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Nobody in this thread has yet to show a single example of false allegations of police brutality being disproved by video evidence.

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Thank you for your answer Lima17. You are right, there was no false allegation. We all agree that body cameras and dashcams are a good thing, however I am looking for proof, maybe three separate examples, of this statement...

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Dash cams have been very effective in fighting false 'police brutality' allegations...




Yeah, these things happen. Feel free to search for more, it took me 5 seconds to find this one.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic ... s-choking-patrol-car.html


The radio silence from Old Skool is amusing, but not surprising.

Here's another recent example where a tape recording exonerated the police from false accusations of racism - spewed by a race baiting actress.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news ... ivists-call-django-734505

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Old-Skool-JC, the video exonerated that officer in the question of excessive force. Does that not count as police brutality? I thought that was the official term for PB, but I could be mistaken.

Apparently the defense wanted to claim excessive force, so the prosecutor showed the video to a grand jury to see if there was a case. They sided with the police officer and he was cleared.

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Thank you for your answer Lima17. You are right, there was no false allegation. We all agree that body cameras and dashcams are a good thing, however I am looking for proof, maybe three separate examples, of this statement...

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Dash cams have been very effective in fighting false 'police brutality' allegations...




Yeah, these things happen. Feel free to search for more, it took me 5 seconds to find this one.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic ... s-choking-patrol-car.html

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Thank you for your answer Lima17. You are right, there was no false allegation. We all agree that body cameras and dashcams are a good thing, however I am looking for proof, maybe three separate examples, of this statement...

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Dash cams have been very effective in fighting false 'police brutality' allegations...



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Hi Old-Skool - I'm not sure if this what you're looking for, because I don't think a false-claim was actually filed. But it shows how the body cam tells the full story, while dashboard cam alone would've been misleading:

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Celi ... tic-Arrest-272780461.html

"According to the department, it initially appears from the angle of the dash camera video that the officer jumps on the subject for no reason.

However, from the angle of the officer's body camera, it appears the man throws a punch at the officer's face before he is wrestled to the ground, subdued and arrested."

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Thank you for your extensive research, if only other people were as diligent as you.
However, I am looking for examples of police being cleared of false claims of brutality due to video evidence, not a cop shoving a k9 through a window of somebody's car while the driver's hands are in the air.

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This video auto played as the next story on abc when I viewed the original story. So here's 1.

http://www.wbtw.com/story/24180974/da ... k9-unleashed-on-nc-driver

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Just trying to ascertain that this is a fact, and not a completely made up statement.
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Dash cams have been very effective in fighting false 'police brutality' allegations...



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Can either of you three provide me with, say, three examples where a police officer has been cleared of police brutality due to wearing a body cam?


What's your point? You don't trust the ACLU?

Everyone here thinks these cameras are a good idea and will reduce misconduct on both sides. I'd imagine there is more police misconduct than the other way around but there definitely are troublemakers on both sides. So this seems to be one of the rare issues where everyone is in agreement.

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One can buy front and rear dash cams for less then $100 and have them installed in their own vehicles.

This one (link) can have one camera pointing forward and one backwards.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dual-Two-Lens ... Cards&hash=item2a301108ea

Its also great when parking and you have a front or rear car hit you when they leave or enter - Set for motion detect when parked !

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Can either of you three provide me with, say, three examples where a police officer has been cleared of police brutality due to wearing a body cam?

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Nowhere in that article is there an example of body cams exposing false police brutality charges.


From the ACLU: "Cameras have the potential to be a win-win, helping protect the public against police misconduct, and at the same time helping protect police against false accusations of abuse."

https://www.aclu.org/technology-and-li ... ht-policies-place-win-all

There are bad people on both sides of the blue line.

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But, if we can find no (or few) examples of false claims of police brutality we can only assume that the drop was a result of the police taking a gentler, more professional approach.
I ask again for examples of police being exonerated by, and not in spite of, dashcam footage.

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Correct. I was extrapolating from the 88% drop in complaints against the police. While I don't know what % of the complaints are related to police brutality, it is likely that they represent a material %.

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Nowhere in that article is there an example of body cams exposing false police brutality charges.

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I just tried to google this and came up empty, no matter how I phrase it.
Care to back this one up?


This is a small sample size, but could be representative:

The Guardian - California police use of body cameras cuts violence and complaints

"But Rialto's randomised controlled study has seized attention because it offers scientific ? and encouraging ? findings: after cameras were introduced in February 2012, public complaints against officers plunged 88% compared with the previous 12 months. Officers' use of force fell by 60%."

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i was walking around today and saw two cops (2 separate times) just chatting away on their cellphones

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Dash cams have been very effective in fighting false 'police brutality' allegations...


I just tried to google this and came up empty, no matter how I phrase it.
Care to back this one up?

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all cops should be required to wear body-cams and have dash-cams in their cars. enuff of the rambo stuff.


It would both law enforcement and citizens. Dash cams have been very effective in fighting false 'police brutality' allegations as well as holding bad cops to account in this particular case.

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all cops should be required to wear body-cams and have dash-cams in their cars. enuff of the rambo stuff.

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Dash-Cam Video Clears NJ Man in Violent Traffic Stop

http://abcnews.go.com/US/dash-cam-vid ... traffic/story?id=22660928

Marcus Jeter faced a years-long prison sentence.

The New Jersey DJ, 30, was arrested in a 2012 traffic stop and charged with eluding police, resisting arrest and assault. Prosecutors insisted that Jeter do prison time.

"The first plea was five years," Jeter said.

But after Jeter's attorney, Steven Brown, filed a request for records, all of the charges against him were dropped, with dash-cam video apparently showing what really happened June 7, 2012. Now, the officers are facing charges.

The video, which prosecutors say they never saw before filing the initial charges, shows Jeter holding his hands above his head.

"The next thing I know, one of them busts the [car] door and there is glass all over my face," he told ABC News station WABC-TV about the arrest.

"As soon as they opened the door, one officer reached in and punched me in my face. As he's trying to take off my seat belt, I'm thinking, 'Something is going to go wrong.'"

Jeter says the cops continued hitting him, telling him not to resist arrest.

"And when they open the [police cruiser] door, about to put me in, the officer hits me in the back of the head again," Jeter said.

The incident began when police responded to a domestic violence call at the Bloomfield home Jeter shares with his girlfriend. No charges were filed, and Jeter says he left after briefly talking to officers.

Police followed, trailing him along the Garden State Parkway. Dash-cam video shows Jeter pulling over and stopping on the highway shoulder.

The two officers pulled out guns.

Jeter didn't get out of the car. He was afraid.

"There was a cop on my left with a gun pointed at me, a cop on the other side with a shotgun," he said.

The video that was not initially turned over -- from the dashboard of a second police cruiser -- shows a third officer coming from the opposite direction, crossing the median and striking Jeter's car. That incident was not mentioned in any police reports related to the arrest.

As soon as prosecutors saw the second video, they dismissed all of the charges against Jeter.

A grand jury has since indicted two Bloomfield police officers -- Orlando Trinidad and Sean Courter -- on various charges, including conspiracy and official misconduct.

Trinidad was also charged with aggravated assault. Both officers have pleaded not guilty.

The third officer pleaded guilty to tampering.

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