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I was in NYC the other day and viewed the security first hand -- very cool to see the powers on display.
The helicopters were especially impressive.

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If given a choice between NYC and JC they will stay on the NJ side. Just like they do with the endless heli-tours...


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The news choppers are very annoying. They never hover over NYC they hammer NJ. These choppers will be replaced by drones - the sooner the better.

Let city hall know they hurt your quality of life. They do track a Aviation noise complaints



This is patently false. News copters hover over NYC all the time to cover things as mundane as heavy traffic as well as to cover ongoing serious crime situations.

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The news choppers are very annoying. They never hover over NYC they hammer NJ. These choppers will be replaced by drones - the sooner the better.

Let city hall know they hurt your quality of life. They do track a Aviation noise complaints

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Water main break. A news choppers is covering the situation.

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615 AM - helicopter hovering above 1st - 3rd street area near shop rite - can be heard from Hamilton Park. 622 AM - still hovering - why? It woke me up at 615 AM - so not sure how long it really has been hovering - could be since 6 . . . 545 AM ? Very annoying.

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St. Johns Apts have about 20 stories in located Journal Square on Kennedy Blvd. I have seen the helicopters fly at 10 stories buzzing pass those apartments. They must have a great deal of noise.

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Few months ago Yonkers banned all tourist helicopter operations and passed a local law. Helicopter Flight Services aka heliny.com which operated from Goldman Sachs heliport in JC until Dec 2013 wanted to buy some land there and restart their night flights(9:00AM-9:00PM 7 days) to make it miserable again for all of us that live around Hudson River.
With help of Stop The Chop NY/NJ we educated locals in Yonkers which helped push the ban in Yonkers.

Now there is another Bill in NJ Assembly and received following email below from our President. These helicopters do not only disturb people on the waterfront but they fly over JC many times a day by following Newport-> Target-> Rt 139 -> Journal Sq route at very low altitudes as they travel back and forth between Hudson River and Kearny Heliport .

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"Dear NJ Members and Friends:

We received the below email from NJ Assemblyman Giblin about an important bill which would ban the helicopter tourist business from operating anywhere in the State of New Jersey. As all NYC tourist helicopters currently park overnight in New Jersey (the Downtown Manhattan Heliport at Wall Street has no overnight parking facilities), this legislation, if passed, would be a real game-changer. For too long, the State of New Jersey has born the large majority of the noise pollution but none of the (miniscule) economic benefit from NYC tourist helicopter business. Time for NJ to stand up for itself. If you live in NJ, please contact your assemblyman and state senator and demand that they support this bill. You can do it through our web site:

http://www.stopthechopnynj.org/how-you-can-help.html

You can also learn more about the pending legislation here:

https://legiscan.com/NJ/bill/A1998/2016"

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This is better than nothing, but still a pretty bad deal. DeBlasio protects the heli-tourism which barely contributes to the NYC coffers and Fulop hasn't been vocal enough or demanded that pilots stay off the NJ side of the Hudson.

Where is our Mayor on this issue - the entire Hudson facing area gets slammed with this endless noise.


The clip posted by Stringer may have answered that question. Mr. Fulop didn’t offer any personal opinion other than his belief that a total ban on tourist flights isn’t realistic, so that could be as much support for his constituents as we’re going to get. While he certainly made it easy for me to believe he doesn’t care, I disagree the industry is here to stay permanently.

On one hand, trying to shut down a long-running enterprise overnight is probably not a wise or feasible course of action. However, when a single entertainment business becomes a perpetual nuisance to so many thousands of residents on a daily basis, and generates significant noise pollution in some of the otherwise quietest public spaces along the Hudson and East Rivers, how realistic is the expectation that we should continue to live with it?

I’d be happy to see a complete shutdown immediately, but in fairness I’m willing to be patient as the industry adapts. Meanwhile, the Sunday moratorium is already very good news as are the overall reduction in flights. Call it another step in a long process, but ultimately I think aerial tourism around Manhattan, in its present form, is on its way out. Technology already exists to provide compelling, accessible alternatives, and it’s only going to get better.

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Bodhipooh is correct about airspace. And I seriously doubt the 500 feet over Hamilton park claim. People on the ground are very bad at judging height.

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The FAA controls "navigable" airspace. Not all airspace. Navigable airspace in most areas is 500 feet and above, unless you are by an airport (that's another ballgame). Some areas like the East End, navigable airspace is 700 feet and above.


