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Interesting article on an urban beach in Queens! Maybe this will encourage Jersey City developers to start thinking outisde the box.
A rendering of Hunter's Point South (source: Mayor's Flickr page) A rendering of Hunter?s Point South (source: Mayor?s Flickr page) The city will open a new public park in Long Island City?s Hunter?s Point South section Wednesday ? the centerpiece of what is perhaps the city?s largest redevelopment undertaking since the 1970s. The five-acre park extends a corridor of waterfront recreational space on Queens? western shore that runs south from Gantry Plaza State Park and should reach troubled Newtown Creek. The park is part of a larger project to build 5,000 new residential units ? the majority of them affordable ? alongside retail businesses and a school. ?It?s about building a mixed-use neighborhood with affordable housing at the core,? said Michael Rem, an executive vice president at the city?s Economic Development Corp., which spearheaded the project, according to the Wall Street Journal. ?We hope a policeman or nurse could get a two-bedroom apartment here and raise a family.? Developers have begun work on two 900-unit housing blocks?one 37 floors and the other 32 floors?expected to cost roughly $332 million and set for completion in 2014. The bulk of the funding for the residential complex came in the form of $236 million in City Housing Development Corp. tax-exempt bonds, according to the newspaper. [WSJ] ? Hiten Samtani
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Although RUinHamiltonPark is generalizing, he is pretty on point, and those kinds of people can be pretty annoying and Brooklyn is absolutely filled with them.
Posted on: 2013/8/24 5:22
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I am not stereotyping people from Ohio or Iowa.
I am stereotyping those people who come to NYC thinking they are going to "make it big" and to do so, they can't live in small time Jersey City or NJ at all, but big time like Williamsburg. I knew these people from living in the city, and still meet them as I manage to cross the river and remain part of the "scene" as it is. I knew them in law school, many of whom came here for the first time ever and instantly became New Yorkers when the subway crossed into Brooklyn (away from icky Queens and its blue collar types). The people who became New Yorkers because they made a facebook status about the Yankees or got really daring one day by holding the subway, or had a real New York meal like Whole Foods or went to a real place that New Yorkers go like Meatpacking and then went back to a real New York place to live like a loft in Bushwick that was a drug den five years ago. It's a joke, these people are totally intolerable wherever they come from. An inordinate amount come from Midwestern states where there are limited opportunities, and they don't go to Chicago because it isn't "cool" enough. And sorry, I won't let off the other states...it's also really pathetic when you can pick out the Californians and Floridians on the subway wearing gloves in September. Yes, I'm more New Yorker than any of those people. Yes I will frown on them. They make ME think of moving to Chicago to get away from them. Jersey City isn't the only place more "New York" in NJ than hipster mavens, either. I'd count Hoboken, at least, and many of the burbs that are NY-dominated.
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::slow clap:: All these 20somethings who think "real NYers" = snobby Manhattenites should take a look at some of these photos of NYC from the 70s and 80s. Some of us remember the days when Times Square was a seedy place full of nudie bars and pickpockets, not a Disneyland for tourists like today. Or when the East Village, Lower East side, not to mention almost all of Brooklyn were places you hung out only if you grew up there, or if you wanted to live a little dangerously. Now the biggest danger in Park Slope is someone puts regular milk in your latte instead of soy. http://superchief.tv/80-photos-of-old-new-york-1970-1989/
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Spoken with the smug, clueless arrogance that only youth, narcissism and myopia can bring. I guess the entire town of South Orange can cross itself off the list, as can Maplewood and Montclair. Millburn can tell the Paper Mill to stop producing new Broadway-bound musicals such as "Honeymoon in Vegas" which is about to open there. If you're over forty, according to your other post, apparently you are no longer relevant to the NY scene--whatever the #OOPS# that is--so you might as well just stop making music, Grammy-winning jazz staple Christian McBride, stop winning Tony awards, Norbert Leo Butz, stop winning Emmys for producing "The Daily Show", David Javerbaum, stop writing Tony-award winning plays, Christopher Durang, stop being hilarious, Stephen Colbert...
How about realizing that your perceptions are limited and colored by your own provincialism? If NYers don't want to consider NJ part of their universe, so be it. Who cares? More benefits for us. Meanwhile, get over yourself. Quote:
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It seems to me that the only insight you've provided is how parochial you are. Since you are so adept at stereotyping people from Ohio and Iowa, how about offering up your stereotypes on the Chinese, Indian and Latino immigrants who also find DTJC a welcoming place to live.
