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Re: Trader Joe's to open in Hoboken

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... thousands of people have the perception that building a pedestrian bridge to Manhattan is remotely feasible."

feasible [fee-zuh-buh l]

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1. capable of being done, effected, or accomplished:
a feasible plan.

Not only is it "remotely feasible", it is entirely feasible. (Teleporting yourself to Manhattan is not feasible. Time travel is not feasible.) It can be done - the question is, will it? Likely not, but objections get thrown out with little to no factual basis. What does it cost? Probably less than an unnecessary $1.1 billion extension of the PATH to EWR. One thing the PA is very skilled at is extracting dollars from a variety of sources to fund projects. If the will was there (and I'm not saying it is), this could definitely be built.

The ability to BUILD a pedestrian bridge is definitely feasible in terms of engineering skills. The ability to complete a pedestrian bridge project that spans the Hudson between DTJC and Lower Manhattan is DEFINITELY NOT feasible.

Posted on: 2015/10/9 21:12

Re: Trader Joe's to open in Hoboken

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What is it that they say...? Perception is reality.

I agree with your post but wanted to point out that thousands of people have the perception that building a pedestrian bridge to Manhattan is remotely feasible.

So I think "they" are not always right.

You are SO right... Thanks for the laugh!

Posted on: 2015/10/9 21:10

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... thousands of people have the perception that building a pedestrian bridge to Manhattan is remotely feasible."

feasible [fee-zuh-buh l]

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1. capable of being done, effected, or accomplished:
a feasible plan.

Not only is it "remotely feasible", it is entirely feasible. (Teleporting yourself to Manhattan is not feasible. Time travel is not feasible.) It can be done - the question is, will it? Likely not, but objections get thrown out with little to no factual basis. What does it cost? Probably less than an unnecessary $1.1 billion extension of the PATH to EWR. One thing the PA is very skilled at is extracting dollars from a variety of sources to fund projects. If the will was there (and I'm not saying it is), this could definitely be built.

Posted on: 2015/10/9 19:26

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Re: Trader Joe's to open in Hoboken

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I still can't believe that this is the location they chose in JC/Hoboken. Oh well. I think somewhere around the Grove Path, in the base of a high rise, would have been a superior location for them, driving more volume with greater density in an almost identical demographic to northern Hoboken. I could be completely wrong with that hypothesis. I guess this probably means Jersey City won't be getting a TJ's.

"Advance Realty, which is quickly building its luxury residential development in Hoboken at Willow Ave. and 14th Street, received zoning board approvals for the overall project several years ago, Melli said, along with a large underground parking garage."

They want to have a large client base for their store, people with cars tend to buy more.

It seems very weird to require parking in an extremely dense area. They are treating it like the suburbs. Maybe I am disconnected to many peoples' reality, but who is driving to Hoboken for groceries? Isn't the Edgewater location more convenient and accessible for the driving types? Aside from maybe Weehawken residents, and JC Heights residents.

And, is the number of customers you gain by having parking, greater than the potential customers you could have by being nestled into a neighborhood, sans parking, but surrounded by about 30 high-rise condo buildings whose residents REALLY need a place to buy groceries?

You hate parking so much, well this is a consequence. You seem like a smart guy, so try to understand that people with cars can buy many many more groceries than those on foot.

Hence, it is a no brainier for a grocery store to opt for a location that provides a large parking lot rather than no parking at all. It's not simply the quantity of customers (which is all you acknowledge), it's the amount of $$ received from each one.

Posted on: 2015/10/9 18:24

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Who cares what I compare? It's what Trader Joe compares.

Exactly!

Posted on: 2015/10/9 18:23

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Re: Trader Joe's to open in Hoboken

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07305 median income is $47,797 and they are more likely to shop dtjc or Hob since there is not many supermarkets in this zip. We only have Pathmark which is disgusting and Twin City which is not too bad. This is why you find so many 07304 and 07305 heads in Shoprite dtjc.

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I don't think they are catering to us.

According to Realtor.Com:

Hoboken Median Household Income is $129,307

Jersey City Median Household Income is $95,026

Why would you compare 50,000 Hoboken residents to 260,000 Jersey City residents, much of which are low-income? Compare 50,000 Hoboken to 50,000 DTJC (07302 and 07310 zip codes) and you'll see that the demographics are basically identical.

Posted on: 2015/10/9 18:11

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I don't think they are catering to us.

According to Realtor.Com:

Hoboken Median Household Income is $129,307

Jersey City Median Household Income is $95,026

Posted on: 2015/10/9 18:07

Re: Trader Joe's to open in Hoboken

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I still can't believe that this is the location they chose in JC/Hoboken. Oh well. I think somewhere around the Grove Path, in the base of a high rise, would have been a superior location for them, driving more volume with greater density in an almost identical demographic to northern Hoboken. I could be completely wrong with that hypothesis. I guess this probably means Jersey City won't be getting a TJ's.