You are wrong. You are confusing controlled airspace versus uncontrolled airspace versus where FAA regulatory control starts/end. Simply put, uncontrolled airspace is the area where Air Traffic Control (ATC) has neither authority nor responsibility for operations. It is classified as Class G airspace, and much of the nation is under that classification. Different areas have different designations. Most major airports fall under Class B, while the rest falls under Class C. Minor regional and municipal airports are usually Class D. Other classifications are Class A (all airspace above 18,000) and Class E (the "filler" between a Class other than B and the start of Class A).

Regardless, those are classifications that control how/where/when operations can be conducted, with specific rules applied to each Class, and those rules and regulations are maintained and enforced by ATC.

But, whether you want to believe it or not, the FAA is in charge (and controls) all airspace, and they now assert that they control all airspace starting at where the ground ends. This is the legal basis upon which they asserted control/responsibility for regulating drone operations (all drones must now be registered with the FAA) and that assertion was validated by recent rulings.

As for air rights and such, those have a legal basis for an easement up to 500' above, but given recent developments, I think the FAA is gunning for those claims. Should be an interesting thing to watch.

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The FAA controls "navigable" airspace. Not all airspace. Navigable airspace in most areas is 500 feet and above, unless you are by an airport (that's another ballgame). Some areas like the East End, navigable airspace is 700 feet and above.

Many localities/states have banned drones. People sell air rights all the time. The FAA likes to say they own the airspace around your backyard swing but that is not the case.

Many of the choppers doing these sightseeing tours are under 500 feet and I see them flying lower than that regularly over hamilton park and other residential areas.

As for partnering with operators I could tell you many a story about broken promises. The ERHC and pilots tell politicians what they want to hear and do whatever they want. There is no sheriff in the sky writing tickets. Most "enforcement" is done by paid Industry types, we know how well that sort of self-policing works out - Wall St etc.

The FAA is a poster child for regulatory capture. We will see how it plays out...

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Yes the FAA controls the air (at what altitude is subject to debate), but there are many ways local/county/state are starting to win back peace and quiet.


Subject to what debate? The FAA controls all airspace. PERIOD. There is no equivocation. In fact, that authority was just re-enforced recently, when the NTSB ruled, while considering the case of drones and sport quadcopters, that the FAA is indeed the regulatory agency in charge of any aircraft in flight. As per the FAA, they control and rule all airspace, starting at the ground.

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East Hampton is in the process of taking their airport back by refusing further funding from the FAA. Furthermore the precedent is increasingly being set that people have a right to peaceful enjoyment of their homes.

In NYC all the heli-tours go out of downtown helipad because the communities around 34th St and the West Side helipad said get lost. NYC has pushed the helicopters over to the NJ side and NJ has not been aggressive in pushing back.

I don't know how the people living along the Hudson or East River deal with that incessant racket. I'm surprised more developers aren't leaning on politicians to get rid of the heli-tours. Price per square foot is lower in heavy helicopter traffic areas and brokers know this.

NYC makes peanuts from these tours. The negative externalities are huge. Tourism won't fall off at all were these stupid tours banned tomorrow. And JC residents are supposed to just accept the noise and pollution?



You keep repeating the same stuff, over and over. Ultimately, the ONLY WAY that cities here in Hudson County will be able to bring oabut change will be to engage with the operators. As long as operators are legally operating out of their home airports and doing everything required of them by the FAA, there is nothing that Hudson County, or municipalities, can do to effectively limit their operations. So, they need to productively engage with the operators to reach agreements on how they about their business.

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Yes the FAA controls the air (at what altitude is subject to debate), but there are many ways local/county/state are starting to win back peace and quiet.

East Hampton is in the process of taking their airport back by refusing further funding from the FAA. Furthermore the precedent is increasingly being set that people have a right to peaceful enjoyment of their homes.

In NYC all the heli-tours go out of downtown helipad because the communities around 34th St and the West Side helipad said get lost. NYC has pushed the helicopters over to the NJ side and NJ has not been aggressive in pushing back.

I don't know how the people living along the Hudson or East River deal with that incessant racket. I'm surprised more developers aren't leaning on politicians to get rid of the heli-tours. Price per square foot is lower in heavy helicopter traffic areas and brokers know this.

NYC makes peanuts from these tours. The negative externalities are huge. Tourism won't fall off at all were these stupid tours banned tomorrow. And JC residents are supposed to just accept the noise and pollution?



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This is better than nothing, but still a pretty bad deal. DeBlasio protects the heli-tourism which barely contributes to the NYC coffers and Fulop hasn't been vocal enough or demanded that pilots stay off the NJ side of the Hudson. $100 the pilots will now fly closer than ever to NJ so as to avoid further pressure from NYC.

Where is our Mayor on this issue - the entire Hudson facing area gets slammed with this endless noise. As does Liberty State Park.

