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I think we, JC residents should get a special discount to Holland Tunnel just like Staten Island folks get for Verrazano but I know it is a pipe dream. My reasoning is that our local streets and residents have to deal with constant HT traffic and pollution.


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I know this isn't new, but I'm curious as to why almost all day on weekends is considered "peak"?


Err.... because weekends is a peak time for out of towners to go into NYC!?

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I know this isn't new, but I'm curious as to why almost all day on weekends is considered "peak"?

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Toll hike hits today, will cost daily commuters at least $180 more a year

By Steve Strunsky | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
December 07, 2014 at 8:24 AM

JERSEY CITY ? The cost of driving to New York for holiday cheer is going up again this year for New Jerseyans, when a third straight December toll increase went into effect this morning at Port Authority bridges and tunnels.

For regular commuters, the cumulative cost of the hike will definitely lighten their wallet this holiday season ? and next.

For motorists using E-ZPass, the extra 75 cents per trip into New York will raise the toll from $11 to $11.75, with the total annual amount of the hike coming to $180, based on 240 work days.

?It?s definitely going to hurt,? said Charles Nzerem, 49, a limousine driver from Queens, as he gassed up outside the Holland Tunnel in Jersey City on Friday. ?The timing is wrong.?

Apart from the cumulative annual cost of the toll hike ? $240 for cash customers, who will pay a dollar more, or $14 per trip ? commuters say the Grinch-like timing of the hike ads insult to injury, arriving like a lump of coal in their stocking just as they?re beginning their holiday shopping.

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At first glance I thought I definitely would.

But then, I realized the ferry and the train were both running this weekend. And I went with the train.

So I guess not.

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There were massive lines at all the ticketing machines, at all the stations, last evening, I guess people filing up their smartlink cards last minute.

Lesson learned: never do it last minute!

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So we will be paying more but we still get the same crowded trains that stop in Hoboken with no additional weekend service and no weekend WTC. great.

This was all pre-established back in 2011. Instead of raising the fare $1 they raised it 25 cents a year for only a 4 year span.


$2.50 ferry on weekend is much better than WTC path.

But the weekend Hoboken stop on the way to 33rd is painful.





The weekend ferry is temporary and subsidized by the Port Authority after many complaints by mostly downtown residents and constant pressure put on PA by Candice.

NYWaterway was conducting a survey last week to see if people would continue to pay little more at $4 a ride after the PA deal is done and WTC line is fixed.

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PATH fares to increase on Oct. 1

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JERSEY CITY, N.J. (AP) - PATH passengers will need more cash to ride the trains between New Jersey and New York.

Single-ride tickets will increase by 25 cents to $2.75 beginning Wednesday. A two-trip ticket will cost $5.50.

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey says passengers can save by purchasing multi-ride tickets. A 7-day unlimited ticket will cost $29 and riders will pay $89 for a 30-day unlimited ticket.

The agency announced in 2011 that single PATH fares would increase at a rate of a quarter per year to help fund a 10-year capital plan. The projects include extending PATH to Newark Liberty airport, replacing the Harrison PATH station and renovating the Grove Street station.

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So we will be paying more but we still get the same crowded trains that stop in Hoboken with no additional weekend service and no weekend WTC. great.

This was all pre-established back in 2011. Instead of raising the fare $1 they raised it 25 cents a year for only a 4 year span.


$2.50 ferry on weekend is much better than WTC path.

But the weekend Hoboken stop on the way to 33rd is painful.




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So we will be paying more but we still get the same crowded trains that stop in Hoboken with no additional weekend service and no weekend WTC. great.

This was all pre-established back in 2011. Instead of raising the fare $1 they raised it 25 cents a year for only a 4 year span.

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So we will be paying more but we still get the same crowded trains that stop in Hoboken with no additional weekend service and no weekend WTC. great.

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PATH fare increase to kick in Oct. 1: Port Authority

By Patrick Villanova | The Jersey Journal
on September 09, 2014 at 3:46 PM

PATH riders get ready: Your daily commute is about to get a little more expensive.

Port Authority, which operates the trans-Hudson River subway system, announced today that starting next month, it will increase single-ride fares by 25 cents under a phased-in schedule of increases approved in 2011.