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How are we defining "people in Manhattan"?
Are we defining them as hipsters who moved there from Ohio 2 years ago with dad's credit, or are we defining them as people who grew up there? There's a huge difference. And I happen to know lots of people who lived in Manhattan that live in NJ- I'm one of them. I live in JC, but I'd consider myself a lot more of a "New Yorker" than some hipster sitting on his Brooklyn stoop with a $5 PBR who spent his entire life up to 21-22 in middle America. And I consider myself more of a New Jerseyan than a New Yorker which is saying something. I have the accent, I went to college and grad school here, my whole family from my great-grandparents on has lived in New York since they came to this country, and many of them live in Manhattan...they all lived in Brooklyn when "Brooklyn Strong" meant escaping muggers not $6 latte or organic kale. Those people are New Yorkers, that is the New York scene. There's a lot more "New York" about, say, the Italian festival on 6th Street last weekend than having a beard and riding a bike that your parents sent you when they visitied from the Iowa corn farm you were raised on. As a native New Yorker myself this is exactly what I was thinking!! You actually must have been reading my mind - right down to picking the state of Iowa to mention! Brilliant!
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They are all from Ohio. Its probably partly that Ohio is a huge state in terms of population and yet nothing in terms of real prospects for the young people there. Partly also I suspect Illinois (and the populated places in Indiana and Wisconsin) have Chicago, but Ohio is just far enough away that they end up sending their wayward youths to New York instead.
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 There's a bunch of other stereotypes we can group in but you pretty much nailed it.
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RUinHamiltonPark wrote: How are we defining "people in Manhattan"? Are we defining them as hipsters who moved there from Ohio 2 years ago with dad's credit, or are we defining them as people who grew up there? [...] I live in JC, but I'd consider myself a lot more of a "New Yorker" than some hipster sitting on his Brooklyn stoop with a $5 PBR who spent his entire life up to 21-22 in middle America. RUinHamiltonPark wrote: If the reason people are moving to Brooklyn is just to say they live in the city...it's pretty stupid considering they pay MORE rent and get LESS income via the city tax...but I guess is you're a hipster from Ohio with dad's credit...who cares. 
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*Slow clap*
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How are we defining "people in Manhattan"?
Are we defining them as hipsters who moved there from Ohio 2 years ago with dad's credit, or are we defining them as people who grew up there? There's a huge difference. And I happen to know lots of people who lived in Manhattan that live in NJ- I'm one of them. I live in JC, but I'd consider myself a lot more of a "New Yorker" than some hipster sitting on his Brooklyn stoop with a $5 PBR who spent his entire life up to 21-22 in middle America. And I consider myself more of a New Jerseyan than a New Yorker which is saying something. I have the accent, I went to college and grad school here, my whole family from my great-grandparents on has lived in New York since they came to this country, and many of them live in Manhattan...they all lived in Brooklyn when "Brooklyn Strong" meant escaping muggers not $6 latte or organic kale. Those people are New Yorkers, that is the New York scene. There's a lot more "New York" about, say, the Italian festival on 6th Street last weekend than having a beard and riding a bike that your parents sent you when they visitied from the Iowa corn farm you were raised on.
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Did they have kids? Are they over 40? Did they lose their job? Go ask people in Manhattan if they would rather live in Jersey or Brooklyn or Queens and see what kind of response you get.
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Actually, Astoria is the new Brooklyn. However, I think there is a strong possibility though that there is a large departure of the creative class in the coming years as the region becomes more expensive. Its probably not a good trend for the region and likely will see an overall decline in productivity as the creative industries are decentralized and reborn in less expensive cities. The problem will be that the industries that rely on this labor force will ultimately either face escalating, unsustainable salaries or ultimately relocate to pursue less expensive labor.
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JaeTea, smarten up, you're a clown. Maybe the trust fund hipsters from Middle America and Eurotrash transplants think like you, but not the average Native New Yorker. Tell that to the thousands of well to do former Brooklynites and Staten Islanders that have moved to Monmouth and Middlesex Counties over the past 15 years. Also, last time I checked, the shiny towers on River Rd and affluent towns in Bergen County have plenty of former New Yorkers that moved across the river. No need to even mention Jersey City or Hoboken. Both are uniquely Jersey but have countless connections to NYC. I guess Giants Stadium is in NY in your eyes? The fact is that we live in one continuous Metro area and there are similarities and differences across the board but at the end of the day, everything circles back to proximity to Manhattan.
