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A friend in MO has informed me that Darren Wilson will be charged next week.
Maybe we should all calm down until the outcome of the trial.

Sure, the grand jury hasn't yet finished investigating and your 'friend in MO' has inside information-the grand jury inquiry won't be finished for at least another month.

When the hospital injury report and photos are released we very well could have an end to it, although the Missouri Governor's sop to the mob by saying that 'vigorous prosecution' should occur does show the fix may well be in to railroad the cop.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic ... t-dead-Michael-Brown.html

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A friend in MO has informed me that Darren Wilson will be charged next week.
Maybe we should all calm down until the outcome of the trial.

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You raise a good point, about the money to pay for this. It was recently discussed in an NPR segment. In NYC, the city Spends about 151 million dollars per year (!!) settling abuse lawsuits/allegations. The current thinking is that, despite their costs (to procure, maintain and store data) cameras will cut back on abusive behaviors by cops (they know they are being recorded) and could also help the city fight/battle unfounded allegations by money-hungry opportunists, thereby resulting in a net gain for the city. I wonder how much money is spent by JC settling lawsuits or allegations of police abuse/brutality. I was surprised by the number in NYC.

There is a California city that implemented these cameras several years ago. I think the statistics say it all.

"In the first year after the cameras were introduced here in February 2012, the number of complaints filed against officers fell by 88 percent compared with the previous 12 months. Use of force by officers fell by almost 60 percent over the same period."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/22/us/ ... meras.html?pagewanted=all

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Black cop shoots and kills unarmed white teen. No riots. No outrage. No Sharpton. Little to no media coverage.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2 ... standard-in-coverage-of-/

Media Double standard/media bias: confirmed.

The media bias is just absolutely sickening.

The US doesn't even collect proper stats on "justified" police homicides - no consistent, independent review process - never mind clear and consistent rules and training on when the use of deadly force is justified.

A good read is here:

http://readersupportednews.org/opinio ... e-american-police-killing

I agree with this. These homicides - justified or not - absolutely should be reported. I have long supported making police wear cameras on their badges.

Not only that, the videos should be uploaded to a secure third party place so the cops can't destroy them if they are bad.

I like the idea of cameras. If we can agree on something, there's hope. Think that's what the focus needs to be - solutions, way forward, and not all that other cr*p.

Cameras alone aren't enough. I know of many cases where the video was requested but the response was the camera conveniently "malfunctioned" or the video otherwise wasn't available.

The tape has to be uploaded to an independent third party server in realtime, so it cannot be tampered with. It has to be stored where someone cannot access and destroy it. Yes this is not free, but considering how much money is being spent on military gear for cops, I think we can allocate the money appropriately.

Of course, all of this has nothing to do with extremely biased media coverage, but I agree it is worthwhile to talk about an actual solution.

You raise a good point, about the money to pay for this. It was recently discussed in an NPR segment. In NYC, the city Spends about 151 million dollars per year (!!) settling abuse lawsuits/allegations. The current thinking is that, despite their costs (to procure, maintain and store data) cameras will cut back on abusive behaviors by cops (they know they are being recorded) and could also help the city fight/battle unfounded allegations by money-hungry opportunists, thereby resulting in a net gain for the city. I wonder how much money is spent by JC settling lawsuits or allegations of police abuse/brutality. I was surprised by the number in NYC.

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@JCman8 - uploading real-time video to a cloud server is pretty viable, and probably wouldn't cost any local PD a cent. Any number of big corporations would be happy to provide the service for free to law enforcement if asked - Verizon, AT&T, Google, Facebook, Amazon...among others.

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Black cop shoots and kills unarmed white teen. No riots. No outrage. No Sharpton. Little to no media coverage.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2 ... standard-in-coverage-of-/

Media Double standard/media bias: confirmed.

The media bias is just absolutely sickening.

The US doesn't even collect proper stats on "justified" police homicides - no consistent, independent review process - never mind clear and consistent rules and training on when the use of deadly force is justified.

A good read is here:

http://readersupportednews.org/opinio ... e-american-police-killing

I agree with this. These homicides - justified or not - absolutely should be reported. I have long supported making police wear cameras on their badges.

Not only that, the videos should be uploaded to a secure third party place so the cops can't destroy them if they are bad.

I like the idea of cameras. If we can agree on something, there's hope. Think that's what the focus needs to be - solutions, way forward, and not all that other cr*p.

Cameras alone aren't enough. I know of many cases where the video was requested but the response was the camera conveniently "malfunctioned" or the video otherwise wasn't available.

