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Of course Lesniak, with his cozy, no-bid JC public money for-his-private-law-firm Fulop contracts, would come out to oppose a casino that would compete with one that Fulop supports.

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this whole project reminds me of talk about building a giant radio tower in lsp

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/n ... /2002-10-17-tvtower_x.htm

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There is a freight railroad spur going directly to the future casino site, by the Liberty National Clubhouse. Rarely used. Is it possible to route Light Rail to that spur? I have no idea, but if they are going to build a frigging 5 billion $$$ development there, they better figure out how to get a Light Rail connection there. The motor-racing stadium idea, as Friends of LSP stated, is obscene and hopefully does not come to pass. The noise and traffic would be out of this world. Casino itself - I think is feasible and opponents will have a tough time defending against it if the politicians and developers see $$$ signs. BTW, I find it depressing that NJ politicians focus so much on expanding casino gaming to raise funds instead of creating a business-friendly climate in NJ to bring businesses to raise long-term tax revenue. Casino gaming is corrosive to neighborhoods, new businesses build neighborhoods. Stupid politicians have everything ass backwards.

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And, again, agreed, but it isn't THAT simple. Any foot bridge across the Morris Canal will be required to very tall, as it must allow for the marina and canal traffic to flow unimpeded. And, even if you could get that bridge approved and built, you would still be asking people to walk a full mile to get to the park. Some people would be challenged by that distance. The truth is, easy access to the park was never considered, or attempted. If you want people to come to the park, make it easy to get there. All the major parks in NYC are easily accessible by public transportation (Central Park, Prospect Park, Corona Park, etc.)

Think about it from the perspective of the tourist: leave NYC (already a hurdle for many!) on a train that uses a different payment method (unless the tourist is using a pay-per-ride metrocard) then walk a mile (during wintertime, it can be unbearably cold, and windy; during summertime, it can incredibly hot and humid). Or, they can ride the NYC subway, to the PATH, to the Light Rail, and then walk. Either way, you are in for a long trip. Getting to the London eye is a cinch by comparison!

As others have already moaned in the past, it is incredibly shortsighted that the region's public transit is a tapestry of independent agencies and systems that do not work together, at all.

I don't disagree with what you're saying, but it's very possible, almost plausible. Heck, you wouldn't even need to put it in LSP. You could have it over the water at the edge of Morris Canal Park.

All I'm getting to is the fact that Staten Island sucks. It doesn't have a single redeemable quality and yet, somehow, they're going to get a tourist site to keep revenue in Manhattan while we twiddle our thumbs wondering how this happened and how we can get people over here.

I don't think walking a mile in any weather is impossible or difficult. People would be doing that regardless.

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looks like ferris wheel is gonna happen in staten island.

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/07/2 ... e-new-york-wheel-project/

besides staten island makes more sense since there is convenient, free access from manhattan versus non-existand transport to some out of the way place in jc.


Except that Staten Island is further away than JC.

I mentioned the London Eye, which is downright incredible. I have no idea why this couldn't and wasn't implemented in Jersey City. Instead, looks like New York is doing all it can to keep the tourists in-house.


Agreed that the London Eye is incredible. And, something similar, located in LSP, would be phenomenal given the close proximity to NYC.

But, hero69 makes a good point: getting to LSP is a royal pain in the ass for out of towners not driving. If you take the PATH to JC, you have to walk from Grove St to LSP (which is about 20 minutes) or you can take the light rail (from Newport, it is a full 15 minutes to the LSP station!) and then walk into the park (another 10 minutes to reach the waterfront area).

It is really surprising that such a great park has such limited access for non-car visitors.


They can build a walking path from Paulus hook across the bay area between the two parks that exist. It just takes some foresight and big-picture thinking. Draw people to JC for a "London Eye" style ride. You get them to Grove Street PATH, walk a few blocks south, then over a footpatch (steps/elevator to get up for ships to pass through) and then you're right there at the City Eye. Build it near side.

Once it is there, you would have people come out for it and then possibly stay for a meal in the town. Instant revenue.


