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They are being removed in one piece?

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The lions are being removed and stored in the basement of the mosque. They were some conditions with the approval.

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An FYI to all those interested in voicing their opinions either pro or con on this topic. The project will be heard at the Historic Preservation Commission meeting tonite 6:30pm Council Chambers City Hall. Now is the time to speak up---whatever your opinion is.

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Rather than reply to BorisP's glue huffing stream of semi-conscious prose, I'd like to point out that I am against discrimination against anyone on the basis of race or religion and as such I am opposed to the apartheid state of Israel.


I made few simple statements If you can't figure out what any of them means you should just ask.

Next, yeah, sure you are not an antisemite, you're "opposed to apartheid". You should also throw in the most popular "I'm not an antisemite, some of my friends are Jews".

Let's see how it works, shall we? You look at Israel that has the same laws for everyone, where Arabs are elected members of Knesset, and where the rights of Arabs are protected more than in any Arab country, and you decide it's an "apartheid". Then you look at the other side, and the other side says that "owning a house in Palestine while being a Jew" is a crime, punishable by death. And that idea doesn't seem wrong to you at all? Have you ever uttered something about how you are "against fascist state of Palestine", no?

And you are not an antisemite?

Riiiiiiight.


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One more reason to send in the bulldozers.


I have to say, you are an important contributor here. You're a reminder that despite the advancement of this city in attracting worthwhile people from NYC, we continue to have plenty of aggressively stupid people that do things like write something demonstrating overwhelming ignorance such as that Orthodox Jews generally oppose Israel and then make a response like the one above when called out on being wrong.

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Rather than reply to BorisP's glue huffing stream of semi-conscious prose, I'd like to point out that I am against discrimination against anyone on the basis of race or religion and as such I am opposed to the apartheid state of Israel.


Out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on all the Muslim countries that consider atheism a criminal offense or where converting out of Islam is a crime (one that commonly carries the death penalty, no less)?

Also, please let me know how "race" is implicated in any of the issues in the Middle East in any way, shape or form, whether on the Muslim or Jewish side. Hint: There are black Jews, Asian Jews, Arab Jews, etc. There are also white Muslims, black Muslims, etc.

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Rather than reply to BorisP's glue huffing stream of semi-conscious prose, I'd like to point out that I am against discrimination against anyone on the basis of race or religion and as such I am opposed to the apartheid state of Israel.


Ah, the irony in someone who calls others racist at every opportunity being revealed to be a huge anti-Semite.

Or maybe that's not so ironic.

Anyway, seeing as how confused you seem to be about life in general given your schtick, I wouldn't be surprised if you were Jewish.

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Rather than reply to BorisP's glue huffing stream of semi-conscious prose, I'd like to point out that I am against discrimination against anyone on the basis of race or religion and as such I am opposed to the apartheid state of Israel.

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EXhibit Two -

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Your first post in this thread clearly suggests you're an idiot and your follow-up clearly suggests you're a bigot.


http://jclist.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=354267


I'm not sure what you are trying to exhibit, but I looked over the thread, and unless I am missing something, you stated here: "Also i believe the synagogue was Orthodox. Orthodox jews oppose Zionism."

Then, after immigrationlawyer educated you on the subject and explained that only few small groups of the Orthodox jews oppose Zionism, you came up with this pearl: "One more reason to send in the bulldozers."

Now, THAT is 100% pure antisemitism.

So if you can't figure out why you are being called bigot, that should help.


P.S. Also, here you stated: "The conflict in Israeli/Palestinian conflict is about land." Well, it is not. The conflict is about some Palestinians wanting to exterminate the Jews.

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My understanding of the historic districts is that they are specific to the preservation of historic Greek/Italianette row houses and brownstones. I have the guidlines somewhere, and it says in the preamble something like "the historic notability lies in the collective impact of the rows of housing."

So buildings in the districts are either contributing - they form part of this histroric character, or non-contributing, they are a building that does not form part of this.

