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I think what's often left out in this discussion is that the Fulop administration admitted from day 1 that they ordered the traffic stops. And they found violations on lots of vehicles that they stopped. The PANYNJ craps all over Jersey City, and the impact of commercial vehicles, some unsafe, is part of that. So while it was symbolic, it was part of an operation that is within the powers of the City.

The timing and symbolism of the stops was undoubtedly a shot across the bow of the Port Authority, but it was a legitimate operation, even if it was motivated in part to send a message to the PANYNJ. That is in contrast to the GW Bridge closure (I will not add the "gate" suffix to any political scandal until someone explains what water had to do with Watergate) which was purely punitive in nature.

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FULOPGATE moves into high gear. Cant wait to see this play out and blow up in pajama boy fulops face!

"Pajama Boy"? That's a new one. Never heard that before. In any case, why would Fulop want to snarl traffic by the Holland Tunnel? Assuming his own constituents (i.e. Jersey City voters) are in the snarled traffic, wouldn't that just make them angry at Fulop? The Bridgegate scandal was pretty far fetched too, but at least it alleged a politician from a higher office trying to screw over a local politician he didn't like, which makes some sense in theory. Fulop would only be screwing himself over by snarling Holland Tunnel traffic.

He then did it to the truckers exiting a Port Authority leased facility . . . why not stop all trucks say, on 440, rather than leaving one specific location? Because it was directed at the Port Authority, that's why.

But again, no one has stated that Christie ordered the traffic jam. The highest law enforcement officer in the city, the JC Police Chief has stated that Fulop ordered both the Port Authority traffic jams, and backed down on only one.

Right...so has David Wildstein changed his name to "no one"? Must have been all that embarrassment about the social studies teacher shaming.

And I'm sure the phone record showing a call from Christie to Cuomo when Pat Foye cried foul was just to talk football.

And please tell me Wildstein lacks credibility- because both he and Cowan were fired. The difference is that Wildstein was a Christie fanboy the entire time. Just like you, except he saw the light eventually.

I must have missed the part where Wildstein has stated that Christie had anything to do with the traffic jam, have I? Or produced an email, text, or note suggesting or approving such actions.

Unlike the JC Chief of freaking police who HAS stated that Fulop has ordered retaliatory Port Authority actions. Is there a difference? Of course there is.

Did you not read the 1M sham report we paid for?

?It will apparently be Wildstein?s contention ? as he alleged in early December 2013 to Drewniak ? that he mentioned the traffic issue to the governor on that occasion,? the report said, referring to the memorial ceremony, which was held at ground zero.

Yeah so I guess you believe a fired police chief over a fired BFF appointed to a fake position and 1M sham reported authored by your party's defense fund?

So Wildstein mentioned the traffic jam to the Governor-somehow you take this to mean the Governor knew that someone set it up as a political dirty trick in advance?

That's quite the looney left leap.

With over a quarter million emails, texts, phone messages being examined-and throw in the Governors personal email and phone, which he volunteered to hand over-not one single shred of evidence has emerged showing he had knowledge of the traffic jam until it took place. Nor has anyone said he did know about it, ordered it, or had anything to do with it.

It's a big contrast from an acting Chief of Police saying that Fulop ordered him to shut down the Holland Tunnel with phony 'safety' examinations, to punish the Port Authority.

You are delusional even for a Republican. So Christie knew about a shutdown, but did nothing to stop it despite knowing its illegalties is somehow superior to this baseless allegation?

Not to mention that Dawn Zimmer alleges Guadagno told her to push a development the gov wanted- but I guess a fired director is somehow more believable than her diary?

And I guess all the reports saying Fishman is going indict Kelly and Wildstein to get Christie is just politics? Perhaps it's MSNBC or Obama behind it?

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FULOPGATE moves into high gear. Cant wait to see this play out and blow up in pajama boy fulops face!