And, again, agreed, but it isn't THAT simple. Any foot bridge across the Morris Canal will be required to very tall, as it must allow for the marina and canal traffic to flow unimpeded. And, even if you could get that bridge approved and built, you would still be asking people to walk a full mile to get to the park. Some people would be challenged by that distance. The truth is, easy access to the park was never considered, or attempted. If you want people to come to the park, make it easy to get there. All the major parks in NYC are easily accessible by public transportation (Central Park, Prospect Park, Corona Park, etc.)

Think about it from the perspective of the tourist: leave NYC (already a hurdle for many!) on a train that uses a different payment method (unless the tourist is using a pay-per-ride metrocard) then walk a mile (during wintertime, it can be unbearably cold, and windy; during summertime, it can incredibly hot and humid). Or, they can ride the NYC subway, to the PATH, to the Light Rail, and then walk. Either way, you are in for a long trip. Getting to the London eye is a cinch by comparison!

As others have already moaned in the past, it is incredibly shortsighted that the region's public transit is a tapestry of independent agencies and systems that do not work together, at all.

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looks like ferris wheel is gonna happen in staten island.

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/07/2 ... e-new-york-wheel-project/

besides staten island makes more sense since there is convenient, free access from manhattan versus non-existand transport to some out of the way place in jc.


Except that Staten Island is further away than JC.

I mentioned the London Eye, which is downright incredible. I have no idea why this couldn't and wasn't implemented in Jersey City. Instead, looks like New York is doing all it can to keep the tourists in-house.


Agreed that the London Eye is incredible. And, something similar, located in LSP, would be phenomenal given the close proximity to NYC.

But, hero69 makes a good point: getting to LSP is a royal pain in the ass for out of towners not driving. If you take the PATH to JC, you have to walk from Grove St to LSP (which is about 20 minutes) or you can take the light rail (from Newport, it is a full 15 minutes to the LSP station!) and then walk into the park (another 10 minutes to reach the waterfront area).

It is really surprising that such a great park has such limited access for non-car visitors.


They can build a walking path from Paulus hook across the bay area between the two parks that exist. It just takes some foresight and big-picture thinking. Draw people to JC for a "London Eye" style ride. You get them to Grove Street PATH, walk a few blocks south, then over a footpatch (steps/elevator to get up for ships to pass through) and then you're right there at the City Eye. Build it near side.

Once it is there, you would have people come out for it and then possibly stay for a meal in the town. Instant revenue.

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looks like ferris wheel is gonna happen in staten island.

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/07/2 ... e-new-york-wheel-project/

besides staten island makes more sense since there is convenient, free access from manhattan versus non-existand transport to some out of the way place in jc.


Except that Staten Island is further away than JC.

I mentioned the London Eye, which is downright incredible. I have no idea why this couldn't and wasn't implemented in Jersey City. Instead, looks like New York is doing all it can to keep the tourists in-house.


Agreed that the London Eye is incredible. And, something similar, located in LSP, would be phenomenal given the close proximity to NYC.

But, hero69 makes a good point: getting to LSP is a royal pain in the ass for out of towners not driving. If you take the PATH to JC, you have to walk from Grove St to LSP (which is about 20 minutes) or you can take the light rail (from Newport, it is a full 15 minutes to the LSP station!) and then walk into the park (another 10 minutes to reach the waterfront area).

It is really surprising that such a great park has such limited access for non-car visitors.

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looks like ferris wheel is gonna happen in staten island.

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/07/2 ... e-new-york-wheel-project/

besides staten island makes more sense since there is convenient, free access from manhattan versus non-existand transport to some out of the way place in jc.


Except that Staten Island is further away than JC.

I mentioned the London Eye, which is downright incredible. I have no idea why this couldn't and wasn't implemented in Jersey City. Instead, looks like New York is doing all it can to keep the tourists in-house.

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looks like ferris wheel is gonna happen in staten island.

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/07/2 ... e-new-york-wheel-project/

besides staten island makes more sense since there is convenient, free access from manhattan versus non-existand transport to some out of the way place in jc.

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How did this turn into a soccer thread? Oh JCList...

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Sorry, you didn't back it up. I asked you for numbers to support your claim and you haven't done so yet. If this were such a slam dunk, it shouldn't be hard to provide.

