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Engineering and cost considerations aside, I don't think it can accommodate enough pedestrian traffic in 3-hour periods (morning and evening commutes to and from work) to make a meaningful dent in mass transit. Still, it's a wonderful idea and I'm glad these guys are pushing it. If you want to do great things, set yourself and impossible goal and go for it. If you keep at it, you'll get something done. Maybe not what you thought, but something interesting nonetheless.
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The pedestrian bridge should include a bike lane.
Posted on: 2015/10/10 20:48
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At 1:45 at WTC the announcement was that due to a partial bridge collapse near JSQ the train would end at Grove with free buses to JSQ (#80).
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What is going on with PATH this morning at 11 AM...Total chaos as NY tracks are shut down; passengers directed to the Newark side to go to NY and then after getting on a train clearly marked WTC PATH personnel & police yelling at everyone on board this packed train to get off and go upstairs for their own safety. People told to take shuttle buses to Grove...Saw track people east of the station with flags...PATH site says something about the structural integrity of the Journal Square platform...Not good...
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The pedestrian paths on the Williamsburg, Manhattan, Brooklyn Bridges are all around 1.5 miles long. People walk and bike across that all the time. Quote: 2) a pedestrian bridge on the DTJC side rising out of the embankment is a cool idea, and might be easier to pull off over here. But, where would it end in Manhattan?? Battery Park City!!! according to the organizers. I'm confident there are options that don't require demolishing 4 city blocks in Manhattan. Quote: 3) even if you find a place suitable for the bridge terminus, what makes ANYONE believe that some NYers on the other side would not sue to block such a project?!? Almost everything big incurs a lawsuit and/or animosity. And yet, lots of big projects get built. Go figure. Quote: In addition to your first point, consider the bridge would have to be extremely high in order to accommodate cruise ships. 200 feet. Already in the plan. That's lower than the Manhattan / Brooklyn / Williamsburg bridges (~275 feet), which have thousands of pedestrian and bike crossings every day. The preliminary plans include elevators at both ends. Quote: The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is many people are stunningly naive and ignorant of reality. They live in some kind of dream world. On the contrary. You didn't raise any serious objections, certainly nothing that can't be overcome. This isn't much more pie-in-the-sky than the High Line. A little bit, but not much. And that took years of citizen activism, including people bandying about highly unrealistic proposals, suing the city to stop Giuliani from tearing it down, and a lack of interest by the city in spending on it. We should note that lots of big infrastructure projects had similar objections. E.g. Edison didn't think the Holland Tunnel could be ventilated. Walkway Over the Hudson wasn't exactly a slam dunk. People thought the Brooklyn Bridge would collapse. In the 1980s, the idea that JC would be gentrified would be seen as utterly insane. If anything, I'd say the engineering and budget challenges are far more serious than anything you mentioned. Is this a practical thing? Not really. Is it a good thing? I say yes. Again, it will be a nearly unique thing, it will be a huge tourist attraction, it will show a strong commitment to pedestrian and bike infrastructure. Quote: In a way, it is not surprising. A prevailing ethos we are starting to see reverberate throughout society is feelz over realz. It doesn't matter what the truth is, if it makes people feel uncomfortable they don't want to hear it. I don't see why unbridled pessimism is preferable. ;) More importantly, "feelz" don't get projects like this done. What gets it done is when you have an idea that can capture the imagination strongly enough to get people to commit to the idea over the long haul. You need lots of people and organizations pushing government entities to commit, and that takes more than clicking "Like" on a Facebook post.
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an alternative conclusion is that the only people who took this seriously were the people who thought other people were taking it seriously. Now, I'd like to discuss using that 9/11 sculpture as a giant human slingshot.....
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I'm surprised the usual suspects haven't said the pedestrian bridge should include a bike lane. Or that it should be covered and heated in the winter.
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The worst part is it's often fed by professionals who should know better. These renderings were done by an architect who's supposed to understand practicalities. Some of the "ideas" floating around after Sandy were just as ludicrous, like filling in the 50 ft deep main NY Harbor anchorage and channel with "reefs", like waves were the problem not the fucking sea rising over everything. There was something just recently about creating new land by filling in the east river and reducing the main hudson channel to a sliver. Somehow an idiot idea if rendered in a pretty picture gets credence.
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This thread reminds me of the people that insist on someone (anyone!) building a pedestrian bridge across the Morris Canal, over by the Morris Canal Park, completely oblivious to the fact that a marina exists up the canal, and that such a bridge would have to be INCREDIBLY high to allow for sailboats and other ships, making for what would be the bridge equivalent of the St Louis Arch. When you bring up facts and common sense, you get the over-trotted canned answer of "you have to dream big" or "it's only a matter of having the will to see it happen" or my favorite: with that attitude, nothing will happen. Nothing will happen because it doesn't make ANY SENSE.
