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Comment made by Donald Scarinci partner in Scarinci Hollenbeck attorneys, on Facebook: "Steve Fulop's private reception at the League of Municipalities turned into the hot ticket of the night. People were lined up at the elevators to get in to see the next Governor. It was a tastefully understated event by the pool at the top floor of the Water Club with breathtaking views of Atlantic City. If only I had my Nikon and my tripod..."

Posted on: 2014/11/20 18:47

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By THE REV. ALEXANDER M. SANTORA
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Talk of Jersey City Mayor Steve Fulop running for governor after a little more than one year in office makes me wonder what qualifies one to run for higher office. In Fulop?s case, it?s seems to be simply that he was elected mayor.

It seems to this guy that this is his only qualification, but that doesn?t actually make it so.

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I am still mystified how Fulop, socially awkward, even got elected.

Honestly, how is he ?mystified?? His primary challenger was a guy that nearly went to jail on corruption. Healey went through the whole naked photo on his front steps and that followed up with an utterly absurd comment about young Hispanic girls. There?s nothing mystifying about it.

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I know he was somewhat of an iconoclastic councilman. But throwing out good ideas does not make a good city manager. Plus, he has done some 360 on abatements, pay-for-play and cozying up to state bigwigs to feather his nest. His abandonment of his former Jersey City Board of Education members is playing nice to the JCEA. We can?t trust what he does because it doesn?t seem in the best interests of the city but his own personal ambitions.

There are some bullet points here.

1. Good ideas don?t always make a good city manager. But a good city manager isn?t one without good ideas. Nobody ever says, ?That guy has a lot of bad ideas, but he?s such a great city manager.?

2. He should definitely be called on the abatements issue. I don?t think it is nearly as egregious as Rev. Santora would like to contend, but it isn?t good.

3. Pay-for-play is another item that should be discussed. We?ve seen some examples of campaign donors getting city contracts. It is, sadly, expected. However, that doesn?t mean it shouldn?t be reviewed and, if something is wrong, prosecuted.

4. I do not know what the author is referencing with ?cozying up to state bigwigs to feather his nest.? I often network with others in my field. I fail to see how this is somehow nefarious.

5. The BoE election is certainly something to review. Did he abandon them or did he not like the job they were doing? Did he quietly back the JCEA ticket to cozy up to the union or because they presented a better set of ideas? I know what the cynic says but that doesn?t necessarily mean that is exactly what happened.

6. Personal ambition and the city?s benefits are not mutually exclusive. In fact, this is the exact argument that Ayn Rand tried to make in her laughably rudimentary book, Atlas Shrugged.

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He comes across as a dilettante. He shows up ? anywhere, anytime, at anything. Recall the photos you see in the newspaper. He?s getting his blood pressure checked by Dr. Oz when he visited Jersey City; going down a slide in a new children?s park; or cutting endless opening business ribbons.

I believe this is part of his job description. He should be at the opening of businesses; it helps draw attention to that business which assists in getting that business off the ground.

I am not upset about getting his blood pressure checked by Dr. Oz. We don?t know which party reached out to whom and it really doesn?t matter.

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When former Gov. Jim McGreevey hosted a conference on post-prison life at St. Peter?s University, earlier this year, Fulop was there. McGreevey was working the crowd: hugging, back slapping, glad handing and pumping them up. Fulop stayed up front: standing, sitting, texting, walking and then, well, repeat. He gave a listless talk on helping ex-prisoners that could have been delivered by a criminal justice major. He hardly connected with the audience, got a polite applause and sat down. He never once engaged a person, like McGreevey, on his own but waited for people to come to him. And then the encounter was perfunctory.

So should Fulop walk around like McGreevey, glad-handing every person he meets or should he not show up? I don?t understand. Is the Reverend mad that the guy is there or mad that he?s not shaking hands?

As for why Fulop is there? McGreevey is his employee and St. Peter?s is located in Jersey City. One doesn?t need to call up Sherlock Holmes to determine why the mayor was there.

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Fulop needs to drop this gubernatorial quest and run a city with a myriad of problems for the long haul. Just look north to Mayors Brian Stack and Richard Turner, who have served for years and have made Union City and Weehawken, respectively, successful cities. Both are as political as the next but live out their commitments.