I'm not refuting your argument, I'm asking you to reasonably prove your argument.

I?ve provided you information. Either you have the critical thinking skills to add it up or you don?t. It really doesn?t matter much in the end as you?ve had your mind made up from the jump. Numbers mean nothing without context or understanding.


Nope, you didn't provide anything but an unsubstantiated claim. If you had proof to back up your claim, you would have given it by now.

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The reality is, soccer is more popular in America than just about any other sport.


Show your work or GTFO.

As pointed out before, soccer comes in many leagues and styles. It is a sport that is getting ratings in droves. The same people watching EPL do not watch La Liga. Understanding this very base concept is key to actually having a say in this argument.


I never said otherwise so you're arguing against yourself there. All I asked is for you to prove your argument - which you've been unable to do.

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The reality is, soccer is more popular in America than just about any other sport.


Show your work or GTFO.


Soccer comes in at 3rd based on numbers participating on a few lists. If you could measure numbers of people just kicking a ball around in a yard, it'd probably only be second to basketball - might even edge it.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/19 ... sports-in-the-us-in-2009/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_in_the_United_States


Participating isn't the same as watching it. For generations, American kids have played soccer. Haven't you heard the term "soccer mom?" But people enter HS and soccer becomes uncool to watch. Possibly because many find it very boring.

Let me rephrase your argument a little:
Nobody is watching NBDL games. Their attendance is low. Therefore, nobody likes basketball.
Nobody is watching Canadian Football. Their attendance is low. Therefore, nobody likes football.

Do you understand how stupid an argument that is? Now, let?s flip it to another sport, one that has more than one league? soccer. You can?t argue that people aren?t paying attention to it because it is very hard to quantify exactly who is following. You might get some minor crossover between leagues, but it is rare. The styles are different and thus people tend to stick with the one they like.

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I hope Pebble doesn't get too upset when she reads that the biggest soccer star in the USA, fresh from getting a phone call from the POTUS, declares that he wants to play for the-wait for it-the NBA New York Knickerbockers!

http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/20 ... _knicks.html#incart_river

You know that Howard is a Jersey guy, right? I have actually played basketball with him when he was living in Kearny while playing for the MetroStars.

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Not bad for a sport that people might find boring.


You're right, it isn't bad. But Pebble claimed without providing any real evidence whatsoever that the "reality" is that soccer is the US's most popular sport. Obviously this is laughable.

Also, while American soccer interest has its flash in the pan once every four years, we both know that you've got to measure statistics for an average game to get any kind of feel for a sport's true popularity. Worth mentioning that 34 of the top 35 American tv broadcasts last fall were NFL games. And I'll actually show my work, lol.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014 ... d-shows-this-fall/227726/

I hope you understand the difference between basic network and over the air cable. NFL has a built in advantage. For a better understanding, let?s use some numbers that you should be able to read:

ESPN MNF Ratings
ESPN?s 17 MNF telecasts in 2013 averaged an 8.6 US rating

Liga MX Ratings
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The Mexican league is doing gangbusters on U.S. television, outdoing other soccer leagues and even some other American sports. Another good sign for Liga MX broadcasts is that their numbers aren't just besting other soccer broadcasts, but other American sports' broadcasts as well. According to Univision, Liga MX matches on Univision average more viewers than the MLB regular season on ESPN and the NBA regular season on NBA TV.


So, that is one league. Fans of that one league aren?t necessarily watching Premier League, Bundesliga, La Liga, Serie A, MLS, etc. So? If you are understanding of the basic idea that you are comparing a sport which is diverse and has many leagues to a league, then you?ll be in the same ballpark.

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If you are saying NFL, NBA, and MLB are more popular than MLS, yeah. If you argue that they are more popular than the Premier League, sure. If you say that they are more popular than Liga MX, the NFL might be able to say that only. Now, add all of those leagues up and you?ll realize that sport of soccer is most definitely one of the most popular in the USA.


Prove it.


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Hey, I'm a fan-nothing like seeing the soccer moms disembark from their SUVs still in their tennis whites after a few sets at the club!

