boilerplater wrote:
I've realized New Jersey residents must bear a heavy burden, which is propping up the self-esteem of New Yorkers.

getz011 wrote:

That's a pretty area. When MANA has an opening we always walk to it, up and across your hill. (We live in Lafayette). A while back we rented out our garden apartment to some German tourists; they said the highlight of their time in NYC/JC was the gospel service at the church at Ivy Place.

soledad wrote:
To be more specific, I live in the Bergen Hill section of Jersey City. It's a tiny little alcove with its major streets being Summit Ave, Astor Place, Park Street and Crescent Avenue with tree lined streets, brownstones, brick row houses and a few remaining wood frame Victorian style homes. It's 10 minutes from downtown Jersey City and a stone's throw away from the Beacon and St. John's Episcopal Church where there is current advocacy to have it designated as a historic landmark building. It appealed to my family because it reminded us of the Fort Green and Clinton Hill sections of Brooklyn in the early 90s. Not to sugar coat it, the area still needs work and homes need to be renovated and updated but that's no different than Jersey City as a whole including downtown. Nevertheless, it's a diverse neighborhood, we are all getting to know each other and Bergen Hill is a nice place for a young family or couple starting out. I share all this, because I want to provide a "resident" perspective for those trying to learn about this area of Jersey City.

vindication15 wrote:
10 years ago the billboard top 100 song was in da club by 50 cent. in 2003, saddam was alive and just captured, lance armstrong was a hero, and the third lord of the rings movie came out.

and greenville is more dangerous than ever..

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I'm not trying to be snarky, but what is there not to "get" about Brooklyn? The parts of Brooklyn that are popular and have exploded are super convenient, aesthetically attractive, and super walkable. Those are the reasons that people flock to urban cities.

If Jersey City was a part of the 5 boroughs, every square inch of Downtown would be as expensive as Williamsburg and Brooklyn Heights. There is no doubt about it. The fact that it is not part of the 5 boroughs is the only reason why prices have remained relatively "low" ... and by the way, prices in DTJC are more expensive than in most neighborhoods in the outer 4 boroughs.

Brooklyn has built a brand. Jersey City has not. Steven Fulop knows this, and knows the importance of it, and is working at building the brand that Jersey City deserves.

People are choosing the outer stretches of Brooklyn over DTJC because A) Brooklyn has a brand, and B) it's officially a part of NYC. People who move to New York from all over the country and world want to live in the city limits. Demand drives prices up. So yes, Bushwick is still a shitty place, uglier than DTJC, but it's highly coveted to say that one lives in Brooklyn, so there ya go.

It's annoying, but the New York area does a terrible job of promoting the entire area as a region. The Bay Area does a fantastic job of promoting the San Francisco area as a region, although I'm sure some provincialism exists there as well.

I think personally, I'm a little unique in the sense that I think of the entire New York area as a true *region* more than most people do. Maybe it's because I spend so much time in Manhattan in my day to day routine, maybe because I have so much family all over the tri-state area. I think it's weird when DTJC residents say "I'm going to the city", because I feel that this statement implies that we, while standing in DTJC having this conversation, are in the suburbs in some sense.

Ahh. Whatever :) Just rambling.

Until people in JC considers all of JC as a region we will always be full of shit here. Most people who live dtjc disconnect themselves from the rest of the city. However most outsiders look at JC as a whole. When there are 20 murders or muggings the average New Yawker does not look at JC by sections but as a whole city that's bad.

Yeah, cause brooklyn heights residents defend bushwick ALL THE TIME and they don't think their neighborhood is any better (which usually means SAFER FYI) than bushwick.

So all DTJC residents should defend greenville, cause you know, that region is the main life blood of JC...

Geographically, Brooklyn Heights is a sight farther away from Bushwick than DTJC is from Greenville (which is cheek by jowl). The entirety of Jersey City is about the size of a couple of Brooklyn communities, though depending on those referenced, it could be more densely populated. There's little equivalence here. Bushwick's concerns are unlikely to effect those in BH, except at a high municipal level. I've found the factionalization in this place pretty ridiculous for a city that can be traversed in less than half an hour.

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I'm not trying to be snarky, but what is there not to "get" about Brooklyn? The parts of Brooklyn that are popular and have exploded are super convenient, aesthetically attractive, and super walkable. Those are the reasons that people flock to urban cities.

If Jersey City was a part of the 5 boroughs, every square inch of Downtown would be as expensive as Williamsburg and Brooklyn Heights. There is no doubt about it. The fact that it is not part of the 5 boroughs is the only reason why prices have remained relatively "low" ... and by the way, prices in DTJC are more expensive than in most neighborhoods in the outer 4 boroughs.

Brooklyn has built a brand. Jersey City has not. Steven Fulop knows this, and knows the importance of it, and is working at building the brand that Jersey City deserves.

People are choosing the outer stretches of Brooklyn over DTJC because A) Brooklyn has a brand, and B) it's officially a part of NYC. People who move to New York from all over the country and world want to live in the city limits. Demand drives prices up. So yes, Bushwick is still a shitty place, uglier than DTJC, but it's highly coveted to say that one lives in Brooklyn, so there ya go.

It's annoying, but the New York area does a terrible job of promoting the entire area as a region. The Bay Area does a fantastic job of promoting the San Francisco area as a region, although I'm sure some provincialism exists there as well.

I think personally, I'm a little unique in the sense that I think of the entire New York area as a true *region* more than most people do. Maybe it's because I spend so much time in Manhattan in my day to day routine, maybe because I have so much family all over the tri-state area. I think it's weird when DTJC residents say "I'm going to the city", because I feel that this statement implies that we, while standing in DTJC having this conversation, are in the suburbs in some sense.

Ahh. Whatever :) Just rambling.