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In addition to your first point, consider the bridge would have to be extremely high in order to accommodate cruise ships. So not only would people have to walk 2 miles, they'd have to make some kind of ascent just to get up there. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is many people are stunningly naive and ignorant of reality. They live in some kind of dream world. In a way, it is not surprising. A prevailing ethos we are starting to see reverberate throughout society is feelz over realz. It doesn't matter what the truth is, if it makes people feel uncomfortable they don't want to hear it. Unfortunately, putting your head in the sand won't change the truth. This cannot be done. It can't be done no matter how much you wish it to be so. Or no matter how much you say the naysayers "suck." We do need more access into Manhattan to alleviate the congestion, but that will likely take the form of the new train tunnel, still in negotiation and many years away. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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La_Verdad wrote: This thread is a great example of why this area sucks Harsimus Cove doesn't suck, in fact I find it quite a delightful place to live.
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I am mesmerized by all the people that actually seem to think this is doable. Engineering challenges aside, please consider the following obvious roadblocks:
1) people being willing and able to walk ~2 miles (have you seen all the out-of-shape and obese people in our midst? People in NYC jump into a subway to go over 10 blocks, which is only half a mile... what makes anyone think people would be willing to walk 2 miles, in each direction no less!) 2) a pedestrian bridge on the DTJC side rising out of the embankment is a cool idea, and might be easier to pull off over here. But, where would it end in Manhattan?? Exactly what building or area do you think can be razed or heavily modified to allow for this bridge terminus?? 3) even if you find a place suitable for the bridge terminus, what makes ANYONE believe that some NYers on the other side would not sue to block such a project?!? You think all those NIMBY types will be OK with their "views" being blocked? A project like this could be mired in legal limbo for years, or decades, due to lawsuits and such.
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Sounds good. I'll put you down as our first test subject. :D
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The tunnels are ventilated and supervised. If they were filled with CO, drivers would be dying of CO poisoning on a regular basis. There's a very small elevated walkway for maintenance and emergencies. There is no way that could be an option for public use.
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I have another idea: how about we shoot people across the river out of a cannon and they land on one of those inflatable tennis bubbles? Now THERE'S a tourist attraction!
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I would prefer a bike/ped bridge. That'd be a great commute. For those who are counting, the Roosevelt Island tram transports around 5600 passengers per day. PATH, again, is 250,000 for the entire system. It'd have to be a pretty big tram system to make a dent in the area's transportation needs. I'm not sure which would be more cost-effective. Tram will almost certainly cost more on an ongoing basis. Both would be tourist attractions, though.
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How about making pedestrian use, respirator required and at your own risk.
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Consider this: There is a walkway in each of the Holland Tunnels two tubes. Allow pedestrians to walk through one to Manhattan and the other back to NJ. Already there, not for the feeble but the energetic. Reinforce the fencing & off you go. WHY NOT??
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Obviously the idea is a little far fetched, but in reality, something like this WILL BE needed. Some other form of crossing will have to exist in 20 years or so.
The State of NJ in particular should think about this, because this would actually generate actual, real tourism to Jersey City (not just people staying in the several hotels on the waterfront and visiting Manhattan). This would draw people STAYING in Manhattan, to Jersey City, which basically does not happen in any way today. It would also increase the desirability of staying in a JC hotel, because you can just walk across to Manhattan.
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And look damn adorable doing it.
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Why not tie hundreds of helium balloons to ourselves and we can float over the river?
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That would be seriously cool - though we'd likely need to build the casino to fund it - given the Jersey way of doing things.
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Calls For Pedestrian Bridge Between Manhattan, Jersey City Pick Up Steam
October 8, 2015 11:14 PM NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) ? Manhattan and Jersey City could share a new landmark attraction someday, if one man?s ambitious dream becomes a reality. ?Most of the people were saying, ?You?re absolutely nuts for trying this,'? Kevin Shane said. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/10/0 ... ersey-city-pick-up-steam/
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I agree, but would prefer a tram over a foot bridge. 
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Ziplines would cost less and be a hell of a lot more fun.
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This thread is a great example of why this area sucks and likely always will. The animosity towards progress is amazing. Is the idea perhaps a bit farfetched? Sure. Will things always be the way they are today? No - car culture, in the long run is unsustainable. People are already in the early stages of moving away from/limiting their participation in it. Big change has to start somewhere - why not here, or something like it. It amazes me how backward NY is - very little innovation comes from the city, really it just monetizes ideas from elsewhere and chronically adapts ideas late. (And the height arguments are silly - cruise ships are the only things of any height at all that travel up the river from the harbor. Why should we configure our infrastructure in a way that only benefits tourists and the profits of a few corporations - especially when there are new and growing cruise ship ports in Red Hook and Bayonne.)
Rant over
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