The tape has to be uploaded to an independent third party server in realtime, so it cannot be tampered with. It has to be stored where someone cannot access and destroy it. Yes this is not free, but considering how much money is being spent on military gear for cops, I think we can allocate the money appropriately.

Of course, all of this has nothing to do with extremely biased media coverage, but I agree it is worthwhile to talk about an actual solution.

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No doubt life sucks for some - The '3 strikes you're out rule' sucks (3 felony offences gets you 25 years automatically in some States - meaning if you steal a car 3 times over a period you'll get 25 years)

Once again its our poorer communities that lack non-skilled employment opportunities, education programs and just productive options for the young between the ages of 15 -19 years of age that cause the spiralling effect to anti-social behavior, committing crimes and finally imprisonment.

This kid that got killed was on the spiral of 'self destruction and sense of no worth' - What future did this kid actually have; most likely no direction from parents, no mentor, no prospects and with a limited education and most likely no aptitude for any employment outside factory / labor work or simple customer service.

Its very sad and tragic that a community and government sit on their hands and lets it happen, then complain when siht hits the fan and places the end of a life on a cop just going out doing his job - and on this occasion I believe, without malice or prejudice!

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Black cop shoots and kills unarmed white teen. No riots. No outrage. No Sharpton. Little to no media coverage.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2 ... standard-in-coverage-of-/

Media Double standard/media bias: confirmed.

The media bias is just absolutely sickening.

The US doesn't even collect proper stats on "justified" police homicides - no consistent, independent review process - never mind clear and consistent rules and training on when the use of deadly force is justified.

A good read is here:

http://readersupportednews.org/opinio ... e-american-police-killing

I agree with this. These homicides - justified or not - absolutely should be reported. I have long supported making police wear cameras on their badges.

Not only that, the videos should be uploaded to a secure third party place so the cops can't destroy them if they are bad.

I like the idea of cameras. If we can agree on something, there's hope. Think that's what the focus needs to be - solutions, way forward, and not all that other cr*p.

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The US is the WORLD LEADING jailers - It was in the link.

That surprise you, given it's pretty much an unregulated privatized industry? Once you're in, you're in.

Prisons are a business - But the Courts and legislation isn't !

As in any business, follow the value chain & follow the profit. Does it profit Hudson County to have more or less prisoners? I'd bet it's more. So the incentive is...

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The US is the WORLD LEADING jailers - It was in the link.

That surprise you, given it's pretty much an unregulated privatized industry? Once you're in, you're in.

Prisons are a business - But the Courts and legislation isn't !

Crime, race and incarceration is a highly fuelled topic, but many will ignore statistics, facts and reality to push their cause of discrimination. In reality the Courts only put people in prison void of your color and solely on the crime you had committed

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The US is the WORLD LEADING jailers - It was in the link ... Other countries might have high violence, but often its in war torn countries where there isn't any law enforcement - As for Mexico the ratio isn't there!

Yes but that isn't what you said. I agree we are the world leading jailers. A large part of this is because of the War on Drugs. Those are mostly nonviolent offenders.

But this is what you said:

"The most violent countries in the world (per ratio) is the US and Russia"

That is just a joke. We are probably middle of the pack at best in terms of most violent countries.

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The US is the WORLD LEADING jailers - It was in the link.

That surprise you, given it's pretty much an unregulated privatized industry? Once you're in, you're in.

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The US is the WORLD LEADING jailers - It was in the link ... Other countries might have high violence, but often its in war torn countries where there isn't any law enforcement - As for Mexico the ratio isn't there!

We are a violent nation, no excuses, we just are as people don't go to prison for dropping litter ... you have to commit an offence serious enough to throw you into prison.

Reality sucks, but the facts are there !

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Black cop shoots and kills unarmed white teen. No riots. No outrage. No Sharpton. Little to no media coverage.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2 ... standard-in-coverage-of-/

Media Double standard/media bias: confirmed.

The media bias is just absolutely sickening.

The US doesn't even collect proper stats on "justified" police homicides - no consistent, independent review process - never mind clear and consistent rules and training on when the use of deadly force is justified.

A good read is here:

http://readersupportednews.org/opinio ... e-american-police-killing

I agree with this. These homicides - justified or not - absolutely should be reported. I have long supported making police wear cameras on their badges.

Not only that, the videos should be uploaded to a secure third party place so the cops can't destroy them if they are bad.

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Make what you will with these statistics and facts:

http://www.americanprogress.org/issue ... ice-in-the-united-states/

http://www.prisonpolicy.org/profiles/NJ.html

The most violent countries in the world (per ratio) is the US and Russia - Our social behavior and civility is crap and we are the worst, yet we love to show our influence and social justice throughout the world via our military - Note: 10% of all prisoners are ex-military.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

These statistics show that certain groups commit many more crimes than others. For those who have walked around in bad areas, they aren't particularly surprising.

