JCMan8 wrote:
Instead of ordering a complete travel ban like he should have, Obama somehow made the situation even worse.

Now all travelers from Ebola stricken countries are limited to only 5 airports. Newark and JFK are 2 of the 5.

Nearly guaranteeing that if another case gets into the US, it will be a lot closer to us than Dallas.

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... irports-article-1.1981917

Old-Skool-JC wrote:
This thread is a laff riot.
Biggest lol was Morone thinking Obama should appoint a really big doctor to oversee all this.
Is there anything the JClist white pride crew won't pin on a black man?
Reality check, Bozos. There are a mere 8 confirmed cases in the US.

Old-Skool-JC wrote:
This thread is a laff riot.
Biggest lol was Morone thinking Obama should appoint a really big doctor to oversee all this.
Is there anything the JClist white pride crew won't pin on a black man?
Reality check, Bozos. There are a mere 8 confirmed cases in the US.

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The problem is these people are primitive morons, literal savages. Many of them do not believe that ebola is a real concept. Did you know that they made the spread of ebola much worse in Africa by attacking a hospital holding ebola patients and freeing them all?

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Did you read the full article? The Liberians attacked the hospital because quarantine hadn't been declared in that area of Liberia - no different to the primitive morons and literal savages espousing quarantine in the US.

And Jcman8 - you simply prove time and time again - you are simply a racist scumbag.

Yes I did read the article and I don't understand what you are saying. Because quarantine hadn't yet been declared, this gives a reason to raid an ebola clinic and "free" all of the patients?

Also the hundreds of looters stole items such as mattresses that were covered in blood and shit. Likely contracting ebola themselves as a result. You can't seriously compare this type of savagery to Americans rightfully wanting to block off travel from infected countries. At a minimum, the Americans aren't killing themselves from their own stupidity.

And I wish the people in Africa weren't this primitive. It would have stopped the spread of ebola long ago. But the fact is, you need to understand how they behave before you start proposing ideas on how to handle them, like they are somehow on our level. When you are dealing with people who don't think ebola exists, your approach will not get you very far.

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The problem is these people are primitive morons, literal savages. Many of them do not believe that ebola is a real concept. Did you know that they made the spread of ebola much worse in Africa by attacking a hospital holding ebola patients and freeing them all?

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Did you read the full article? The Liberians attacked the hospital because quarantine hadn't been declared in that area of Liberia - no different to the primitive morons and literal savages espousing quarantine in the US.

And Jcman8 - you simply prove time and time again - you are simply a racist scumbag.

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The problem is these people are primitive morons, literal savages. Many of them do not believe that ebola is a real concept. Did you know that they made the spread of ebola much worse in Africa by attacking a hospital holding ebola patients and freeing them all?

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borisp wrote:
Look, it is very simple - with no cure, our only weapon is the oldest thing invented by humanity: quarantine.

OMG, I agree with Boris on something!! We quarantined in the 1700's why not now when the risks are so much higher? Is the risk to west african trade really worth the risk of pandemic? When is an infected passenger going to land in a 3rd world megacity like Mexico City, Cairo or Jakarta where healthcare is nowhere up to the bumbling level we saw in Dallas?

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1758 - Bedloe's (Liberty) Island - today "the site of the Statue of Liberty". Ships entering the harbour whose passengers and/or crew were infected with small-pox, cholera, yellow fever or other contagious diseases were held at the island's hospital. In 1796, the quarantine facility was moved to Governor's Island.

http://www.ellisisland.se/english/quarantine_islands_newyork.asp

Quarantine simply buys time. Unfortunately the cat's out of the bag. Publicly curing US aid workers has marked the US as the place to go for a cure. I wouldn't underestimate the ingenuity of people wanting to get here.

Manufacturing, and distributing treatments closer to the infection sites - convincing people they can get the best treatment in their own countries - needs to be a priority. Otherwise no quarantine in the US will stem the flood.

The attack comes just one day after a report of a crowd of several hundred local residents, chanting, 'No Ebola in West Point,' drove away a burial team and their police escort that had come to collect the bodies of suspected Ebola victims in the slum in the capital, Reuters reports.

West Point residents went on a "looting spree," stealing items from the clinic that were likely infected, said a senior police official, who insisted on anonymity because he was not authorized to brief the press. The residents took medical equipment and mattresses and sheets that had bloodstains, he said. Ebola is spread through bodily fluids including blood, vomit, feces and sweat.

Villagers flee at the sight of a Red Cross truck. When a Westerner passes, villagers cry out, ?Ebola, Ebola!? and run away.

This month, Doctors Without Borders classified 12 villages in Guinea as ?red,? meaning they might harbor Ebola but were inaccessible for safety reasons.

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borisp wrote:
Look, it is very simple - with no cure, our only weapon is the oldest thing invented by humanity: quarantine.