"Pajama Boy"? That's a new one. Never heard that before. In any case, why would Fulop want to snarl traffic by the Holland Tunnel? Assuming his own constituents (i.e. Jersey City voters) are in the snarled traffic, wouldn't that just make them angry at Fulop? The Bridgegate scandal was pretty far fetched too, but at least it alleged a politician from a higher office trying to screw over a local politician he didn't like, which makes some sense in theory. Fulop would only be screwing himself over by snarling Holland Tunnel traffic.

He then did it to the truckers exiting a Port Authority leased facility . . . why not stop all trucks say, on 440, rather than leaving one specific location? Because it was directed at the Port Authority, that's why.

But again, no one has stated that Christie ordered the traffic jam. The highest law enforcement officer in the city, the JC Police Chief has stated that Fulop ordered both the Port Authority traffic jams, and backed down on only one.

Right...so has David Wildstein changed his name to "no one"? Must have been all that embarrassment about the social studies teacher shaming.

And I'm sure the phone record showing a call from Christie to Cuomo when Pat Foye cried foul was just to talk football.

And please tell me Wildstein lacks credibility- because both he and Cowan were fired. The difference is that Wildstein was a Christie fanboy the entire time. Just like you, except he saw the light eventually.

I must have missed the part where Wildstein has stated that Christie had anything to do with the traffic jam, have I? Or produced an email, text, or note suggesting or approving such actions.

Unlike the JC Chief of freaking police who HAS stated that Fulop has ordered retaliatory Port Authority actions. Is there a difference? Of course there is.

Did you not read the 1M sham report we paid for?

?It will apparently be Wildstein?s contention ? as he alleged in early December 2013 to Drewniak ? that he mentioned the traffic issue to the governor on that occasion,? the report said, referring to the memorial ceremony, which was held at ground zero.

Yeah so I guess you believe a fired police chief over a fired BFF appointed to a fake position and 1M sham reported authored by your party's defense fund?

So Wildstein mentioned the traffic jam to the Governor-somehow you take this to mean the Governor knew that someone set it up as a political dirty trick in advance?

That's quite the looney left leap.

With over a quarter million emails, texts, phone messages being examined-and throw in the Governors personal email and phone, which he volunteered to hand over-not one single shred of evidence has emerged showing he had knowledge of the traffic jam until it took place. Nor has anyone said he did know about it, ordered it, or had anything to do with it.

It's a big contrast from an acting Chief of Police saying that Fulop ordered him to shut down the Holland Tunnel with phony 'safety' examinations, to punish the Port Authority.

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FULOPGATE moves into high gear. Cant wait to see this play out and blow up in pajama boy fulops face!

"Pajama Boy"? That's a new one. Never heard that before. In any case, why would Fulop want to snarl traffic by the Holland Tunnel? Assuming his own constituents (i.e. Jersey City voters) are in the snarled traffic, wouldn't that just make them angry at Fulop? The Bridgegate scandal was pretty far fetched too, but at least it alleged a politician from a higher office trying to screw over a local politician he didn't like, which makes some sense in theory. Fulop would only be screwing himself over by snarling Holland Tunnel traffic.

He then did it to the truckers exiting a Port Authority leased facility . . . why not stop all trucks say, on 440, rather than leaving one specific location? Because it was directed at the Port Authority, that's why.

But again, no one has stated that Christie ordered the traffic jam. The highest law enforcement officer in the city, the JC Police Chief has stated that Fulop ordered both the Port Authority traffic jams, and backed down on only one.

Right...so has David Wildstein changed his name to "no one"? Must have been all that embarrassment about the social studies teacher shaming.

And I'm sure the phone record showing a call from Christie to Cuomo when Pat Foye cried foul was just to talk football.

And please tell me Wildstein lacks credibility- because both he and Cowan were fired. The difference is that Wildstein was a Christie fanboy the entire time. Just like you, except he saw the light eventually.

I must have missed the part where Wildstein has stated that Christie had anything to do with the traffic jam, have I? Or produced an email, text, or note suggesting or approving such actions.

Unlike the JC Chief of freaking police who HAS stated that Fulop has ordered retaliatory Port Authority actions. Is there a difference? Of course there is.

Did you not read the 1M sham report we paid for?

