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Monroe wrote:
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Crazy_Chester wrote:
The more relevant point is that this move DID delay ambulances. Whether or not this woman could have been saved is not the point. Messing with traffic is damn dangerous.

And I ask again, what if this woman had been your mother? Would you so casually shrug Bridgegate off?

My mother died at 67, if she made 91 I'd have been thrilled. I'd love to see a stat on how many 91 year old women survive heart attacks under any circumstances, let alone a few minute delay in response from an ambulance.

Still missing the point. Purposely, I assume.

Fail. First, you'd have to prove that the 91 year old woman, already in cardiac arrest (and maybe already dead but undeclared) lost her life over a few minutes delay. If that is so, then I said throw the book at the people involved.

No connection has been made to Christie over this, so his exposure is zero-unless you're one of the 'it's his culture as exec that encouraged this' in which case we're back to Obama and IRSGate, which you'd then be calling for his head as well. Along with Mrs. Clinton and Benghazi.

But you won't, of course, because that's intellectually honest and non partisan.

Monroe wrote:
Let's be real, folks. Those gleeful over this weren't going to vote for Christie for POTUS before conegate anyway, right?

Monroe wrote:
Let's be real, folks. Those gleeful over this weren't going to vote for Christie for POTUS before conegate anyway, right?

Independents, becoming a larger group year by year, have been enthusiastic for Christie overall and are likely not going to be deterred by a molehill mountain over a couple of traffic jams-of which he had no knowledge anyway.

Conservative Republicans would feel much more strongly about Mrs. Clinton and Benghazi than any Christie issues.

So, far out from people declaring for POTUS, conegate is unimportant.

Monroe wrote:
Of course, we just find out that the person in charge of investigating the IRS/Obama scandal is an Obama political donor, appointed by Eric Holder and the DOJ! The fix is in . . .

Monroe wrote:
Back to Christie-he fires anyone involved with cone gate, yet the haters are still hating.

After calling them 'abject idiots' (obviously not handling his own staffers with kid gloves, he's an equal opportunity plain talker), do you think he's worried about a smoking gun email somehow connecting him?

Nope, and that's why it's already becoming a non story.

Monroe wrote:
Haters gonna hate, lol.

But the real issue, vis a vis 2016, is what will be the bigger scandal

Bridgegate in NJ, in which there were a couple additional traffic jams added to the thousands daily in NJ

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Benghazigate, in which four Americans were killed, dozens injured, no one held accountable for not increasing security in a North Africa Arab country on the anniversary of 9/11 after repeated requests to Mrs. Clinton's office, and where we still have no knowledge of what Mrs. Clinton did during the attack-no email trail, no phone records, zero accountability, and no one fired for their poor decisions.

And Mrs. Clinton hasn't given an hour long press conference taking question after question about her role, as Secretary of State in charge, about her leadership and accountability.

Maybe Christie should have said 'what's the difference'?

And did you notice how Christie calmly responded to certain questions that were trying to get him to lose his cool? Didn't work.

Monroe wrote:
(I won't make the comparison of Mrs. Clinton and four murdered Americans again, I shouldn't need to) except to say not only has no one been fired, but that no inquiry has begun. In fact, Mrs. Clinton's State Department, both when she was the Secretary and now, has refused to allow on site victims to testify to Congress about the terrorist (not video inspired) attack.

Now, conspiracy folks, that's a coverup!

user1111 wrote:
Ms. Bridget has children that she wants to send to college and she wants to keep surviving and not many will hire her. So the truth will come out when she writes her tell all book just before the primaries.

Monroe wrote:
Let's be real, folks. Those gleeful over this weren't going to vote for Christie for POTUS before conegate anyway, right?

Independents, becoming a larger group year by year, have been enthusiastic for Christie overall and are likely not going to be deterred by a molehill mountain over a couple of traffic jams-of which he had no knowledge anyway.

Conservative Republicans would feel much more strongly about Mrs. Clinton and Benghazi than any Christie issues.

So, far out from people declaring for POTUS, conegate is unimportant.

(Of course, and this is a big of course, barring any emails/phone messages/texts connecting Christie to conegate). Given his very genuine press conference today I doubt it highly. I'd say there isn't a semen stained dress situation hanging in someone's closet with DNA evidence. Or a pizza grease stain on a memo! :)

Atsushi wrote:
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/11 ... dal-leaves-many-questions

Better than fiction!

user1111 wrote:
Ms. Bridget has children that she wants to send to college and she wants to keep surviving and not many will hire her. So the truth will come out when she writes her tell all book just before the primaries.