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That's bull. I am still quite active in NY.
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Is there a formal excommunication process? Is it like being jumped out of a gang? Public stoning? Tarring and feathering?
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Uhh that's been happening for years. Ain't no one from NYC want to move to Jersey. Once you move out of NYC you are no longer part of the NYC scene.
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Don't hold your breath. now that a "Brooklyn" address has cachet, there's PLENTY of crappy neighborhoods for them to fill, Brooklyn is a pretty big place. That said, there's actually already rational people in SI & the Bronx who made similar astute decisions to those that brought many of us here to begin with. When my wife worked in St George SI in the 90's it was quite rundown, but soon there was a boom there with people realizing it was only a free ferry away from Wall Street. And there are people "recolonizing" the Grand Concourse. But they're not the hipsters that need to be "in the scene".
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Can you imagine if some of the delusional hipsters get priced out of BK and move to Staten Island or the Bronx just because they are technically NYC?
I see some reality shows for MTV if that happens.
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Absolutely the Heights section is the central point in and out of N.J. and Jersey City as well.
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Because while Red Hook is in the middle of nowhere, Newport has its own train station connecting to both midtown and Lower Manhattan. This was the WHOLE POINT of Newport in the 80's when it was conceived!! I'll never understand the "Red Hook Rennaisance". Compared to RH, the Heights has insanely great public transport, besides great car access to both the city and highways. The BQE & Gowanus are perpetual parking lots.
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What's probably telling is that the people we are talking about would say you mean not "northwest Brooklyn" but North Brooklyn and South Brooklyn, forgetting about everything south of Kensington. But that's okay, most people only mean "Downtown Jersey City" when they say Jersey City.
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I get a kick when people say that JC is great for people "who are priced out if the five boroughs". 5 boroughs? Nobody is being priced out of the Bronx, Staten island, and most of Queens and moving to DTJC. The only places in the 5 boroughs that DTJC is cheaper than is most of Manhattan, and northwest Brooklyn.
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The evolution of downtown Jersey City has been to grow into a place more closely resembling Park Slope than it does Bushwick. When comparing downtown Jersey City to Park Slope, it is a place that largely is cheaper, closer to Manhattan, closer to jobs, and overall compares very favorably. However, several times people have compared Bushwick to downtown Jersey City and said "gee, why would anyone want to live in Bushwick?" and the primary reason is that someone looking to live in Bushwick wouldn't want to live in Park Slope for the same reasons they don't want to live in Jersey City. Bushwick is younger, hipper, more scensters and hipsters, more artists, where as Park Slope is baby strollers, daycare centers, and middle age people getting ready to settle down and reproduce.
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Bushwick and Park Slope are big places.
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The fantasy that downtown Jersey City has a lot more in common with Park Slope than it does with Bushwick? Also, I'd like to know what I'm selling and how much I plan on earning from that sale.
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Excellent points. The mayor should push the PATH for direct train service on weekends to mitigate the stigma of a long commute (i'm sure they are aware of all the other potential stigmas JC faces and hope they are working on remedying this). They should also provide better AC in the train stations and have monitors outside that indicate time of next train. It's lame to tell us when the next train is when we're underground. I rather know when the next train is upstairs before walking downstairs in the heat.
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People are ignorant; I was once ignorant too. When I first moved to NY, I moved to Brooklyn since it was affordable. No consideration given to Queens, Staten Island or the Bronx. Brooklyn has a good brand name as they say in marketing.
JC needs to work on branding and getting more people over here. For instance, while Ikea and Fairway have ferry service to Red Hook from Pier 11 on weekends, why is there no comprable service for people (especially tourists) to Newport/Target with 3.5% savings. And why don't some of the hotels sponsor a free/discounted ferry service between Manhattan and Hoboken/JC for the convenience of their guests. Sure, it costs money up front, but business development always costs money upfront.
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Not nearly as incoherent as yours...but then again...it appears you are trying to sell something. I don't think many on here are buying the fantasy.
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