Does this synagogue from part of this historic character the districts were defined to preserved? It does not sound like it does, is it even contemporary with the row-houses the historic guidlines reference?

Robin.


Not an architect but I believe the mosque/synagogue/church is a mixed style building (just like City Hall and most of the brownstones downtown) reflecting the various styles that were popular during the period of construction (late 1800s, consistent with the rest of van vorst park historic area that it is located in).

As for the use of concrete/terracotta, most of the doorways of the brownstone on grove street have non-natural stone ornaments which are typical of the style(s) (and which you are correct to point out are often the first piece of the building to visibly deteriorate as they are very exposed to the elements). If the lions are original, removing them instead of restoring them would go against the fundamental goals of preserving historic buildings.


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Your first post in this thread clearly suggests you're an idiot and your follow-up clearly suggests you're a bigot.


http://jclist.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=354267

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I have never used the word bigot on this board.
You do not need to inform me that there is a difference between that word and the word racist. A racist is a bigot.
You do need to polish up on your English skills.
I'd love to watch you in court one day - can this be arranged?

Anyway... Exhibit One.

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Way to go, you're a bigot..


http://jclist.com/modules/newbb/viewt ... _id=340283&keywords=bigot




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Lectured on expectations from a racist immigration lawyer.


A large majority of your idiotic statements are either false statements or telling someone that their either a racist or a bigot (btw, there's a difference). You sound like an angry, resentful child who can't form coherent thoughts.

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Lectured on expectations from a racist immigration lawyer.

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One more reason to send in the bulldozers.


I think that's the response everyone expects from you. Good work.

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One more reason to send in the bulldozers.

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Also i believe the synagogue was Orthodox. Orthodox jews oppose Zionism.


That's incorrect. There's a strain of Ultra Orthodox Jews (Satmar Hasidim and Neturei Karta) that oppose Zionism. The vast majority of Orthodox Jews who do not fall within these strains do not oppose Zionism.

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My understanding of the historic districts is that they are specific to the preservation of historic Greek/Italianette row houses and brownstones. I have the guidlines somewhere, and it says in the preamble something like "the historic notability lies in the collective impact of the rows of housing."

So buildings in the districts are either contributing - they form part of this histroric character, or non-contributing, they are a building that does not form part of this.

Does this synagogue from part of this historic character the districts were defined to preserved? It does not sound like it does, is it even contemporary with the row-houses the historic guidlines reference?

Robin.

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Also i believe the synagogue was Orthodox. Orthodox jews oppose Zionism.

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The conflict in Israeli/Palestinian conflict is about land.

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i don't see why the facade of that building should be changed just to suit a religious whim....the lions were there before it became a mosque!


It's not a religious whim.
Some take religion 'deadly' serious with every icon or symbol having meaning.
Do you recall the radicals that flew into the world trade center? ... they weren't lost pilots that made a mistake!

To settle the discussion I hope a religious lightening strikes it !!!

it is a religious whme, because the current occupants worshiped in that place with the lions for how many years (14?) and now they want to get rid of them...they should have thought of this before


IMO the lions are of no artistic significance; they are cast concrete in appearance and will weather in time.

What I do find puzzling, is that the mosque community that worship there aren't complaining about the prominently displayed Star of Davids on the facade? (above the arch windows, either side of the entrance)

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the question is not whether the lions have artistic significance, the issue is historical preservation.

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I was walking on Grove Street yesterday afternoon and saw two Hasidic guys trying to get into the mosque. The front gate was chained shut. I wondered if they were there to talk to them about the lions and the building. Would love to be a fly on the wall for that conversation!

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IMO the lions are of no artistic significance; they are cast concrete in appearance and will weather in time.

Same applies to the window frames of any house in the "historic" districts and to the paint and to everything else, yet the owners are prohibited from changing the looks.