NYT write up
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/01/nyr ... lights-over-new-york.html


If you ask me, that was pragmatism at work. As I pointed out over a year ago, there is VERY LITTLE that local governments can do. The airs are controlled by the FAA. City, county and state governments can NOT impinge on federal regulations governing General Aviation traffic. At best, cities can try and take over local airports (good luck with that, as the GA community is quite aware of local government overreach and will resist any actions that could result on additional restrictions) or they can negotiate with local operators to achieve mutually agreed reductions in operations. Instead of wasting time passing symbolic, toothless resolutions and making equally worthless declarations, Hudson county politicians would be wise to engage with the local operators to achieve similar deals over here.

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This is better than nothing, but still a pretty bad deal. DeBlasio protects the heli-tourism which barely contributes to the NYC coffers and Fulop hasn't been vocal enough or demanded that pilots stay off the NJ side of the Hudson. $100 the pilots will now fly closer than ever to NJ so as to avoid further pressure from NYC.

Where is our Mayor on this issue - the entire Hudson facing area gets slammed with this endless noise. As does Liberty State Park.

NYT write up
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/01/nyr ... lights-over-new-york.html

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The [NEW YORK] City Council is preparing a bill to ban helicopter tourism from the five boroughs, saying the flights are so noisy their wings should be permanently clipped.

Councilman Carlos Menchaca (D-Brooklyn) is drafting the bill to nix the business, which employs around 200 people and operates out of the lower Manhattan heliport, his chief of staff confirmed.

http://gothamist.com/2015/07/08/helicopter_noise_ban.php

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/polit ... r-tours-article-1.2284878

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I was told it was a helicopter transporting someone from Christ Hospital to another hospital, possibly in Newark. I guess Christ Hospital doesn't have a landing pad.

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Apparently a helicopter landed on a baseball field at Pershing Field.

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There appears to be one hovering over Pershing Field right now.

Something up?

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I'm guessing this explains the huge uptick in chopper noise I'm hearing around VVP. Heaven forbid you have to slum it in Lincoln Tunnel traffic on your way to the G-5 at Teterboro...

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2014 ... _for_800_reports_say.html

City Hall - are you paying attention to noise pollution that is ever present of late?

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Future of helicopter tourism over Hudson River uncertain as group, pols push for ban

By Matthew Speiser | The Jersey Journal
November 21, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Helicopter tourism along the Hudson River isn't going away, at least not yet.

Last week, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio sat down with members of a New York and New Jersey delegation advocating for residents who want to ban helicopter tours in New York and on the Hudson River.

In attendance were U.S. Rep. Jerrold Nadler and U.S. Rep. Nydia Velazquez, both of New York, as well as representatives from the offices of Sen. Robert Menendez and U.S. Rep. Albio Sires.

Robert Gottheim, the district director for Nadler, said that de Blasio heard their argument and understands that they want a ban on helicopter tours. However, there is no timetable for a resolution and the anti-helicopter group is in "wait and see" mode, Gottheim added.

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http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... ost_654.html#incart_river

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If you would like to make a complaint about helicopters please send your emails directly to FAA.

<michael.huerta@faa.gov>; Top FAA admin in DC
Carmine Gallo <carmine.gallo@faa.gov>; FAA Eastern admin at JFK
<9-awa-noiseombudsman@faa.gov>; General faa complaint email

Send them to all, include date, time, location and description of the aircraft.

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An interesting piece re the noise levels. Tried to conduct a business meeting a few weeks ago at the waterfront and was shocked by the constant barrage of helicopters.

I believe that the tourism figure are wildly overinflated and I'll join the organized effort as outlined, below.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11 ... -waterfront-dwellers.html


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Has anyone inland (not on Hudson River) noticed an uptick in Helicopter noise last couple months?

I feel like VVP area has been getting buzzed by loud low flying helicopters much more than in the past.

I don't think it's tourist choppers, so maybe guys heading to Newark or Teterboro? Curious if I'm the only one noticing this...

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Anybody know why there was a helicopter in one of the baseball fields at pershing last night?

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Just last week!

Tour helicopter makes emergency landing after bird strike

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MANHATTAN (PIX11) – A bird struck a tour helicopter over the Hudson River Friday afternoon, forcing the chopper to make an emergency landing at a heliport but injuring none of the 7 people on board, including the pilot.
Helicopter Flight Services confirms to PIX11 News that the helicopter was forced to land at 2:45 p.m. after a bird went through the windshield as the craft flew over the Hudson River at North Hudson Park.

The chopper made an emergency landing at the West 30th Street heliport.

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