Beginning Oct 1 at 3 a.m., a single PATH ride will rise to $2.75 and a two-trip ticket will be $5.50. Multi-ride tickets will be offered at a discount, including a 10-trip ticket for $21; a 20-trip ticket for $42; and a 40-trip ticket for $84; or a seven-day unlimited ticket for $29 and a 30-day unlimited ticket for $89.

In 2011, the bi-state agency announced that a single PATH fare would increase from $1.75 to $2.75 at a rate of 25 cents per year.

Under the Port Authority's 10-year capital plan, $3.3 billion is anticipated to be invested in PATH infrastructure with funds partially derived from PATH fares, including three major projects ? the replacement of the Harrison PATH Station, the modernization of the Grove Street PATH Station and the PATH extension to Newark Liberty International Airport.

The $249 million Harrison Station project involves construction of a new station to replace the existing facility, which was built in 1936. The $192 million Grove Street project provides improvements to accommodate 10-car train operations and new elevators.

Meanwhile, the $1.5 billion PATH extension to Newark Liberty International Airport will provide a direct connection from Lower Manhattan to AirTrain Newark, which provides passengers with direct access to airport terminals

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... thority.html#incart_river

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And one F-35 Lighteng II fighter costs around $200 million each! The Pentagon plans to buy over 2,400 from Lockheed Martin for the USAF, USMC and USN. That's $ taken from mass transit and other things.

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Toll hike on Hudson River bridges and tunnels takes effect Sunday

By Steve Strunsky/The Star-Ledger
November 30, 2013 at 1:06 PM

For countless bistate commuters, December not only means decking the halls or visiting grandmother?s house, but also digging deeper to cross the bridges and tunnels run by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

"It?s that time of year again," said Steve Carrellas, New Jersey?s delegate to the National Motorists Association. "We?re paying more again. And Happy Thanksgiving, Happy Holidays."

On Sunday, the third of five annual increases under a record 2011 toll hike will take effect, meaning tolls for E-ZPass subscribers will increase by 75 cents during peak and off-peak hours.

Off-peak rates will apply on the first day of the increase, when E-ZPass users will pay $9 per crossing for a standard two-axle vehicle with single rear wheels, up from $8.25. On Monday morning, peak-hour crossings will rise to $11 for E-ZPass users. Most commuters use E-ZPass.

Those who are still paying cash will get a break this year, when tolls will remain at $13 at all times.

"They?re kind of technically getting a break, but they?re still paying more" than E-ZPass subscribers, Carrellas said.

For trucks with six axles or more, E-ZPass tolls will rise to $84 at peak hours and $78 off peak.

Cash-paying truckers don?t get a break this year and will pass the century mark, at $102 per crossing, up from $90.

The Port Authority board of commissioners approved the increases in August 2011, citing the need to boost toll revenue in the face of a declining commuter base linked to high unemployment, as well as a long list of capital projects.

The bridges and tunnels affected by the increase are the Lincoln and Holland tunnels, the George Washington, Bayonne and Goethals bridges and the Outerbridge Crossing.

PATH fares have also risen steadily, although more slowly, under the 2011 hike. Those fares increased this month to $2.50 per swipe.

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The PATH fares go up tomorrow. So, be sure to fill your smartlink card to the max before you pay more tomorrow.

There's one more fare increase to go to complete the 4 rate hikes. It was $1.75 when this 4 year plan started. Tomorrow it goes to $2.50 then finishing a year from now at $2.75. After that who knows..............

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The PATH fares go up tomorrow. So, be sure to fill your smartlink card to the max before you pay more tomorrow.

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There will be a direct connection to Fulton, plus access to the World Financial Center, etc. When (if) this ridiculously-expensive project gets done, it will be great.

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Everything about the Port Authority truly sucks. Will this new WTC Path station be connected to the new Fulton Street Transit Center?


With Fulton costing $1.4 billion, and the WTC transit hub $4 billion, and the two being a block and a half apart - they'd better connect! An odd aside - unless I'm missing something, the Chambers and Fulton stops on the A and C lines will effectively be the same "station", as a result.

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Everything about the Port Authority truly sucks. Will this new WTC Path station be connected to the new Fulton Street Transit Center?

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Interesting article in the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/25/art ... l-as-fans.html?ref=design

Looks like the Port Authority hired the worst possible architect, and we commuters get to pay for it.