?It will apparently be Wildstein?s contention ? as he alleged in early December 2013 to Drewniak ? that he mentioned the traffic issue to the governor on that occasion,? the report said, referring to the memorial ceremony, which was held at ground zero.

Yeah so I guess you believe a fired police chief over a fired BFF appointed to a fake position and 1M sham reported authored by your party's defense fund?

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FULOPGATE moves into high gear. Cant wait to see this play out and blow up in pajama boy fulops face!

"Pajama Boy"? That's a new one. Never heard that before. In any case, why would Fulop want to snarl traffic by the Holland Tunnel? Assuming his own constituents (i.e. Jersey City voters) are in the snarled traffic, wouldn't that just make them angry at Fulop? The Bridgegate scandal was pretty far fetched too, but at least it alleged a politician from a higher office trying to screw over a local politician he didn't like, which makes some sense in theory. Fulop would only be screwing himself over by snarling Holland Tunnel traffic.

He then did it to the truckers exiting a Port Authority leased facility . . . why not stop all trucks say, on 440, rather than leaving one specific location? Because it was directed at the Port Authority, that's why.

But again, no one has stated that Christie ordered the traffic jam. The highest law enforcement officer in the city, the JC Police Chief has stated that Fulop ordered both the Port Authority traffic jams, and backed down on only one.

Right...so has David Wildstein changed his name to "no one"? Must have been all that embarrassment about the social studies teacher shaming.

And I'm sure the phone record showing a call from Christie to Cuomo when Pat Foye cried foul was just to talk football.

And please tell me Wildstein lacks credibility- because both he and Cowan were fired. The difference is that Wildstein was a Christie fanboy the entire time. Just like you, except he saw the light eventually.

I must have missed the part where Wildstein has stated that Christie had anything to do with the traffic jam, have I? Or produced an email, text, or note suggesting or approving such actions.

Unlike the JC Chief of freaking police who HAS stated that Fulop has ordered retaliatory Port Authority actions. Is there a difference? Of course there is.

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Yahoo wrote:
FULOPGATE moves into high gear. Cant wait to see this play out and blow up in pajama boy fulops face!

"Pajama Boy"? That's a new one. Never heard that before. In any case, why would Fulop want to snarl traffic by the Holland Tunnel? Assuming his own constituents (i.e. Jersey City voters) are in the snarled traffic, wouldn't that just make them angry at Fulop? The Bridgegate scandal was pretty far fetched too, but at least it alleged a politician from a higher office trying to screw over a local politician he didn't like, which makes some sense in theory. Fulop would only be screwing himself over by snarling Holland Tunnel traffic.

He then did it to the truckers exiting a Port Authority leased facility . . . why not stop all trucks say, on 440, rather than leaving one specific location? Because it was directed at the Port Authority, that's why.

But again, no one has stated that Christie ordered the traffic jam. The highest law enforcement officer in the city, the JC Police Chief has stated that Fulop ordered both the Port Authority traffic jams, and backed down on only one.

Right...so has David Wildstein changed his name to "no one"? Must have been all that embarrassment about the social studies teacher shaming.

And I'm sure the phone record showing a call from Christie to Cuomo when Pat Foye cried foul was just to talk football.

And please tell me Wildstein lacks credibility- because both he and Cowan were fired. The difference is that Wildstein was a Christie fanboy the entire time. Just like you, except he saw the light eventually.

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The police chief just misses Healy. He and all those former council members that kowtowed to Healy all the time should get together for a circle-jerk, while reminiscing about how great things were during the Healy days.

The police chief was appointed by Fulop so I think you are sorely mistaken...

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The police chief just misses Healy. He and all those former council members that kowtowed to Healy all the time should get together for a circle-jerk, while reminiscing about how great things were during the Healy days.

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Yahoo wrote:
FULOPGATE moves into high gear. Cant wait to see this play out and blow up in pajama boy fulops face!