Also your thing about Russia and the US is not supported by your links and is laughably false. Try walking around war torn Africa and tell me it isn't more violent there. Or more local, try Mexico. This is a recent example of what happens there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_San_Fernando_massacre

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Make what you will with these statistics and facts:

http://www.americanprogress.org/issue ... ice-in-the-united-states/

http://www.prisonpolicy.org/profiles/NJ.html

The most violent countries in the world (per ratio) is the US and Russia - Our social behavior and civility is crap and we are the worst, yet we love to show our influence and social justice throughout the world via our military - Note: 10% of all prisoners are ex-military.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

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Media bias is because of he history of race relations between blacks and authority??

No, media bias is due to the political leanings of the liberal media elite. Same as university liberal bias, due to the political leanings of university staff.

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There is bias because of the history of race relations between blacks and authority. Hundreds of black people have been killed by white authorities because of the color of their skin.

It will take a very long time for people of color to be able to feel that a white police shooting a black youth is not racially motivated.

While I feel that there is a lot of shortcomings in the black culture, history weighs very heavily in this

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Black cop shoots and kills unarmed white teen. No riots. No outrage. No Sharpton. Little to no media coverage.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2 ... standard-in-coverage-of-/

Media Double standard/media bias: confirmed.

The media bias is just absolutely sickening.

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Black cop shoots and kills unarmed white teen. No riots. No outrage. No Sharpton. Little to no media coverage.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2 ... standard-in-coverage-of-/

Media Double standard/media bias: confirmed.

The media bias is just absolutely sickening.

I actually find the point-scoring on media bias - at the expense of the homicide of a teen - more sickening and bizarre. The US doesn't even collect proper stats on "justified" police homicides - no consistent, independent review process - never mind clear and consistent rules and training on when the use of deadly force is justified.

The fact we accept this in the US as "normal" - is much more sickening and disturbing to me - than any media or political spin over race. A good read is here:

http://readersupportednews.org/opinio ... e-american-police-killing

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There is bias because of the history of race relations between blacks and authority. Hundreds of black people have been killed by white authorities because of the color of their skin.

It will take a very long time for people of color to be able to feel that a white police shooting a black youth is not racially motivated.

While I feel that there is a lot of shortcomings in the black culture, history weighs very heavily in this

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Black cop shoots and kills unarmed white teen. No riots. No outrage. No Sharpton. Little to no media coverage.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2 ... standard-in-coverage-of-/

Media Double standard/media bias: confirmed.

The media bias is just absolutely sickening.

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Black cop shoots and kills unarmed white teen. No riots. No outrage. No Sharpton. Little to no media coverage.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2 ... standard-in-coverage-of-/

Media Double standard/media bias: confirmed.

The media bias is just absolutely sickening.

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Black cop shoots and kills unarmed white teen. No riots. No outrage. No Sharpton. Little to no media coverage.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2 ... standard-in-coverage-of-/

Media Double standard/media bias: confirmed.

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The right wing narrative is unravelling as audio of the 11 fired shots is released.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWOB2uTQjM0

What kind of a marksman lets off 11 shots at close range and only manages to hit 6 times? Especially as we have so often been reminded that the victim is 6'4" 300 lbs, could not have moved very fast and would be a veritable barn door for a target.
Why did the officer pause and then shoot again?

Did you miss the part where they say it's an unsubstantiated report? And at no point have the police stated how many shots were fired. So I'm not sure what 'narrative' you're talking about. Do recall that several 'eyewitnesses' said Brown was shot in the back, which were proven to be lies by the autopsy the family had authorized.

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The right wing narrative is unravelling as audio of the 11 fired shots is released.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWOB2uTQjM0

What kind of a marksman lets off 11 shots at close range and only manages to hit 6 times? Especially as we have so often been reminded that the victim is 6'4" 300 lbs, could not have moved very fast and would be a veritable barn door for a target.
Why did the officer pause and then shoot again?

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Good point. Once the circus leaves town the residents will be left in an even more depressed city. A year from now most people will be like "Ferguson?"

Actually a year from now Ferggie will be forgoten.

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Good point. Once the circus leaves town the residents will be left in an even more depressed city. A year from now most people will be like "Ferguson?"

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In the end, the reporters and the cameras will be leaving. Michael Brown is still dead and we won't hear much till the trial, if there is one, and the aftermath. The town and the people will still be there. The pundits will milk the people till their usefulness runs out.

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