Islamic Cultural Center. Police put up a security perimeter around the mosque and declined to comment to reporters about the incident.

“Why is this happening here? This is barbaric,” said the mosque’s president, Mohamed Yangui.

In June 2016, a pig’s head was left on the doorstep of the cultural centre.

Yangui, who was not inside the mosque when the shooting occurred, said he got frantic calls from people at evening prayers. He did not know how many were injured, saying they had been taken to different hospitals across Quebec City.

Incidents of Islamophobia increased in Quebec in recent years amid a political debate over banning the niqab, or Muslim face covering. In 2013, police investigated after a mosque in the Saguenay region of Quebec was splattered with what was believed to be pig blood.

In the neighboring province of Ontario, a mosque was set on fire in 2015, a day after an attack by gunmen and suicide bombers in Paris.

Source

Also - Texas Mosque 'Completely Destroyed' in Early-Morning Fire


Witnesses reported the gunmen were screaming Allahu Akbar! Both had a Quebecois accent.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montrea ... osque-gun-shots-1.3957686

Yet again, thank God that Trump was elected and the emotional children lost!!!


Actually...

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/ ... ne-posts/article33833044/

´The suspect in the deadly attack on a Quebec City mosque was known in the city's activist circles as a right-wing troll who frequently took anti-foreigner and anti-feminist positions and stood up for U.S. President Donald Trump.´

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In an extraordinary move, Acting Attorney General Sally Yates has ordered Justice Department lawyers not to defend President Trump’s executive order blocking immigrants from seven mostly Muslim countries.

“I am responsible for ensuring that the positions we take in court remain consistent with this institution’s solemn obligation to always seek justice and stand for what is right,” Yates said in an email to lawyers of the Civil Division on Monday.

“At present, I am not convinced that the defense of the executive order is consistent with these responsibilities nor am I convinced that the executive order is lawful,” she added.

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Sally Yates has just been fired by Trump.

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In an extraordinary move, Acting Attorney General Sally Yates has ordered Justice Department lawyers not to defend President Trump’s executive order blocking immigrants from seven mostly Muslim countries.

“I am responsible for ensuring that the positions we take in court remain consistent with this institution’s solemn obligation to always seek justice and stand for what is right,” Yates said in an email to lawyers of the Civil Division on Monday.

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It's not really shocking when the executive order was formed without much consultation. If people think this is purely political, there are many Republicans in Congress not happy with the executive order and not just because of how bad the optics are, they also agree it's bad policy because of how it was formed.

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By Daniel Halper January 30, 2017 | 6:59pm |

In an extraordinary move, Acting Attorney General Sally Yates has ordered Justice Department lawyers not to defend President Trump’s executive order blocking immigrants from seven mostly Muslim countries.

“I am responsible for ensuring that the positions we take in court remain consistent with this institution’s solemn obligation to always seek justice and stand for what is right,” Yates said in an email to lawyers of the Civil Division on Monday.

“At present, I am not convinced that the defense of the executive order is consistent with these responsibilities nor am I convinced that the executive order is lawful,” she added.

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Especially since many of those European immigrants were dirt poor and social pariahs in their own countries of origin.

It's also true that the US banned some Jews from entering the country when they were fleeing Nazi Germany. Is that where Trump wants us to return to as a country?

That is the history of America and some people here seem to have a terrible grasp of history. The real history, not the alternative kind.



Add yourself to the list.

In the real history of America, immigration policy was settled by the question: will accepting these immigrants benefit our nation?

It's true that we took plenty of unskilled immigrants, but that's because there was plenty of unskilled work that needed to be done. Working to construct the railroads was one huge project.

We never had some kind of open door policy, and it's not going to happen now. It would be unsustainable given our generous social services which are available for immigrants.

And your terrible analogy to the Jews was already debunked in the Atlantic article I posted. Not to mention, the safe zones that President Trump is working to establish in the Middle East will be a safe place for refugees to live.