"Pajama Boy"? That's a new one. Never heard that before. In any case, why would Fulop want to snarl traffic by the Holland Tunnel? Assuming his own constituents (i.e. Jersey City voters) are in the snarled traffic, wouldn't that just make them angry at Fulop? The Bridgegate scandal was pretty far fetched too, but at least it alleged a politician from a higher office trying to screw over a local politician he didn't like, which makes some sense in theory. Fulop would only be screwing himself over by snarling Holland Tunnel traffic.

He then did it to the truckers exiting a Port Authority leased facility . . . why not stop all trucks say, on 440, rather than leaving one specific location? Because it was directed at the Port Authority, that's why.

But again, no one has stated that Christie ordered the traffic jam. The highest law enforcement officer in the city, the JC Police Chief has stated that Fulop ordered both the Port Authority traffic jams, and backed down on only one.

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Yahoo wrote:
FULOPGATE moves into high gear. Cant wait to see this play out and blow up in pajama boy fulops face!

"Pajama Boy"? That's a new one. Never heard that before. In any case, why would Fulop want to snarl traffic by the Holland Tunnel? Assuming his own constituents (i.e. Jersey City voters) are in the snarled traffic, wouldn't that just make them angry at Fulop? The Bridgegate scandal was pretty far fetched too, but at least it alleged a politician from a higher office trying to screw over a local politician he didn't like, which makes some sense in theory. Fulop would only be screwing himself over by snarling Holland Tunnel traffic.

He then did it to the truckers exiting a Port Authority leased facility . . . why not stop all trucks say, on 440, rather than leaving one specific location? Because it was directed at the Port Authority, that's why.

But again, no one has stated that Christie ordered the traffic jam. The highest law enforcement officer in the city, the JC Police Chief has stated that Fulop ordered both the Port Authority traffic jams, and backed down on only one.

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I'm sure more will come out of this as time goes on. However, I will say that I have been going to Captain's meetings for several years. Cowan is the only Police Chief that ever showed up and he actually showed up twice during the first half of 2014. I will commend him for this and for listening to residents directly in an informal setting. I'll add that I did vote for Fulop but am starting to actually miss good old Jeremiah !

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FULOPGATE moves into high gear. Cant wait to see this play out and blow up in pajama boy fulops face!

"Pajama Boy"? That's a new one. Never heard that before. In any case, why would Fulop want to snarl traffic by the Holland Tunnel? Assuming his own constituents (i.e. Jersey City voters) are in the snarled traffic, wouldn't that just make them angry at Fulop? The Bridgegate scandal was pretty far fetched too, but at least it alleged a politician from a higher office trying to screw over a local politician he didn't like, which makes some sense in theory. Fulop would only be screwing himself over by snarling Holland Tunnel traffic.

Yahoo wrote:
FULOPGATE moves into high gear. Cant wait to see this play out and blow up in pajama boy fulops face!

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Since when does JCPD patrol traffic at the Holland Tunnel? That's PAPD territory.

Good point. My guess is that I know the neighborhood associations don't like commuters using Jersey City local streets to bypass tunnel traffic. With the closure of the Pulaski Skyway inbound I would think residents feared this would get worse. I know in the past there had been talks of redirecting traffic to prevent this. (This was years ago). I see other towns closing roads or making certain roads one way to prevent commuters from using local streets by schools to avoid traffic. Maybe this is something similar. I doubt it is anything like bridgegate.

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Since when does JCPD patrol traffic at the Holland Tunnel? That's PAPD territory.

don't you think Fulop also has a responsibility to identify what the directions were that Cowan failed to follow?

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Or he could have simply refused to do it, which is what he did. That is why he was fired.

Okay - but if he was given orders by his direct superior (the Mayor), that were contradictory to written laws and/or were an imminent danger to the public, don't you think he had a legal (if not moral) responsibility to speak up? He is now only speaking up because he was demoted? With all the sound and fury, I hope he also has more documentation than a personal diary if he wants to maintain the credibility he so passionately writes about.

Or he could have simply refused to do it, which is what he did. That is why he was fired.

For the same reason Dawn Zimmer did not speak about pushing the development for the Rockefeller Group. She felt she was up against a powerful governor and I am sure Cowan felt similar about Fulop.

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To this day we dont know what these best practices are. Stand by while they fabricate some.