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1. Park in the mall parking (LITERALLY at the base of the Embankment) for really a nominal fee .. 3 hours for $3.50.
2. Take the PATH & walk. (eek! Exercise!!)
3. Take the Lightrail & take a short walk (again exercise!)
4. Don't go

Please, I beg you to show me an example of an urban historic city with unlimited free parking.

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How do the people from Greenville or the Heights get to use that public space when there is no parking? It is basically for people are are close by.

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I would love to see Sixth Street turned into a light rail line, with the park running alongside it.

no parking needed to visit the park then.

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How do the people from Greenville or the Heights get to use that public space when there is no parking? It is basically for people are are close by.


Ignoring for a moment how ridiculous of a reason this is for opposing this project- as someone who lives on 6th street you would be surprised how relatively easy it is to find parking along the embankment (as these blocks have half as many residences as a normal block would).

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If Yvonne had her way half of Van Vorst, Morris Canal, Enos Jones, and Hamilton parks would all be leveled to add parking spaces. What's the point of having those parks if there's no parking?

God forbid people have a little green space in their neighborhoods.


Reading so many of Yvonne's posts where she is fixated on parking I realize that she is really a closet suburbanite. If she lived in the burbs she would have to drive everywhere. Then she would complain there isn't enough public transportation.

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How do the people from Greenville or the Heights get to use that public space when there is no parking? It is basically for people are are close by.
oh my fucking god shut up about parking. A part of me just wants to destroy the entire city and turn it into a giant parking lot so you can finally be happy.


Wow, the truth hurts. But what I state is true, it is only for people who live nearby but everyone will have to pay the cost. The true cost is hidden. It is one of the things that even Councilman Yun has stated. The bonding cost is one of the things that must be paid. This year that cost is $72 million, twenty years ago, it was between $20 to $25 million. Taxes will go up due to debt. Let's hear the real fact, not the glossy words.


Yeah, it's not like city parking doesn't have hidden costs, right?

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How do the people from Greenville or the Heights get to use that public space when there is no parking? It is basically for people are are close by.
oh my fucking god shut up about parking. A part of me just wants to destroy the entire city and turn it into a giant parking lot so you can finally be happy.


Wow, the truth hurts. But what I state is true, it is only for people who live nearby but everyone will have to pay the cost. The true cost is hidden. It is one of the things that even Councilman Yun has stated. The bonding cost is one of the things that must be paid. This year that cost is $72 million, twenty years ago, it was between $20 to $25 million. Taxes will go up due to debt. Let's hear the real fact, not the glossy words.

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How about something like this, if there is to be a surface rail link - http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/ ... l-take-the-streetcar.html It could run up Palisades or Central Avenue, linking the Heights to the Hamilton Park & Paulus Hook areas.

They don't actually want a rail line. They're using it to put pressure on the owner, and bolster the city's legal case. The goal is to turn the Embankment into a park.


And the city doesn't want to pay market prices, right? They want a city discount?

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If Yvonne had her way half of Van Vorst, Morris Canal, Enos Jones, and Hamilton parks would all be leveled to add parking spaces. What's the point of having those parks if there's no parking?

God forbid people have a little green space in their neighborhoods.

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oh my fucking god shut up about parking. A part of me just wants to destroy the entire city and turn it into a giant parking lot so you can finally be happy.

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Here is a nice PBS show that just aired:

10 Parks that Changed America

Click link below:

http://www.pbs.org/video/2365709474/

If you are in a hurry -- NYC's High Line Park is featured at the 48min mark.

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How do the people from Greenville or the Heights get to use that public space when there is no parking? It is basically for people are are close by.

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Im sure there is a thread on this already but currently a long legal battle is ongoing regarding the future of the embankment.

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Where as the dormant embankment gets turned into a useable public space that the general public can use and enjoy.


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How about something like this, if there is to be a surface rail link - http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/ ... l-take-the-streetcar.html It could run up Palisades or Central Avenue, linking the Heights to the Hamilton Park & Paulus Hook areas.

