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that would be a question for the mayor, whether or not, it would cause him a problem.

like I said, most people that I have talked with (and as quoted in the articles) say that his proposal to ban contributions from non-Jersey City residents cannot be done, which is why it has been referred to as a poison pill and would cause the ordinance to be struck down.


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Not following that. Doesn't eliminating PACs not from JC cause a problem for Fulop?

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while it is pretty well established that municipalities do not have the authority to regulate campaign finance and are preempted by state law, the mayor's proposal would seem to be directed at the donor to the PAC (independent expenditure only committee.)

from the ordinance that was pulled from the agenda -

A. Definitions. As used in this ordinance:
(1) "Campaign Entity" means:
(i) every candidate for City of Jersey City elective municipal office;
(ii) every candidate committee established by or for the benefit of a candidate
for City of Jersey City elective municipal;
(iji) every Joint candidate committee established in whole or m part by or for the
benefit of a candidate for City of Jersey City elective municipal office;
(iv) every political party committee of the City of Jersey City;
(v) every political party committee of the County of Hudson;
(vi) every political committee, continuing political committee, independent
expenditure only committee, or other form of association or organization

that engages in the support of candidates for the City of Jersey City
municipal elective offices, or Jersey City or Hudson county political parties
or political party committees; and

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So how does PAC money fit into this proposal? Would it be considered non-JC money and thus banned (if this somehow passed)?


Not following that. Doesn't eliminating PACs not from JC cause a problem for Fulop?

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while it is pretty well established that municipalities do not have the authority to regulate campaign finance and are preempted by state law, the mayor's proposal would seem to be directed at the donor to the PAC (independent expenditure only committee.)

from the ordinance that was pulled from the agenda -

A. Definitions. As used in this ordinance:
(1) "Campaign Entity" means:
(i) every candidate for City of Jersey City elective municipal office;
(ii) every candidate committee established by or for the benefit of a candidate
for City of Jersey City elective municipal;
(iji) every Joint candidate committee established in whole or m part by or for the
benefit of a candidate for City of Jersey City elective municipal office;
(iv) every political party committee of the City of Jersey City;
(v) every political party committee of the County of Hudson;
(vi) every political committee, continuing political committee, independent
expenditure only committee, or other form of association or organization

that engages in the support of candidates for the City of Jersey City
municipal elective offices, or Jersey City or Hudson county political parties
or political party committees; and

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So how does PAC money fit into this proposal? Would it be considered non-JC money and thus banned (if this somehow passed)?

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So how does PAC money fit into this proposal? Would it be considered non-JC money and thus banned (if this somehow passed)?

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some more from the jersey journal on the shenanigans. why is it so hard for some people to do the right thing?


http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... p.html#incart_river_index

Fulop's proposed ban on outside campaign cash raises eyebrows

Since last July, Mayor Steve Fulop has reported receiving $343,120 in donations to his 2017 reelection campaign fund from donors across New Jersey and beyond.

A Paramus makeup artist donated $350 in February. An Annandale man gave $500 in November. The political action committee for the Seafarers International Union ? based in Suitland, Maryland, about eight miles east of the nation's capital ? contributed $1,000 in September.

One locale Fulop doesn't report collecting donations from often is the city he governs and calls home. Of the 314 donations listed in his last three quarterly campaign reports, 242, or 77 percent, were from people who live outside of Jersey City. Eight of those were from donors who reported working in Jersey City.

Fulop's reliance on out-of-town donations is not unprecedented, but it is raising eyebrows among his critics now that he has proposed banning outside donors entirely. Last week Fulop emailed Ward D Councilman Michael Yun and said he wants to add the ban to a package of bills Yun has proposed to close loopholes in the city's pay-to-play restrictions.

Read more.

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I'll let Terrence McDonald explain what we are calling the mayor's poison pill, designed to weaken if not completely invalidate the original ordinances. The mayor's changes, by repealing the original ordinances, would provide a general amnesty for all previous violations and that by banning non Jersey City donors would constitute regulating campaign finance which wold be preempted by New Jersey Law.

Jersey City mayor, councilman at odds over planned pay-to-play changes

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... u.html#incart_2box_hudson

Councilman Michael Yun's effort to close what he calls "loopholes" in the city's pay-to-play bans is on hold after Mayor Steve Fulop made changes to Yun's proposal that Yun and his allies believe would make the new laws unable to withstand legal challenges.

The pair of ordinances Yun has proposed would broaden the city's two pay-to-play bans, which affect some developers and city vendors that receive no-bid contracts. Yun's proposals ? with Fulop's changes ? were scheduled to go before the City Council for an initial vote on Wednesday but Yun has asked for them to be withdrawn because of Fulop's revisions.

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well, its a first that I have seen, the ordinances proposed by a council member have been changed when put on the agenda for the July 13th 10am council meeting.

http://cityofjerseycity.com/uploadedF ... Reading/Agenda%20Document(14).pdf

changed in way to render them unconstitutional, changed to grant general amnesty, changed to replace prior reform ordinances and undo all of the positive done to date.





Please elaborate. What's happened/changed?

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thanks, had tried a few different ways ...

agendas are here - http://cityofjerseycity.com/citycouncilagenda/


go to July 11 line and to first readings.

and I probably am missing something, but when posting the link, it drops the suffix and when trying to post as text, edits it so that one cannot copy and paste.


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Your link doesn't work.

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Your link doesn't work.

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well, its a first that I have seen, the ordinances proposed by a council member have been changed when put on the agenda for the July 13th 10am council meeting.

http://cityofjerseycity.com/uploadedF ... Reading/Agenda%20Document(14).pdf

changed in way to render them unconstitutional, changed to grant general amnesty, changed to replace prior reform ordinances and undo all of the positive done to date.




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?A storm is brewing at City Hall over proposed revisions to the city's pay-to-play ban that will pit Mayor Steve Fulop against a group of antagonists that includes a possible 2017 reelection opponent. The changes, sought by a group coordinated by longtime Fulop critic Bill Matsikoudis,??

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Good or bad would you really blame the rest of the Council or Mayor Fulop if they didn?t consider the change knowing it was hatched up by someone who still has a chip on his shoulder for getting beat by Mayor Fulop?

an?tag?o?nist: a person who actively opposes or is hostile to someone or something; an adversary.

Antagonist meaning: An antagonist is someone who opposes someone else. In the book "How the Grinch Stole Christmas," the antagonist is the Grinch, because he tries to make life miserable for every Who down in Whoville.

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Mayor Fulop flies the reform/progressive flag, if he opposes this many would question why.

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There is a great need for this reform - from my time on the MUA board, I would say that paying to play is standard there. Most people don't realize the amount of money that moves through that agency and the size of the contracts it awards - the annual budget is ~ $120 million.

Keep up the push, Dan, Aaron et al.


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regardless of how those involved are seen, the proposed expansion of the pay to play reform regulations are good, and help better regulate municipal contracts and reduce conflicts of interest.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... n.html#incart_river_index

Proposed pay-to-play reforms pit Fulop against longtime foes

A storm is brewing at City Hall over proposed revisions to the city's pay-to-play ban that will pit Mayor Steve Fulop against a group of antagonists that includes a possible 2017 reelection opponent.

read more - http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... n.html#incart_river_index

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