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Sorry, you didn't back it up. I asked you for numbers to support your claim and you haven't done so yet. If this were such a slam dunk, it shouldn't be hard to provide.

I'm not refuting your argument, I'm asking you to reasonably prove your argument.

I?ve provided you information. Either you have the critical thinking skills to add it up or you don?t. It really doesn?t matter much in the end as you?ve had your mind made up from the jump. Numbers mean nothing without context or understanding.


Nope, you didn't provide anything but an unsubstantiated claim. If you had proof to back up your claim, you would have given it by now.

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The reality is, soccer is more popular in America than just about any other sport.


Show your work or GTFO.

As pointed out before, soccer comes in many leagues and styles. It is a sport that is getting ratings in droves. The same people watching EPL do not watch La Liga. Understanding this very base concept is key to actually having a say in this argument.

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The reality is, soccer is more popular in America than just about any other sport.


Show your work or GTFO.


Soccer comes in at 3rd based on numbers participating on a few lists. If you could measure numbers of people just kicking a ball around in a yard, it'd probably only be second to basketball - might even edge it.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/19 ... sports-in-the-us-in-2009/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_in_the_United_States


Participating isn't the same as watching it. For generations, American kids have played soccer. Haven't you heard the term "soccer mom?" But people enter HS and soccer becomes uncool to watch. Possibly because many find it very boring.

Let me rephrase your argument a little:
Nobody is watching NBDL games. Their attendance is low. Therefore, nobody likes basketball.
Nobody is watching Canadian Football. Their attendance is low. Therefore, nobody likes football.

Do you understand how stupid an argument that is? Now, let?s flip it to another sport, one that has more than one league? soccer. You can?t argue that people aren?t paying attention to it because it is very hard to quantify exactly who is following. You might get some minor crossover between leagues, but it is rare. The styles are different and thus people tend to stick with the one they like.

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I hope Pebble doesn't get too upset when she reads that the biggest soccer star in the USA, fresh from getting a phone call from the POTUS, declares that he wants to play for the-wait for it-the NBA New York Knickerbockers!

http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/20 ... _knicks.html#incart_river

You know that Howard is a Jersey guy, right? I have actually played basketball with him when he was living in Kearny while playing for the MetroStars.

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Not bad for a sport that people might find boring.


You're right, it isn't bad. But Pebble claimed without providing any real evidence whatsoever that the "reality" is that soccer is the US's most popular sport. Obviously this is laughable.

Also, while American soccer interest has its flash in the pan once every four years, we both know that you've got to measure statistics for an average game to get any kind of feel for a sport's true popularity. Worth mentioning that 34 of the top 35 American tv broadcasts last fall were NFL games. And I'll actually show my work, lol.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014 ... d-shows-this-fall/227726/

I hope you understand the difference between basic network and over the air cable. NFL has a built in advantage. For a better understanding, let?s use some numbers that you should be able to read:

ESPN MNF Ratings
ESPN?s 17 MNF telecasts in 2013 averaged an 8.6 US rating

Liga MX Ratings
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The Mexican league is doing gangbusters on U.S. television, outdoing other soccer leagues and even some other American sports. Another good sign for Liga MX broadcasts is that their numbers aren't just besting other soccer broadcasts, but other American sports' broadcasts as well. According to Univision, Liga MX matches on Univision average more viewers than the MLB regular season on ESPN and the NBA regular season on NBA TV.


So, that is one league. Fans of that one league aren?t necessarily watching Premier League, Bundesliga, La Liga, Serie A, MLS, etc. So? If you are understanding of the basic idea that you are comparing a sport which is diverse and has many leagues to a league, then you?ll be in the same ballpark.

If you are saying NFL, NBA, and MLB are more popular than MLS, yeah. If you argue that they are more popular than the Premier League, sure. If you say that they are more popular than Liga MX, the NFL might be able to say that only. Now, add all of those leagues up and you?ll realize that sport of soccer is most definitely one of the most popular in the USA.


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Not bad for a sport that people might find boring.


You're right, it isn't bad. But Pebble claimed without providing any real evidence whatsoever that the "reality" is that soccer is the US's most popular sport. Obviously this is laughable.