"Advance Realty, which is quickly building its luxury residential development in Hoboken at Willow Ave. and 14th Street, received zoning board approvals for the overall project several years ago, Melli said, along with a large underground parking garage."

They want to have a large client base for their store, people with cars tend to buy more.

It seems very weird to require parking in an extremely dense area. They are treating it like the suburbs. Maybe I am disconnected to many peoples' reality, but who is driving to Hoboken for groceries? Isn't the Edgewater location more convenient and accessible for the driving types? Aside from maybe Weehawken residents, and JC Heights residents.

And, is the number of customers you gain by having parking, greater than the potential customers you could have by being nestled into a neighborhood, sans parking, but surrounded by about 30 high-rise condo buildings whose residents REALLY need a place to buy groceries?

Posted on: 2015/10/9 18:03

Re: Trader Joe's to open in Hoboken

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According to Google Map, it would take me around 34 minutes to take the light rail to Hoboken's Trader Joe, and that includes a 16 minute walk from the light rail to the store.

It only takes 28 minutes to go to 23rd St, including a 2 minute walk from the PATH train to the store.

Exactly. That 28 minutes goes down to about 20 if you live closer to Grove or Newport.

Posted on: 2015/10/9 18:01

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I still can't believe that this is the location they chose in JC/Hoboken. Oh well. I think somewhere around the Grove Path, in the base of a high rise, would have been a superior location for them, driving more volume with greater density in an almost identical demographic to northern Hoboken. I could be completely wrong with that hypothesis. I guess this probably means Jersey City won't be getting a TJ's.

"Advance Realty, which is quickly building its luxury residential development in Hoboken at Willow Ave. and 14th Street, received zoning board approvals for the overall project several years ago, Melli said, along with a large underground parking garage."

They want to have a large client base for their store, people with cars tend to buy more.

Posted on: 2015/10/9 17:50

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According to Google Map, it would take me around 34 minutes to take the light rail to Hoboken's Trader Joe, and that includes a 16 minute walk from the light rail to the store.

It only takes 28 minutes to go to 23rd St, including a 2 minute walk from the PATH train to the store.

Posted on: 2015/10/9 17:35

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I still can't believe that this is the location they chose in JC/Hoboken. Oh well. I think somewhere around the Grove Path, in the base of a high rise, would have been a superior location for them, driving more volume with greater density in an almost identical demographic to northern Hoboken. I could be completely wrong with that hypothesis. I guess this probably means Jersey City won't be getting a TJ's.

The store will have a large underground parking garage, and this area is pretty easy to access by car. Plus it's close-ish to the light rail / JC Heights, and all of that new development in the back of Hoboken.

This location is not convenient for ME (damn them), but it does make sense.

Posted on: 2015/10/9 17:20

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What is it that they say...? Perception is reality.

I agree with your post but wanted to point out that thousands of people have the perception that building a pedestrian bridge to Manhattan is remotely feasible.

So I think "they" are not always right.

Posted on: 2015/10/9 17:20

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I still can't believe that this is the location they chose in JC/Hoboken. Oh well. I think somewhere around the Grove Path, in the base of a high rise, would have been a superior location for them, driving more volume with greater density in an almost identical demographic to northern Hoboken. I could be completely wrong with that hypothesis. I guess this probably means Jersey City won't be getting a TJ's.

What is there not to believe!? I think some people in DTJC have a warped and distorted view of the entire demographics that make up the area, and how the area is perceived by others. There's ton of poverty in DTJC, it's a more transient population (I feel Hoboken has more young families, who are staying in place and growing roots there, while we seem to attract a younger, less settled group) and, overall, Hoboken is considered a more desirable market and population. Ask any non-JC person that lives in the immediate area (say, within a 10-mile radius) which city they would rather visit, and I am positive Hoboken will come ahead of JC. What is it that they say...? Perception is reality.

Posted on: 2015/10/9 17:14

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The Hoboken location is a 17 min drive from my crib and a 25 min drive to the Millburn location. I think I will stick to Millburn location. But thanks though.

Exactly. Why even bother with Hoboken when Millburn is so close by, right? But, I'm surprised you clock 25 minutes to get out to Millburn. From the Danforth St area (that's more or less where you live, tight?) it should be under 20 minutes.

Plus, once out there, you have access to any other big box stores you may need to hit up, plus the Whole Foods up the road from TJs.

Posted on: 2015/10/9 17:07

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The Hoboken location is a 17 min drive from my crib and a 25 min drive to the Millburn location. I think I will stick to Millburn location. But thanks though.

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I still can't believe that this is the location they chose in JC/Hoboken. Oh well. I think somewhere around the Grove Path, in the base of a high rise, would have been a superior location for them, driving more volume with greater density in an almost identical demographic to northern Hoboken. I could be completely wrong with that hypothesis. I guess this probably means Jersey City won't be getting a TJ's.

Posted on: 2015/10/9 16:01