hero69 wrote:
also, i think there must be a way to do double decker trains (on verkly low wheels).

hamhock wrote:
There are some mornings at Newport station where the 33rd St trains are a bit too packed; when that happens, I take the next Hoboken-bound train instead (which is completely empty) and then grab a 33rd Street train from there. Like the weekend method, except somewhat speedier since trains run more frequently.

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Unfortunately, not really, because of the turnaround problem. They could easily run every 3 if it was a loop track like at WTC/Newark, but it would be something close to impossible to rebuild the 33rd Street station like that.

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PATH trains to midtown run every 5 minutes. They can probably get it down to 2 or 3.

Unfortunately, not really, because of the turnaround problem. They could easily run every 3 if it was a loop track like at WTC/Newark, but it would be something close to impossible to rebuild the 33rd Street station like that.

The real thing that's going to ease congestion is going to be the WTC Transportation Hub. It will require a bit of cash, but going from Grove to WTC and transferring underground to the 2/3 will be a faster trip to Penn Station than the 33rd Street PATH.

Obviously, you are both wrong. The PATH is now running rush hour trains every four minutes in the mornings, not every five minutes. They did this by taking a few trains away from Hoboken, much to their chagrin.

So, getting the frequency down to 3 minutes might be doable, but it could get very tricky and would likely need to wait until the signals are upgraded (the never ending project with the ever moving completion date!)

As for the PATH to the 2/3 to 33rd Street being faster than just riding the PATH, that's simply impossible. The 2/3 train ride alone (from the WTC station to Penn Station) takes 15 minutes. Add the 7 minutes for the PATH (from Grove to WTC) and the time to walk/transfer, and you are looking at no less than 25 minutes. And, that's assuming you are super lucky and do not have to wait for the train to arrive. The PATH ride from Grove to 33rd St is 18 minutes.

bodhipooh wrote:

Obviously, you are both wrong. The PATH is now running rush hour trains every four minutes in the mornings, not every five minutes. They did this by taking a few trains away from Hoboken, much to their chagrin.

So, getting the frequency down to 3 minutes might be doable, but it could get very tricky and would likely need to wait until the signals are upgraded (the never ending project with the ever moving completion date!)

As for the PATH to the 2/3 to 33rd Street being faster than just riding the PATH, that's simply impossible. The 2/3 train ride alone (from the WTC station to Penn Station) takes 15 minutes. Add the 7 minutes for the PATH (from Grove to WTC) and the time to walk/transfer, and you are looking at no less than 25 minutes. And, that's assuming you are super lucky and do not have to wait for the train to arrive. The PATH ride from Grove to 33rd St is 18 minutes.

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JCGuys wrote:
PATH trains to midtown run every 5 minutes. They can probably get it down to 2 or 3.

Unfortunately, not really, because of the turnaround problem. They could easily run every 3 if it was a loop track like at WTC/Newark, but it would be something close to impossible to rebuild the 33rd Street station like that.

The real thing that's going to ease congestion is going to be the WTC Transportation Hub. It will require a bit of cash, but going from Grove to WTC and transferring underground to the 2/3 will be a faster trip to Penn Station than the 33rd Street PATH.

JCGuys wrote:
PATH trains to midtown run every 5 minutes. They can probably get it down to 2 or 3.

bodhipooh wrote:
Slightly amusing to see people predicting the end of the DTJC boom because of overcrowding in PATH trains. That will never come to pass... If your logic was at all sound, no one would live in Williamsburg (have you seen those L trains at rush hour?!? They make the PATH look downright civilized) or even Park Slope or neighborhoods served by the 4/5. Both of those lines run at over capacity on a daily basis.

People choose where they want to live, and then figure out how to get around.

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Yup, the PATH in a year will be slammed for the people at Grove and Newport going into 33rd in the morning. They can hardly get on as of right now, with more than a half dozen high rises going up on line? Fuggetabouit.

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Yvonne wrote:
At the June 8th caucus meeting, the discussion on affordable housing for the Powerhouse arts district was interesting. The guidelines for that area is between $80,000 to $120,000 for those affordable units. The median income according to the 2010 census is $55,000 and that group includes homeowners who pay full taxes. So even affordable housing which includes tax abatements for $46,000 income guideline shows the small homeowner is carrying the tax burden for the city because they receive a tax bill regardless of their income.

I think what you are saying is people's property tax bills are high. Given a median property value of $316k - the property tax bill works out at around 6k - over 10% of median salary. Median rent looks worse - $1,172 is probably > 50% of take home pay for someone on $56k/year.

Try telling that to the idiot pols who are happy to hit us with 4%+ increases whenever they feel the need.

http://www.city-data.com/city/Jersey-City-New-Jersey.html

Estimated median house or condo value in 2012: $316,300 (it was $137,900 in 2000)
Jersey City: $316,300
NJ: $311,600
Mean prices in 2011: All housing units: $397,526; Detached houses: $343,374; Townhouses or other attached units: $384,578; In 2-unit structures: $400,883; In 3-to-4-unit structures: $444,810; In 5-or-more-unit structures: $351,458
Median gross rent in 2012: $1,172.

Yvonne wrote:
At the June 8th caucus meeting, the discussion on affordable housing for the Powerhouse arts district was interesting. The guidelines for that area is between $80,000 to $120,000 for those affordable units. The median income according to the 2010 census is $55,000 and that group includes homeowners who pay full taxes. So even affordable housing which includes tax abatements for $46,000 income guideline shows the small homeowner is carrying the tax burden for the city because they receive a tax bill regardless of their income.

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Question: was the last line correct? The requirement to qualify for the affordable units is to have a salary that is 80% of median salary?? That doesn't strike me as a particularly stringent benchmark to qualify as low-income and for affordable housing.

I think the limit for affordable is set that high, so that teachers, social workers and other lower income/higher educated people qualify. It might also add some retirees to the mix. Just my guess that these are acceptable "poor" to MaRYs. (Market Rate

mRanger48 wrote:
can someone clarify?will these be rentals or owned units?

bodhipooh wrote:
Question: was the last line correct? The requirement to qualify for the affordable units is to have a salary that is 80% of median salary?? That doesn't strike me as a particularly stringent benchmark to qualify as low-income and for affordable housing.

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Stringer wrote:
The building had ceased functioning several years ago, and now was a platform for local graffiti artists and the back drop for selfies.

wut.

it was a functioning pep boys until a few months ago.

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The site was part of a slowly deteriorating shopping mall at Marin Boulevard and 6th Street

fuk outta here. they just repaved the parking lot, finally fixed the fence on Marin that they messed up by plowing snow into it and it's packed daily.

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will soon blossom into a large scale new community.

what bullsht. it's a 3 x 3 block stretch shopping area in between multiple already existing communities. it's not going to become one of it's own, it's simply going to be yet another couple thousand people, mostly multi-ethnic yuppies of every stripe, clogging up what little existing public transportation we have. yay.

Stringer wrote:
The building had ceased functioning several years ago, and now was a platform for local graffiti artists and the back drop for selfies.

The site was part of a slowly deteriorating shopping mall at Marin Boulevard and 6th Street

will soon blossom into a large scale new community.