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By Steve Strunsky/The Star-Ledger
September 18, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Officials for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey said a report by Congress that criticized the implementation of a 2011 toll hike has been "carefully considered" by the agency and that several reforms were put in place after the toll hike but before the report was made public last week.

Port Authority executive director Patrick Foye said new bylaws were adopted in June 2012 that would provide more transparency and public input the next time the agency raises tolls.

For example, Foye said, the bylaws call for at least 10 days' notice of public hearings in advance of a proposed toll hike, the presence of at least one Port Authority commissioner at each hearing and the dissemination of "maximum public information" regarding the amount and reason for any proposed hike.

The report was made public last week by the Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress.

"In setting tolls, bi-state tolling authorities are primarily influenced by debt obligations and maintain specific operating revenues to repair their debt," the report states. "A federal statute requiring bridge tolls to be 'just and reasonable' has less influence on tolling decision, in part, because no federal agency has the authority to enforce the standard."

The GAO report also looked into practices at three other bi-state tolling agencies: the Delaware River Port Authority and the Delaware River Joint Toll Bridge Commission, both involving New Jersey and Pennsylvania; and the Delaware River and Bay Authority, involving New Jersey and Delaware. The report offered similar critiques of those agencies, attributing their lack of public accountability to their uncommon status as bi-state agencies that, while chartered by Congress and headed by officials appointed by their respective governors, operate as neither state nor federal entities.

The GAO report was requested following the toll hike by the late U.S. Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), who died in June. Lautenberg had been an outspoken critic of the Port Authority and of New Jersey's Republican governor, Chris Christie, who shares control of the agency with New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo. Cuomo is a Democrat, and critics of the toll hike from New York State have tended to be Republicans.

Under the August 2012 toll hike, peak tolls have risen from $8 for all cars, to $10.25 for E-ZPass users and $13 for cash customers. Additional increments will take effect this December, and in each of the two following years, before tolls will top out at $12.50 for E-ZPass subscribers and $15 for cash customers in December 2015.

Port Authority chairman David Samson, a Christie appointee who led the board at the time the hike was approved, said the agency acted in accordance with all bylaws in place at the time.

Foye was appointed by Cuomo after the hike was imposed.

"In hindsight, all sorts of alternative procedures could have been followed," Samson said following today's regular board meeting. "We're satisfied that the procedures that we followed at the time were adequate and were consistent with the requirements that were in effect. And, as the executive director points out, we changed the bylaws to reflect a new and vigorous process."

When proposing the toll hike in August 2011, the agency insisted it was necessary in light of recession-related revenue dips and a long list of pressing capital projects.

Since the toll hike, Democratic lawmakers in New Jersey and Republicans in New York have sponsored legislation to increase oversight and transparency at the Port Authority, though none has been approved so far. Port Authority legislation must be approved by lawmakers in both states then signed by both governors, whose authority over the agency would be watered down considerably by having to share it with the legislatures.

Christie vetoed a post-toll hike bill that made it to his desk in July 2012, when he accused lawmakers of being politically motivated, and he and the Port Authority insisted that reforms at the agency were already being put in place.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013 ... s_tolls.html#incart_river


I don't need more (mis)information about why you are increasing tolls. What I need is stops in place to prevent the Port Authority to needlessly increase tolls. For example, raise for supervisors? Umm, spend that raise first to offset toll hikes. 3 billion dollar cost overrun on WTC? Umm...no toll hike ever...

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By Steve Strunsky/The Star-Ledger
September 18, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Officials for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey said a report by Congress that criticized the implementation of a 2011 toll hike has been "carefully considered" by the agency and that several reforms were put in place after the toll hike but before the report was made public last week.

Port Authority executive director Patrick Foye said new bylaws were adopted in June 2012 that would provide more transparency and public input the next time the agency raises tolls.

For example, Foye said, the bylaws call for at least 10 days' notice of public hearings in advance of a proposed toll hike, the presence of at least one Port Authority commissioner at each hearing and the dissemination of "maximum public information" regarding the amount and reason for any proposed hike.

The report was made public last week by the Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress.

"In setting tolls, bi-state tolling authorities are primarily influenced by debt obligations and maintain specific operating revenues to repair their debt," the report states. "A federal statute requiring bridge tolls to be 'just and reasonable' has less influence on tolling decision, in part, because no federal agency has the authority to enforce the standard."