Brian Stack is also a member of the New Jersey State Senate. He may be mayor, but he?s dipping his hand into two pools.

I don?t know how effective Mayor Turner is. His location is prime real estate yet the population has been dropping.

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We?ve seen this hubris before. Sen. Cory Booker, seemed to have one foot out the door in Newark just as he set one foot in, as mayor. And the city suffered for that ambition. Gov. Chris Christie has had his head swell, not even two years in office, as a potential presidential candidate and hasn?t stopped grasping. The state?s in one big mess during his travels around the country.

Booker was mayor for 7 years before jumping out the door. Prior to that he was a councilman for 4. He saw an opportunity and took it. I don?t see how the city of Newark ?suffered? under Booker. The man was a significant upgrade over Sharpe James. Anyone that argues otherwise is simply blind. I also don?t think 7 years is that short of a time.

Christie?s head didn?t start swelling when he got elected. There are plenty of examples regarding his ego when he was a US Attorney. I?ll also say that the state hasn?t suffered by having Christie take a third of the year off (somehow Monroe hasn?t called for his firing or removal, but then again, Christie isn?t a teacher and union member). The state suffered because Christie has made some poor decisions, but that wasn?t due to ambition, it is due to poor governance.

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Last Thursday, this newspaper published an unscientific poll on whether Fulop should run for governor with 59.06 percent voting "yes," 40.84, "no." It could be that people are beginning to realize that he should vacate Jersey City so we can elect a mayor who wants to stay and govern.

Yup, an unscientific poll that you have decided should be used as a basis for building an argument of pure conjecture. There are numerous reasons that people voted a certain way and one of which could be this man?s supposition. It could also just have easily been someone clicking yes by accident.

Ultimately, the reason that Fulop shouldn?t be running for governor is that he hasn?t built up enough of a track record and history to know how effective he might be in a higher office, which is the basis of the Reverend?s article. The guy was just unable to articulate it in any lengthy way which resulted in a bunch of fluff that ultimately makes no sense.

Posted on: 2014/11/18 15:16

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Bravo to the author below! Someone formally made all the valid points I've made on here. Too many stupid people enamored by a great PR machine elect empty suits like Booker and Fulop to positions they haven't earned.

I agree with the Reverend?s sentiment of wanting to see Fulop complete his elected tasks, but the opinion piece was woefully poor. The writing was poor, the arguments made were poor, and it was rather contradictory.

As for Booker? The guy is where he is because he worked his way up. He was mayor of Newark for a good 7-years as opposed to Fulop?s 1. You can argue that he gets a lot of publicity, and that is true, but there is no bigger pimp of themselves in this state than our governor.

I also think that when you prop up a joke candidate to run against the guy, it?s hard to see why he lost.

Posted on: 2014/11/18 14:17

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I stopped listening when I heard "Reverend" Call me irreverent!

Posted on: 2014/11/18 4:17

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The Steve Fulop who served as Ward E Councilman for eight years and who so many supported and believed in. That's who !!

Posted on: 2014/11/18 1:10

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Yvonne, you must know that you and the Reverend are the biggest Debbie Downers that Jersey City has. There's no pleasing you, I'm sure. Who would you rather see as Mayor of Jersey City?

That letter has nothing to do with who anyone would rather see as Mayor of Jersey City. It is saying that Fulop should drop his plans for Governor, as they seem incredibly presumptuous after a mere year in office.

And in fact the letter says they wish to see Fulop remain Jersey City Mayor for many years to come. Other than the "socially awkward" comment, which I couldn't tell you if it was true or false, most of that letter appeared to be pretty reasonable.

Posted on: 2014/11/18 1:05

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Yvonne, you must know that you and the Reverend are the biggest Debbie Downers that Jersey City has. There's no pleasing you, I'm sure. Who would you rather see as Mayor of Jersey City?

Posted on: 2014/11/18 0:54

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Bravo to the author below! Someone formally made all the valid points I've made on here. Too many stupid people enamored by a great PR machine elect empty suits like Booker and Fulop to positions they haven't earned.