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PremiumContent wrote:
Christie didn't know anything, yet he was actively trying to cover up the investigation a month ago.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/S ... 4477704579254012674389146

The article is about a month old, and Cuomo has fully backed Christie at every opportunity over conegate, nothing new here.

PremiumContent wrote:
Christie didn't know anything, yet he was actively trying to cover up the investigation a month ago.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/S ... 4477704579254012674389146

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The more relevant point is that this move DID delay ambulances. Whether or not this woman could have been saved is not the point. Messing with traffic is damn dangerous.

And I ask again, what if this woman had been your mother? Would you so casually shrug Bridgegate off?

My mother died at 67, if she made 91 I'd have been thrilled. I'd love to see a stat on how many 91 year old women survive heart attacks under any circumstances, let alone a few minute delay in response from an ambulance.

Still missing the point. Purposely, I assume.

Vigilante wrote:
People keep mentioning Benghazi. It's already been proven that the attack was spontaneous and then co-opted by local warlords. Kind of like looting a store. Stevens didn't want a massive security detail. He was well liked by Libyans and had just helped them win their liberation. He knew things weren't great there but no one knew of any specific threats. The anti-Islamic film sparked the outrage and warlords co-opted the outrage to make a political statement. Only thing I disagree with is that Obama has allowed the prime suspect to remain free. In any case, this Christie thing will probably blow over by next year. He just better hope he kept a reasonable distance from the actual machinations. Kind of like what Healy did in the pay for play scandal. No doubt Christie knew something but for his sake he better hope that only his subordinates take the fall.

Monroe wrote:
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Crazy_Chester wrote:
The more relevant point is that this move DID delay ambulances. Whether or not this woman could have been saved is not the point. Messing with traffic is damn dangerous.

And I ask again, what if this woman had been your mother? Would you so casually shrug Bridgegate off?

My mother died at 67, if she made 91 I'd have been thrilled. I'd love to see a stat on how many 91 year old women survive heart attacks under any circumstances, let alone a few minute delay in response from an ambulance.

Crazy_Chester wrote:
The more relevant point is that this move DID delay ambulances. Whether or not this woman could have been saved is not the point. Messing with traffic is damn dangerous.

And I ask again, what if this woman had been your mother? Would you so casually shrug Bridgegate off?

stc4blues wrote:
I saw the press conference, and it was a convincing performance. But there is this:

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Bogart wrote:
It's true that there is nothing (yet) to prove that Christie knew about this. However, common sense tell us that his aides and political advisors would not be acting so recklessly without his approval or a strong basis to believe he approved based on prior behavior.

Bogart wrote:
It's true that there is nothing (yet) to prove that Christie knew about this. However, common sense tell us that his aides and political advisors would not be acting so recklessly without his approval or a strong basis to believe he approved based on prior behavior.

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Monroe wrote:
Haters gonna hate, lol.

But the real issue, vis a vis 2016, is what will be the bigger scandal

Bridgegate in NJ, in which there were a couple additional traffic jams added to the thousands daily in NJ

or

Benghazigate, in which four Americans were killed, dozens injured, no one held accountable for not increasing security in a North Africa Arab country on the anniversary of 9/11 after repeated requests to Mrs. Clinton's office, and where we still have no knowledge of what Mrs. Clinton did during the attack-no email trail, no phone records, zero accountability, and no one fired for their poor decisions.

And Mrs. Clinton hasn't given an hour long press conference taking question after question about her role, as Secretary of State in charge, about her leadership and accountability.

Maybe Christie should have said 'what's the difference'?

And did you notice how Christie calmly responded to certain questions that were trying to get him to lose his cool? Didn't work.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationn ... sey-bridge-death-20140108,0,2864014.story

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In September, according to a report from the Bergen Record, paramedics trying to reach an unconscious 91-year-old woman in Fort Lee, N.J., got stuck in a traffic jam that had apparently been created by Christie's associates as political punishment for the borough's mayor, a Democrat. Multiple lanes were forced to merge into one, gridlocking traffic for days.

The woman later died at a hospital of cardiac arrest, according to a Sept. 10 letter that EMS coordinator Paul Favia sent to the borough's mayor.

"Paramedics were delayed due to heavy traffic on Fort Lee Road and had to meet the ambulance en-route to the hospital instead of on the scene," Favia wrote, the Record reported.

Although Favia did not explicitly blame the woman's death on the traffic delay -- the paramedics got to her in seven minutes -- it was one of four such delays reported by the coordinator, the newspaper reported.