Also, while American soccer interest has its flash in the pan once every four years, we both know that you've got to measure statistics for an average game to get any kind of feel for a sport's true popularity. Worth mentioning that 34 of the top 35 American tv broadcasts last fall were NFL games. And I'll actually show my work, lol.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014 ... d-shows-this-fall/227726/

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And on that front soccer is making big inroads.



http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/soc ... l-match-article-1.1841288

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The riveting game, which ended in a draw, was the most watched soccer game in U.S. history. It was viewed by 24.7 million people, according to Nielsen, and the 18.2 million viewers who watched the ESPN broadcast made it the most-watched sporting event in network history that did not involve American football.


Not bad for a sport that people might find boring.

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I hope Pebble doesn't get too upset when she reads that the biggest soccer star in the USA, fresh from getting a phone call from the POTUS, declares that he wants to play for the-wait for it-the NBA New York Knickerbockers!

http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/20 ... _knicks.html#incart_river

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The reality is, soccer is more popular in America than just about any other sport.


Show your work or GTFO.


Soccer comes in at 3rd based on numbers participating on a few lists. If you could measure numbers of people just kicking a ball around in a yard, it'd probably only be second to basketball - might even edge it.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/19 ... sports-in-the-us-in-2009/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_in_the_United_States


Participating isn't the same as watching it. For generations, American kids have played soccer. Haven't you heard the term "soccer mom?" But people enter HS and soccer becomes uncool to watch. Possibly because many find it very boring.

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The reality is, soccer is more popular in America than just about any other sport.


Show your work or GTFO.


Soccer comes in at 3rd based on numbers participating on a few lists. If you could measure numbers of people just kicking a ball around in a yard, it'd probably only be second to basketball - might even edge it.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/19 ... sports-in-the-us-in-2009/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_in_the_United_States

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Sorry, you didn't back it up. I asked you for numbers to support your claim and you haven't done so yet. If this were such a slam dunk, it shouldn't be hard to provide.

I'm not refuting your argument, I'm asking you to reasonably prove your argument.

I?ve provided you information. Either you have the critical thinking skills to add it up or you don?t. It really doesn?t matter much in the end as you?ve had your mind made up from the jump. Numbers mean nothing without context or understanding.


Nope, you didn't provide anything but an unsubstantiated claim. If you had proof to back up your claim, you would have given it by now.

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Personal opinion, myths and beliefs aside - These are the facts.

Top 5 Most popular sports in the US.

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2. Baseball

3. Basketball

4. Ice Hockey

5. Football (Soccer)

http://sporteology.com/top-10-most-popular-sports-in-america/



More facts - same site...

Top 5 Most popular (watched) sports in the WORLD

1. Soccer

2. Cricket

3. Basketball

4. Field Hockey

5. Tennis

(baseball and football come in 8th and 9th)


http://sporteology.com/top-10-popular-sports-world/


We're not talking about the 'world' popular sports - Its the US we are focused on.

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not total BS boss. My dad dealt cards there for 25 years. He and many, many of his friends that were cooks and waiters in the hotels became dealers when they opened up the casinos.

Im born and raised and he's still there. He supported our family and put me through catholic grade school, high school and helped with college. Also paid off his house. Trust me, many dealers and other non "menial" workers at least started off in AC. Yes, many leave after they get their feet under them but some do stay.


Not the dishwashers though. AC is a shithole and a homage to all the worst culture America has to offer.

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Sorry, you didn't back it up. I asked you for numbers to support your claim and you haven't done so yet. If this were such a slam dunk, it shouldn't be hard to provide.

I'm not refuting your argument, I'm asking you to reasonably prove your argument.

I?ve provided you information. Either you have the critical thinking skills to add it up or you don?t. It really doesn?t matter much in the end as you?ve had your mind made up from the jump. Numbers mean nothing without context or understanding.

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Well, USA isn?t in UEFA so they won?t be able to compete in Champions League, but we have our own tournament. This has existed for quite some time now. It?s called CONCACAF Champions League. RBNY, winning the Supporter?s Shield, will compete in it. Mexican teams have won the tournament every year.