Posted on: 2014/11/18 0:37

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If Father Santora said something that was a lie, I would agree, but he pointed out how McGreevey can work a crowd, while Fulop is busy texting, not engaging with people. Santora also pointed out that Fulop changed his policy on abatements once he became mayor. These are valid points, there are no attacks here, just the facts.

Posted on: 2014/11/17 23:44

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The Reverend Santora's father was a prizefighter, so it is in his blood to go after things. Santora's Park, on Grand St, near P.S #4 is name after the fighter.

That's no excuse.

Posted on: 2014/11/17 23:28

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It sounds to me like the Reverend is obsessed with Mayor Fulop.

Posted on: 2014/11/17 23:25

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I agree Alex is and has been a fighter and he has always put the best interest on the city first. In his letter he attached the sacred cow, St. Steven! Shame on him for calling the mayor out!!

Posted on: 2014/11/17 22:27

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The Reverend Santora's father was a prizefighter, so it is in his blood to go after things. Santora's Park, on Grand St, near P.S #4 is name after the fighter.

Posted on: 2014/11/17 22:04

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I think the Reverend should learn some manners.

Posted on: 2014/11/17 21:17

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I don't care much about this issue one way or another.

But I want say that many of the points that Rev. Santora views as a negative for a politician are a positive in my book. Especially socially awkward and inexperience as a politician.

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By THE REV. ALEXANDER M. SANTORA
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Talk of Jersey City Mayor Steve Fulop running for governor after a little more than one year in office makes me wonder what qualifies one to run for higher office. In Fulop?s case, it?s seems to be simply that he was elected mayor.

I am still mystified how Fulop, socially awkward, even got elected. I know he was somewhat of an iconoclastic councilman. But throwing out good ideas does not make a good city manager. Plus, he has done some 360 on abatements, pay-for-play and cozying up to state bigwigs to feather his nest. His abandonment of his former Jersey City Board of Education members is playing nice to the JCEA. We can?t trust what he does because it doesn?t seem in the best interests of the city but his own personal ambitions.

He comes across as a dilettante. He shows up ? anywhere, anytime, at anything. Recall the photos you see in the newspaper. He?s getting his blood pressure checked by Dr. Oz when he visited Jersey City; going down a slide in a new children?s park; or cutting endless opening business ribbons.

When former Gov. Jim McGreevey hosted a conference on post-prison life at St. Peter?s University, earlier this year, Fulop was there. McGreevey was working the crowd: hugging, back slapping, glad handing and pumping them up. Fulop stayed up front: standing, sitting, texting, walking and then, well, repeat. He gave a listless talk on helping ex-prisoners that could have been delivered by a criminal justice major. He hardly connected with the audience, got a polite applause and sat down. He never once engaged a person, like McGreevey, on his own but waited for people to come to him. And then the encounter was perfunctory.

Fulop needs to drop this gubernatorial quest and run a city with a myriad of problems for the long haul. Just look north to Mayors Brian Stack and Richard Turner, who have served for years and have made Union City and Weehawken, respectively, successful cities. Both are as political as the next but live out their commitments.

We?ve seen this hubris before. Sen. Cory Booker, seemed to have one foot out the door in Newark just as he set one foot in, as mayor. And the city suffered for that ambition. Gov. Chris Christie has had his head swell, not even two years in office, as a potential presidential candidate and hasn?t stopped grasping. The state?s in one big mess during his travels around the country.

Last Thursday, this newspaper published an unscientific poll on whether Fulop should run for governor with 59.06 percent voting "yes," 40.84, "no." It could be that people are beginning to realize that he should vacate Jersey City so we can elect a mayor who wants to stay and govern.

EDITOR?S NOTE: The Rev. Alexander Santora is the pastor of The Church of Our Lady of Grace & St. Joseph, Hoboken, and he can be reached by email at padrealex@yahoo.com. Santora also writes the Faith Matters column for The Jersey Journal.

Posted on: 2014/11/17 20:56

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Posted on: 2014/11/13 22:01

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Thanks you for the clarification but if anyone seriously thought that Fulop was behind the website, I have a great inherence of million dollars that I just need you to sent me one time of $500 to get money unlocked then sent to you. Contck me as soon as possilbe.