It's true that there were economic reasons for accepting immigrants in the past. That hasn't changed.

What has changed is areas of responsibility. We not only have military footprints in many of these countries, we are actually engaged in the conflicts that arose from many of these displacements. The Jewish analogy fits in because we got involved in World War II and we became very much involved in the fate of the Jewish people. Whether you agree in our involvement in these affairs or not, we do bear a responsibility since we are involved.


No, we don't bear this kind of responsibility, and will fulfill any humanitarian obligations through the safe zones.

The Jewish analogy is horrible for several reasons, not the least of which is the fact that these Muslims are killing each other. If the analogy applies at all, it is to a religious minority, which are the Syrian Christians.

You know, the same ones that Obama seemed to go out of his way to reject. Christians are 10% of Syria's population yet made up less than 1% of Syrian refugees admitted last year.

That's why Trump wil be prioritizing them, once the refugee ban is lifted. And even then I would argue we don't have the responsibility to take them. But if you're going to use the Jewish analogy, that's where it goes.


That's your opinion, that you think safe zones are enough. Apparently it wasn't, ever since we invaded Iraq. I wonder why?

There is no real evidence that Obama rejected Christian refugees but we do have Trump saying he would start a Muslim ban during his presidential campaign. Too bad his ban also affected Christian refugees.


No, it is not just my opinion. In fact, we had an election on this very issue. As I'm sure you will acknowledge, the different policy stances were communicated loud and clear. Everyone knew the platforms of each candidate. And Trump won.

What people like these protesters are doing is essentially being a sore loser. I include you in this group because you are trying to skirt the fact that Trump is merely doing exactly what was promised. Something I, and 60 million other Americans, strongly believe is in our own best interest for our long term future. And you seem to be sneakily claiming that my stance is a mere "opinion," making yours fact. When it just simply isn't the case.

At best, you have a contrary opinion that was put on the ballot and rejected.

The only legitimate objection one could have to Trump's orders is the fact that some green card holders initially seemed to be banned as well. But that was quickly cleared up as a mistake in administering the order, and green card holders can travel back and forth, albeit with extra questioning. The refugee issue is settled, and as I said, we don't have a responsibility to bring them here.


Well if you are going to politicize this issue then I can rightfully say Republicans have been sore losers for the past 8 years. That doesn't really get us anywhere.

It is entirely your opinion at this point because the country as a whole hasn't followed this trend, and it won't. I guess we just have to wait and see. So far, it's not looking good for your guy.

All politics aside, I would really like to see how just having safe zones will accomplish anything. How exactly do you establish a safe zone in Syria? Boots on the ground? Talk his BFF out of backing Assad? Most of these refugees are not fleeing because of ISIS. It is because their own government has been bombing them.

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Especially since many of those European immigrants were dirt poor and social pariahs in their own countries of origin.

It's also true that the US banned some Jews from entering the country when they were fleeing Nazi Germany. Is that where Trump wants us to return to as a country?

That is the history of America and some people here seem to have a terrible grasp of history. The real history, not the alternative kind.



Add yourself to the list.

In the real history of America, immigration policy was settled by the question: will accepting these immigrants benefit our nation?

It's true that we took plenty of unskilled immigrants, but that's because there was plenty of unskilled work that needed to be done. Working to construct the railroads was one huge project.

We never had some kind of open door policy, and it's not going to happen now. It would be unsustainable given our generous social services which are available for immigrants.

And your terrible analogy to the Jews was already debunked in the Atlantic article I posted. Not to mention, the safe zones that President Trump is working to establish in the Middle East will be a safe place for refugees to live.


It's true that there were economic reasons for accepting immigrants in the past. That hasn't changed.

What has changed is areas of responsibility. We not only have military footprints in many of these countries, we are actually engaged in the conflicts that arose from many of these displacements. The Jewish analogy fits in because we got involved in World War II and we became very much involved in the fate of the Jewish people. Whether you agree in our involvement in these affairs or not, we do bear a responsibility since we are involved.