They don't actually want a rail line. They're using it to put pressure on the owner, and bolster the city's legal case. The goal is to turn the Embankment into a park.

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How about something like this, if there is to be a surface rail link - http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/ ... l-take-the-streetcar.html It could run up Palisades or Central Avenue, linking the Heights to the Hamilton Park & Paulus Hook areas.

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Turn it into park, or railroad?
Council again seeks to take over Sixth Street Embankment

by Al Sullivan
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Jan 31, 2016 

Following a legal challenge, the Jersey City Council voted for a second time on Jan. 13 to adopt an ordinance to fund the purchase of an old railroad embankment to run a new rail line there.

The issue of the Sixth Street Embankment has been bouncing around in the courts for years with legal rulings issued on behalf of either side, although over the last two years, the city appears to have gained significant ground.

The funding authorization is largely a legal maneuver to allow the city to take over the property – the site of a defunct freight train line – from property owner and hopeful developer Steve Hyman.

Council members Michael Yun and Richard Boggiano voted against the ordinance, saying it could cost the city hundreds of millions of dollars.

Several residents also spoke against the ordinance, including Yvonne Balcer, who called it a “rail line to nowhere.”

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The Hymans probably wrote off the tax sale loss on the properties against their federal taxes. The City should had over the file to the IRS - it has the distinct smell of tax evasion.

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Let me try this again

Location................ Owner.........................Block#.. Lot Size.......Assessment....2014 Tax..Purchase Price
363 Sixth St........... 415 Brunswick St LLC... 9804... 25 x 100........52,300.........3,887.98......500,000
361 Sixth St........... 415 Brunswick St LLC... 9804....25 x 100........52,300........ 3,887.98
359 Sixth St........... 415 Brunswick St LLC... 9804....25 x 100........52,300........ 3,887.98
357 Sixth St........... 415 Brunswick St LLC... 9804....25 x 100........52,300........ 3,887.98
355 Sixth St........... 415 Brunswick St LLC....9804....25 x 100........52,300......... 3,887.98
353 Sixth St........... 415 Brunswick St LLC....9804....29 x 100........54,400......... 4,044.10
449 Monmouth St.. 389 Monmouth St LLC.. 9906...95 x 400.......190,000....... 14,124.60..... 333,333
626 Jersey Ave....... 280 Erie St LLC............11204...95 x 400.......190,000....... 14,124.60..... 333,333
618.5 Jersey Ave.... 280 Erie St LLC............11204..16.33 x 80......29,400..........2,185.60.......333,333
99 Coles St..............354 Cole St LLC...........11210....95 x 400......190,000........14,124.60......333,333
621-27 Jersey Ave...317 Jersey Ave LLC.....11211... 95 x 400.3....190,000........14,124.60..... 333,333
441-7 Manila Ave... 247 Manila Ave LLC....11304...100 x 400.....200,000........14,868.00.... ..333,333
437 Marin Blvd....... 212 Marin Blvd LLC.....11602.. 100 x 300.....150,000....... 11,151.00.......333,335
363 Newark Ave......446 Newark Ave LLC...10901...67.8x408.37..154,400..... 11,478.10........500,000
....................................................................Totals..........1,609,700.....119,665.10.....3,333,333

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I would like to know if Hyman receives a tax bill for the property. If he doesn't, then I agree with you Joshua.


The 14 lots below comprise the embankment.