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Monday, November 10, 2014, 11:26 PM

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Posted on: 2014/11/11 16:43

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Fulop is in the mold of another reformer, Schundler, although not an elected official when he became mayor, he often attacked abatements then gave the city away as mayor. Fulop like Schundler used the office to run for governor. Both used education as a theme while mayor.
Schundler privatized water and the rates increased, Fulop is taking the excess profits and transferring it to the budget instead of returning it to rate payers.
Both wanted a garbage transfer station in Greenville, although Schundler's contract was for more money per ton than Fulop's proposed contract.

If you think that's bad, take a look at the Redevelopment Agency. They're giving choice properties away to developers without them having to use public auctions. Schundler gave LeFrak a lot of property in the Newport area that should have been used for a greater use, like a park.

How are they "giving" these properties away? Does the City own them? Or is the city imply giving rights to build on them?

The City owned them and gave them to the JCRA who is NOT putting them out to the highest bidder.

**Literally** owned the properties? And no form of bidding process at all? That's terrible.

Posted on: 2014/11/11 16:24

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Fulop is in the mold of another reformer, Schundler, although not an elected official when he became mayor, he often attacked abatements then gave the city away as mayor. Fulop like Schundler used the office to run for governor. Both used education as a theme while mayor.
Schundler privatized water and the rates increased, Fulop is taking the excess profits and transferring it to the budget instead of returning it to rate payers.
Both wanted a garbage transfer station in Greenville, although Schundler's contract was for more money per ton than Fulop's proposed contract.

If you think that's bad, take a look at the Redevelopment Agency. They're giving choice properties away to developers without them having to use public auctions. Schundler gave LeFrak a lot of property in the Newport area that should have been used for a greater use, like a park.

How are they "giving" these properties away? Does the City own them? Or is the city imply giving rights to build on them?

The City owned them and gave them to the JCRA who is NOT putting them out to the highest bidder.

Posted on: 2014/11/11 16:14

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Fulop is in the mold of another reformer, Schundler, although not an elected official when he became mayor, he often attacked abatements then gave the city away as mayor. Fulop like Schundler used the office to run for governor. Both used education as a theme while mayor.
Schundler privatized water and the rates increased, Fulop is taking the excess profits and transferring it to the budget instead of returning it to rate payers.
Both wanted a garbage transfer station in Greenville, although Schundler's contract was for more money per ton than Fulop's proposed contract.

If you think that's bad, take a look at the Redevelopment Agency. They're giving choice properties away to developers without them having to use public auctions. Schundler gave LeFrak a lot of property in the Newport area that should have been used for a greater use, like a park.

How are they "giving" these properties away? Does the City own them? Or is the city imply giving rights to build on them?

Posted on: 2014/11/11 15:35

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Fulop is in the mold of another reformer, Schundler, although not an elected official when he became mayor, he often attacked abatements then gave the city away as mayor. Fulop like Schundler used the office to run for governor. Both used education as a theme while mayor.
Schundler privatized water and the rates increased, Fulop is taking the excess profits and transferring it to the budget instead of returning it to rate payers.
Both wanted a garbage transfer station in Greenville, although Schundler's contract was for more money per ton than Fulop's proposed contract.

If you think that's bad, take a look at the Redevelopment Agency. They're giving choice properties away to developers without them having to use public auctions. Schundler gave LeFrak a lot of property in the Newport area that should have been used for a greater use, like a park.

Posted on: 2014/11/11 0:13

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Then Fulop should say something, instead he is allowing others on this forum to speak for him.

I doubt if Fulop knows about it. It's not like JCList has a massive following and is the go-to place for current events. The analyticals show on average only 18 unique visitors to this site. Yvonne, you probably have a bigger following.

Where are you getting these "analyticals" from? I think you are full of it.

Also, it is well known that both Fulop and Candice Osbourne have posted on this board before, under their own names.

Ask me if I care if you think I'm full of it. The answer, in case you're not smart enough to figure out, is 'No'.

Analytics are available on the internet. Just Google, 'JCLIST Analytics'. If you need help with anything else that's obvious, let me know.

Posted on: 2014/11/11 0:09