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And then we wonder how a war got started !
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Well, I grew up in the USSR, the country where atheists ruled for 70 years and they slaughtered tens of millions of people and attacked few neighboring countries. Oh, and they made a pact with Nazis and together started a WWII.
Now, if we add to that what atheists did in China, Korea, Cambodia, and other places do you really think that you can find a religious war that can hold a candle to that?

Yes.
The number one cause for war is land.

The number one cause for war is an attempt to take away other people's rights.

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The second is religion. Atheists aren't going to war to broaden their lack of religion.

Yes, they were. That was in the Soviet Communist Party documents, their official program called for the spread of the Marxism and communism over the whole world. Don't tell me it wasn't since I had to study those programs throughout school and college. Oh, and "Scientific Atheism" class was also mandatory.

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Mao's slaughter wasn't to "spread the gospel." It was a power grab.

Same applies to about any religious war. Yes, the leaders may be more cynical than the true believers they use.

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Whenever a gun is fired between Palestine and Israel, it is because of their religion.

Just the same as with Mao, for some it's about following the faith that tells them to kill all Jews, for others like Abbas it's about using that faith for personal gain.

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Why would they? Islam is an Abrahamic religion as well.

Modern issues between Muslims and Jews in the ME is political, not religious.

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i don't see why the facade of that building should be changed just to suit a religious whim....the lions were there before it became a mosque!


It's not a religious whim.
Some take religion 'deadly' serious with every icon or symbol having meaning.
Do you recall the radicals that flew into the world trade center? ... they weren't lost pilots that made a mistake!

To settle the discussion I hope a religious lightening strikes it !!!

it is a religious whme, because the current occupants worshiped in that place with the lions for how many years (14?) and now they want to get rid of them...they should have thought of this before


IMO the lions are of no artistic significance; they are cast concrete in appearance and will weather in time.

What I do find puzzling, is that the mosque community that worship there aren't complaining about the prominently displayed Star of Davids on the facade? (above the arch windows, either side of the entrance)

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i don't see why the facade of that building should be changed just to suit a religious whim....the lions were there before it became a mosque!


It's not a religious whim.
Some take religion 'deadly' serious with every icon or symbol having meaning.
Do you recall the radicals that flew into the world trade center? ... they weren't lost pilots that made a mistake!

To settle the discussion I hope a religious lightening strikes it !!!

it is a religious whme, because the current occupants worshiped in that place with the lions for how many years (14?) and now they want to get rid of them...they should have thought of this before

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i don't see why the facade of that building should be changed just to suit a religious whim....the lions were there before it became a mosque!


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Do you recall the radicals that flew into the world trade center? ... they weren't lost pilots that made a mistake!

To settle the discussion I hope a religious lightening strikes it !!!


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this should not be an argument about god/allah or satan for that matter...if there are hsitorical guidelines, they should be followed imo. i don't see why the facade of that building should be changed just to suit a religious whim....the lions were there before it became a mosque!

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Well, I grew up in the USSR, the country where atheists ruled for 70 years and they slaughtered tens of millions of people and attacked few neighboring countries. Oh, and they made a pact with Nazis and together started a WWII.

Now, if we add to that what atheists did in China, Korea, Cambodia, and other places do you really think that you can find a religious war that can hold a candle to that?

Yes.

The number one cause for war is land. The second is religion. Atheists aren't going to war to broaden their lack of religion. Mao's slaughter wasn't to "spread the gospel." It was a power grab. Whenever a gun is fired between Palestine and Israel, it is because of their religion. Whenever Pol Pot lopped a head off it wasn't.

This doesn't negate the fact that there were a lot of very good things done in the name of religion. However, ignoring the fact that it has brought about more pain and suffering shouldn't be ignored.


85 to 100 million people died under goverments that believed in no God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

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if the historic preservation guidelines stipulate that the exterior of the temple/mosque must be maintained, then what is the argument about. if the owners of the mosque do not want to adhere to the guidelines, they should sell the building or never should have bought it in the first place. also, they should be forced to remove that tacky plexiglass over the windows.

now, if this same building was in a non-historic area, i wouldn't care.

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