The GAO report also looked into practices at three other bi-state tolling agencies: the Delaware River Port Authority and the Delaware River Joint Toll Bridge Commission, both involving New Jersey and Pennsylvania; and the Delaware River and Bay Authority, involving New Jersey and Delaware. The report offered similar critiques of those agencies, attributing their lack of public accountability to their uncommon status as bi-state agencies that, while chartered by Congress and headed by officials appointed by their respective governors, operate as neither state nor federal entities.

The GAO report was requested following the toll hike by the late U.S. Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), who died in June. Lautenberg had been an outspoken critic of the Port Authority and of New Jersey's Republican governor, Chris Christie, who shares control of the agency with New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo. Cuomo is a Democrat, and critics of the toll hike from New York State have tended to be Republicans.

Under the August 2012 toll hike, peak tolls have risen from $8 for all cars, to $10.25 for E-ZPass users and $13 for cash customers. Additional increments will take effect this December, and in each of the two following years, before tolls will top out at $12.50 for E-ZPass subscribers and $15 for cash customers in December 2015.

Port Authority chairman David Samson, a Christie appointee who led the board at the time the hike was approved, said the agency acted in accordance with all bylaws in place at the time.

Foye was appointed by Cuomo after the hike was imposed.

"In hindsight, all sorts of alternative procedures could have been followed," Samson said following today's regular board meeting. "We're satisfied that the procedures that we followed at the time were adequate and were consistent with the requirements that were in effect. And, as the executive director points out, we changed the bylaws to reflect a new and vigorous process."

When proposing the toll hike in August 2011, the agency insisted it was necessary in light of recession-related revenue dips and a long list of pressing capital projects.

Since the toll hike, Democratic lawmakers in New Jersey and Republicans in New York have sponsored legislation to increase oversight and transparency at the Port Authority, though none has been approved so far. Port Authority legislation must be approved by lawmakers in both states then signed by both governors, whose authority over the agency would be watered down considerably by having to share it with the legislatures.

Christie vetoed a post-toll hike bill that made it to his desk in July 2012, when he accused lawmakers of being politically motivated, and he and the Port Authority insisted that reforms at the agency were already being put in place.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013 ... s_tolls.html#incart_river

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It may seem trivial, until you multiply it out and realize that that quarter per ride increase just raised your yearly commute cost by ~$130.


It sucks, but in reality what is anyone going to do about it? Absolutely nothing. Sure, people will hem and haw about it, but at the end if the day you're still going to pay. The port authority could raise the fare to $10 a ride and could still get away with it. That's how a monopoly works.

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What's there to complain about regarding the fare increase? How selfish can you be. Don't you realize that not only is your money going towards the job stimulus program for the construction unions but it also is paying for the votes that people like Senator Menedez and Senator Lautenberg bought for themselves when pushing for the Port Authority spending projects. I mean come on, a 2 for 1 deal. You are not supposed to complain about that!
Since the Port Authority is overseen by the states of NJ and NY, and specifically by our two governors, and the WTC is in NYC, Lautenberg and Menendez had nothing to do with it.


One of these days, we'll get the PATH taken away from the PA and given to NJT or MTA.


If Menedez has nothing to do with the Port Authority expenditures then why does he never miss an opportunity to take credit for these Port Authority mega projects? He is so proud whenever other peoples' money is spent.

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It may seem trivial, until you multiply it out and realize that that quarter per ride increase just raised your yearly commute cost by ~$130.

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A quarter increase for the PATH is outrageous. Someone, quick, call the doctor. I think I'm having a heartache. Elizabeth, I think I'm coming to join you.

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What's there to complain about regarding the fare increase? How selfish can you be. Don't you realize that not only is your money going towards the job stimulus program for the construction unions but it also is paying for the votes that people like Senator Menedez and Senator Lautenberg bought for themselves when pushing for the Port Authority spending projects. I mean come on, a 2 for 1 deal. You are not supposed to complain about that!
Since the Port Authority is overseen by the states of NJ and NY, and specifically by our two governors, and the WTC is in NYC, Lautenberg and Menendez had nothing to do with it.


One of these days, we'll get the PATH taken away from the PA and given to NJT or MTA.

Posted on: 2013/9/12 2:28
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This increase is worse than NYC. For one fare you can ride the 5 boroughs. But in JC, there is usually a local bus, or lite rail, then the Path, and perhaps the NYC train.

Posted on: 2013/9/12 1:14
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