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Location................ Owner......................... Block#...Lot#..... Lot Size.......Assessment....2014 Tax.....Purchase Price
363 Sixth St........... 415 Brunswick St LLC... 9804.......2........ 25 x 100........52,300.........3,887.98..........500,000
361 Sixth St........... 415 Brunswick St LLC... 9804.......3.........25 x 100........52,300........ 3,887.98
359 Sixth St........... 415 Brunswick St LLC... 9804.......4........ 25 x 100........52,300........ 3,887.98
357 Sixth St........... 415 Brunswick St LLC... 9804.......5........ 25 x 100........52,300........ 3,887.98
355 Sixth St........... 415 Brunswick St LLC....9804.......6........ 25 x 100........52,300......... 3,887.98
353 Sixth St........... 415 Brunswick St LLC....9804.......7........ 29 x 100........54,400......... 4,044.10
449 Monmouth St.....389 Monmouth St LLC.. 9906.......1........95 x 400.......190,000....... 14,124.60......... 333,333
626 Jersey Ave....... 280 Erie St LLC............11204.......1........95 x 400.......190,000....... 14,124.60......... 333,333
618.5 Jersey Ave.... 280 Erie St LLC............11204......24...16.33 x 80..........29,400..........2,185.60..........333,333
99 Coles St.............354 Cole St LLC...........11210.......1.........95 x 400......190,000........14,124.60..........333,333
621-27 Jersey Ave...317 Jersey Ave LLC.....11211.......1........ 95 x 400.3....190,000........14,124.60......... 333,333
441-7 Manila Ave... 247 Manila Ave LLC....11304.......1.........100 x 400.....200,000........14,868.00.........333,333
437 Marin Blvd....... 212 Marin Blvd LLC.....11602.......1........ 100 x 300.....150,000....... 11,151.00..........333,335
363 Newark Ave......446 Newark Ave LLC....10901.....120......67.8 x 408.37..154,400..... 11,478.10..........500,000
..........................................................................................Totals.........1,609,700...119,665.10......3,333,333


Purchase Date: 07/12/2005

The Owner's Address:
C/O Alampi, Carmine R
One University Plaza Suite 404
Hackensack, NJ 07661

Tel:201-343-4600
Fax: 201-343-4607
email: calampia@alampi-law.com


According to the JC Tax Website the taxes are currently being paid by NZ Funding LLC which is a subsidiary of AIG

Data Source:
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City of Jersey City Tax Website

Sorry for the format of the table, I couldn't post the table from Excel, had to add the periods to make it line up somewhat.

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Can any insiders provide an update on the Embankment? Are we any closer to this becoming a park than we were 6 months ago?


+1 Would like to know the latest as well!

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Can any insiders provide an update on the Embankment? Are we any closer to this becoming a park than we were 6 months ago?

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I absolutely agree about the snow and trees, in fact when Vega was still Council-President, I complained about the embankment poor condition. Previously, on another thread, I spoke how I received a summons from the city for not removing the snow, luckily, the summons had a picture which was not my property. But I am bringing up the payments of property taxes because I have not seen the property listed in the tax lien sale advertisement. If Hyman is paying the taxes, then the city is saying he or his wife owns the property.

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Or tend to the tree growth that led to a tree falling down on the sidewalk of Erie St. That could have killed someone.

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He certainly doesn't shovel the snow off the sidewalks around "his" property. I have always wondered if he gets fined for that. The city did make a half hearted attempt to clear it once or twice last year after community complaints.

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I would like to know if Hyman receives a tax bill for the property. If he doesn't, then I agree with you Joshua.

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He certainly doesn't shovel the snow off the sidewalks around "his" property. I have always wondered if he gets fined for that. The city did make a half hearted attempt to clear it once or twice last year after community complaints.

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I would like to know if Hyman receives a tax bill for the property. If he doesn't, then I agree with you Joshua.

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The sale was invalid.

Hyman doesn't own the land.

Like the Black Knight in Monty Python's Holy Grail, and the Arab Nations after the six day war, Hyman goes down as someone who believes he can demand MORE after losing.

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A lot of the waterfront land that went for millions was also toxic. A lot of people sell their homes are then faced with the prospect of removing the oil tank and any oil that went into the land. The city could use that argument, but I believe Hyman could show land sales, including the one I pointed out with Peter Mocco that went for millions.

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