No, we don't bear this kind of responsibility, and will fulfill any humanitarian obligations through the safe zones.

The Jewish analogy is horrible for several reasons, not the least of which is the fact that these Muslims are killing each other. If the analogy applies at all, it is to a religious minority, which are the Syrian Christians.

You know, the same ones that Obama seemed to go out of his way to reject. Christians are 10% of Syria's population yet made up less than 1% of Syrian refugees admitted last year.

That's why Trump wil be prioritizing them, once the refugee ban is lifted. And even then I would argue we don't have the responsibility to take them. But if you're going to use the Jewish analogy, that's where it goes.


That's your opinion, that you think safe zones are enough. Apparently it wasn't, ever since we invaded Iraq. I wonder why?

There is no real evidence that Obama rejected Christian refugees but we do have Trump saying he would start a Muslim ban during his presidential campaign. Too bad his ban also affected Christian refugees.


No, it is not just my opinion. In fact, we had an election on this very issue. As I'm sure you will acknowledge, the different policy stances were communicated loud and clear. Everyone knew the platforms of each candidate. And Trump won.

What people like these protesters are doing is essentially being a sore loser. I include you in this group because you are trying to skirt the fact that Trump is merely doing exactly what was promised. Something I, and 60 million other Americans, strongly believe is in our own best interest for our long term future. And you seem to be sneakily claiming that my stance is a mere "opinion," making yours fact. When it just simply isn't the case.

At best, you have a contrary opinion that was put on the ballot and rejected.

The only legitimate objection one could have to Trump's orders is the fact that some green card holders initially seemed to be banned as well. But that was quickly cleared up as a mistake in administering the order, and green card holders can travel back and forth, albeit with extra questioning. The refugee issue is settled, and as I said, we don't have a responsibility to bring them here.

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Especially since many of those European immigrants were dirt poor and social pariahs in their own countries of origin.

It's also true that the US banned some Jews from entering the country when they were fleeing Nazi Germany. Is that where Trump wants us to return to as a country?

That is the history of America and some people here seem to have a terrible grasp of history. The real history, not the alternative kind.



Add yourself to the list.

In the real history of America, immigration policy was settled by the question: will accepting these immigrants benefit our nation?

It's true that we took plenty of unskilled immigrants, but that's because there was plenty of unskilled work that needed to be done. Working to construct the railroads was one huge project.

We never had some kind of open door policy, and it's not going to happen now. It would be unsustainable given our generous social services which are available for immigrants.

And your terrible analogy to the Jews was already debunked in the Atlantic article I posted. Not to mention, the safe zones that President Trump is working to establish in the Middle East will be a safe place for refugees to live.


It's true that there were economic reasons for accepting immigrants in the past. That hasn't changed.

What has changed is areas of responsibility. We not only have military footprints in many of these countries, we are actually engaged in the conflicts that arose from many of these displacements. The Jewish analogy fits in because we got involved in World War II and we became very much involved in the fate of the Jewish people. Whether you agree in our involvement in these affairs or not, we do bear a responsibility since we are involved.


No, we don't bear this kind of responsibility, and will fulfill any humanitarian obligations through the safe zones.

The Jewish analogy is horrible for several reasons, not the least of which is the fact that these Muslims are killing each other. If the analogy applies at all, it is to a religious minority, which are the Syrian Christians.

You know, the same ones that Obama seemed to go out of his way to reject. Christians are 10% of Syria's population yet made up less than 1% of Syrian refugees admitted last year.

That's why Trump wil be prioritizing them, once the refugee ban is lifted. And even then I would argue we don't have the responsibility to take them. But if you're going to use the Jewish analogy, that's where it goes.


That's your opinion, that you think safe zones are enough. Apparently it wasn't, ever since we invaded Iraq. I wonder why?

There is no real evidence that Obama rejected Christian refugees but we do have Trump saying he would start a Muslim ban during his presidential campaign. Too bad his ban also affected Christian refugees.

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