OMG, I agree with Boris on something!! We quarantined in the 1700's why not now when the risks are so much higher? Is the risk to west african trade really worth the risk of pandemic? When is an infected passenger going to land in a 3rd world megacity like Mexico City, Cairo or Jakarta where healthcare is nowhere up to the bumbling level we saw in Dallas?

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1758 - Bedloe's (Liberty) Island - today "the site of the Statue of Liberty". Ships entering the harbour whose passengers and/or crew were infected with small-pox, cholera, yellow fever or other contagious diseases were held at the island's hospital. In 1796, the quarantine facility was moved to Governor's Island.

http://www.ellisisland.se/english/quarantine_islands_newyork.asp

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Monroe wrote:
Being Al Gore's point person in the POTUS recount makes him perfect to be the ebola czar exactly how?

Even the CDC says they don't need another doctor, the problems aren't medical. They need someone to unravel the knots that snarl the bureaucracies and hinder communications. An administrator rather than a MD. This criticism of the appointee is just partisan BS not actually looking to solve any problem but to make election points.

Monroe wrote:
Being Al Gore's point person in the POTUS recount makes him perfect to be the ebola czar exactly how?

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It is very simple. There is a midterm election coming up in a couple of weeks and Democrats are petrified of being called racist by instituting this travel ban.

And when race baiters like Jesse Jackson called it racist when the black man with ebola died but not the white doctor, you better believe his crew will be raising up a storm of outrage over a "racist" travel ban. And Obama & Co need all the votes they can get.

Not buying it, I misplaced my "everything is about politics " glasses. It doesn't begin to explain why Europe is slow also. They have far more traffic and therefore risk.

It is very simple. There is a midterm election coming up in a couple of weeks and Democrats are petrified of being called racist by instituting this travel ban.

And when race baiters like Jesse Jackson called it racist when the black man with ebola died but not the white doctor, you better believe his crew will be raising up a storm of outrage over a "racist" travel ban. And Obama & Co need all the votes they can get.

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borisp wrote:
Look, it is very simple - with no cure, our only weapon is the oldest thing invented by humanity: quarantine.

OMG, I agree with Boris on something!! We quarantined in the 1700's why not now when the risks are so much higher? Is the risk to west african trade really worth the risk of pandemic? When is an infected passenger going to land in a 3rd world megacity like Mexico City, Cairo or Jakarta where healthcare is nowhere up to the bumbling level we saw in Dallas?

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1758 - Bedloe's (Liberty) Island - today "the site of the Statue of Liberty". Ships entering the harbour whose passengers and/or crew were infected with small-pox, cholera, yellow fever or other contagious diseases were held at the island's hospital. In 1796, the quarantine facility was moved to Governor's Island.

http://www.ellisisland.se/english/quarantine_islands_newyork.asp

borisp wrote:
Look, it is very simple - with no cure, our only weapon is the oldest thing invented by humanity: quarantine.

1758 - Bedloe's (Liberty) Island - today "the site of the Statue of Liberty". Ships entering the harbour whose passengers and/or crew were infected with small-pox, cholera, yellow fever or other contagious diseases were held at the island's hospital. In 1796, the quarantine facility was moved to Governor's Island.

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Monroe wrote:
Sadly, unlike Christie, Obama hasn't decided to govern in a way to reach a reasonable consensus.

Wow, that's your definition of leadership?

Travel bans would make the crisis worse.

http://www.vox.com/2014/10/13/6964633 ... ning-ebola-outbreak-virus

Monroe wrote:
Sadly, unlike Christie, Obama hasn't decided to govern in a way to reach a reasonable consensus.

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WhoElseCouldIBe wrote:

Not banning flights = doing nothing?

Look, it is very simple - with no cure, our only weapon is the oldest thing invented by humanity: quarantine. The only question is where do we want to draw the line.

Banning the flights means we use every possible opportunity.

Drawing it in the hospital emergency room means we let the virus take all possible advantages of spreading in a densely populated centers with millions-per-day public transportation systems, shopping centers and so on.

It is not doing nothing, but it is definitely doing the least we can.

So, what's your point?
What's so hard to understand here?

P.S. BTW what's the party line on the difference between banning the flights to Israel (that was good and important) and banning flights from Ebola-stricken countries (that would be bad)?

WhoElseCouldIBe wrote:

Not banning flights = doing nothing?

Monroe wrote:
Our POTUS decides, with the mid-terms coming up, to appoint a political hack/spinmeister as the Ebola czar, rather than someone with ANY background in medicine. Just a horrible, self-serving pick. Truly disgraceful.

Monroe wrote:
Our POTUS decides, with the mid-terms coming up, to appoint a political hack/spinmeister as the Ebola czar, rather than someone with ANY background in medicine. Just a horrible, self-serving pick. Truly disgraceful.