There is the FIFA Club World Cup each year, but nobody pays much attention to it.


http://www.givemesport.com/187014-is- ... ds-biggest-sporting-event

Not to derail the topic, but the point was that all the top players in the world play in Europe, because they want to compete yearly in the UEFA Champions league - probably the worlds top sporting event. CONCACAF isn't going to attract money, global media interest and top players in it's present form - other than older players looking for an easy retirement plan. There's been talk over the years of converting the UEFA Champions league into a Super-League of top clubs. Getting US teams into a new North Altantic style league would be a big win for both the US and for money injected into the sport as a whole.

I don?t disagree with the money, etc. However, even the proposed Super-League would involve UEFA teams. It?s been parried about for a while and I just don?t see it right now.

The aging stars meme is also changing a bit. It?s not changed permanently, but it?s starting to change. I?ll be happy when it does.

In the meantime, we have Gold Cup, Copa America, and Confederations Cup to look forward to over the next few years for fun international sporting events that the USA should be part of.

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http://sporteology.com/top-10-most-popular-sports-in-america/



More facts - same site...

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3. Basketball

4. Field Hockey

5. Tennis

(baseball and football come in 8th and 9th)


http://sporteology.com/top-10-popular-sports-world/

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Well, USA isn?t in UEFA so they won?t be able to compete in Champions League, but we have our own tournament. This has existed for quite some time now. It?s called CONCACAF Champions League. RBNY, winning the Supporter?s Shield, will compete in it. Mexican teams have won the tournament every year.

There is the FIFA Club World Cup each year, but nobody pays much attention to it.


http://www.givemesport.com/187014-is- ... ds-biggest-sporting-event

Not to derail the topic, but the point was that all the top players in the world play in Europe, because they want to compete yearly in the UEFA Champions league - probably the worlds top sporting event. CONCACAF isn't going to attract money, global media interest and top players in it's present form - other than older players looking for an easy retirement plan. There's been talk over the years of converting the UEFA Champions league into a Super-League of top clubs. Getting US teams into a new North Altantic style league would be a big win for both the US and for money injected into the sport as a whole.

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You think I listen to Mike Francesa because I asked you to back up your claim?

In other words, you can't back up what you said. When you can, let me know. Thanks.

I have backed it up. Read above. Refute it if you would like to try. So far, doesn?t seem like it.


Sorry, you didn't back it up. I asked you for numbers to support your claim and you haven't done so yet. If this were such a slam dunk, it shouldn't be hard to provide.

I'm not refuting your argument, I'm asking you to reasonably prove your argument.

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I love it! Someone posts unequivocal evidence of one particular soccer league trumping a North American based league in another sport and you still ignore it because it doesn?t fit the meme you?ve written in your head.


I said "So?" because beating hockey in ratings is clearly nothing to brag about. "I beat a fat guy in a race!" That's nice but I wouldn't be patting myself on the back about it.

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You think I listen to Mike Francesa because I asked you to back up your claim?

In other words, you can't back up what you said. When you can, let me know. Thanks.

I have backed it up. Read above. Refute it if you would like to try. So far, doesn?t seem like it.

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Soccer hit its apex in the US with the Cosmos-Pele, Chinaglia, Beckenbauer. That was thirty years ago!

Again, nothing you?ve written here is in any way relative to what I wrote above. Try walking into Mulligans on a Saturday morning in September?

As I posted above, soccer is a sport. It might be hard to grasp but there are many many leagues that make up the sport. Not everyone follows every league. Just as I like MLB, I could give a flying fig about the Japanese or Dominican leagues. However, according to you and the other numpty, the ratings of Japanese and Dominican leagues means that baseball is not popular.

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Pebble, soccer just doesn't cut it in the USA. Never has, never will. The fact that we're now on multi-generational status with kids who grew up playing it but don't support professional soccer pretty much tells the tale.

Now that the World Cup is over we can forget it for another four years.


liga mx crushes the nhl in tv ratings


So?

I love it! Someone posts unequivocal evidence of one particular soccer league trumping a North American based league in another sport and you still ignore it because it doesn?t fit the meme you?ve written in your head.

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