Until people in JC considers all of JC as a region we will always be full of shit here. Most people who live dtjc disconnect themselves from the rest of the city. However most outsiders look at JC as a whole. When there are 20 murders or muggings the average New Yawker does not look at JC by sections but as a whole city that's bad.

Yeah, cause brooklyn heights residents defend bushwick ALL THE TIME and they don't think their neighborhood is any better (which usually means SAFER FYI) than bushwick.

So all DTJC residents should defend greenville, cause you know, that region is the main life blood of JC...

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Who wants the mega rich to live here. Educated White collar professionals are moving to the area. With all the violent crime that happens there, Greenville and Bergen Lafayette are closer to Newark and Irvington than DTJC.

Once again separating yourself from a neighborhood that is in your backyard shows me who you are and how pathetic your reality is. So you and your buddy can shit on Bushwick or East New York but guess what these places are in New York City with a NYC zip code, and the both of you are not LMAO.

When NYC local news reports a murder in Jersey City the reporter does not give a specific location of the area the reporter usually reports a murder happened in Jersey City not Greenville.

The only news source that does that is the Jersey Journal to keep scared white people interested in DTJC.
I have been a resident of Greenville for 3 years and love it. I don't buy into the idiotic scare tactics of the Jersey Journal or the Hating on my neighborhood by a$$holes because he fears his property values may go down. FYI the white collar workers are already flocking to GV and BL but the two of you have your head so far up your ass to know it. Have a great weekend shopping on Newark ave.

Maybe the reason why they don't say greenville or bl is that all murders happen there....it would be somewhat redundant.

You are right user, I am not going to risk my life by visiting a neighborhood which has had...what is it 6 murders already this yr? Call me crazy but I don't think that is a safe place.

Instead of yelling at any of us, you should be yelling at your councilperson and telling the mayor to make your crime ridden area safer.

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Who wants the mega rich to live here. Educated White collar professionals are moving to the area. With all the violent crime that happens there, Greenville and Bergen Lafayette are closer to Newark and Irvington than DTJC.

Once again separating yourself from a neighborhood that is in your backyard shows me who you are and how pathetic your reality is. So you and your buddy can shit on Bushwick or East New York but guess what these places are in New York City with a NYC zip code, and the both of you are not LMAO.

When NYC local news reports a murder in Jersey City the reporter does not give a specific location of the area the reporter usually reports a murder happened in Jersey City not Greenville.

The only news source that does that is the Jersey Journal to keep scared white people interested in DTJC.
I have been a resident of Greenville for 3 years and love it. I don't buy into the idiotic scare tactics of the Jersey Journal or the Hating on my neighborhood by a$$holes because he fears his property values may go down. FYI the white collar workers are already flocking to GV and BL but the two of you have your head so far up your ass to know it. Have a great weekend shopping on Newark ave.

Dahood wrote:
Not sure why you keep bringing race in such discussions. .

Dahood wrote:
Who wants the mega rich to live here. Educated White collar professionals are moving to the area. With all the violent crime that happens there, Greenville and Bergen Lafayette are closer to Newark and Irvington than DTJC.

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I'm not trying to be snarky, but what is there not to "get" about Brooklyn? The parts of Brooklyn that are popular and have exploded are super convenient, aesthetically attractive, and super walkable. Those are the reasons that people flock to urban cities.

If Jersey City was a part of the 5 boroughs, every square inch of Downtown would be as expensive as Williamsburg and Brooklyn Heights. There is no doubt about it. The fact that it is not part of the 5 boroughs is the only reason why prices have remained relatively "low" ... and by the way, prices in DTJC are more expensive than in most neighborhoods in the outer 4 boroughs.

Brooklyn has built a brand. Jersey City has not. Steven Fulop knows this, and knows the importance of it, and is working at building the brand that Jersey City deserves.

People are choosing the outer stretches of Brooklyn over DTJC because A) Brooklyn has a brand, and B) it's officially a part of NYC. People who move to New York from all over the country and world want to live in the city limits. Demand drives prices up. So yes, Bushwick is still a shitty place, uglier than DTJC, but it's highly coveted to say that one lives in Brooklyn, so there ya go.

It's annoying, but the New York area does a terrible job of promoting the entire area as a region. The Bay Area does a fantastic job of promoting the San Francisco area as a region, although I'm sure some provincialism exists there as well.

I think personally, I'm a little unique in the sense that I think of the entire New York area as a true *region* more than most people do. Maybe it's because I spend so much time in Manhattan in my day to day routine, maybe because I have so much family all over the tri-state area. I think it's weird when DTJC residents say "I'm going to the city", because I feel that this statement implies that we, while standing in DTJC having this conversation, are in the suburbs in some sense.

Ahh. Whatever :) Just rambling.

Until people in JC considers all of JC as a region we will always be full of shit here. Most people who live dtjc disconnect themselves from the rest of the city. However most outsiders look at JC as a whole. When there are 20 murders or muggings the average New Yawker does not look at JC by sections but as a whole city that's bad.

Yeah, cause brooklyn heights residents defend bushwick ALL THE TIME and they don't think their neighborhood is any better (which usually means SAFER FYI) than bushwick.

So all DTJC residents should defend greenville, cause you know, that region is the main life blood of JC...

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I'm not trying to be snarky, but what is there not to "get" about Brooklyn? The parts of Brooklyn that are popular and have exploded are super convenient, aesthetically attractive, and super walkable. Those are the reasons that people flock to urban cities.

If Jersey City was a part of the 5 boroughs, every square inch of Downtown would be as expensive as Williamsburg and Brooklyn Heights. There is no doubt about it. The fact that it is not part of the 5 boroughs is the only reason why prices have remained relatively "low" ... and by the way, prices in DTJC are more expensive than in most neighborhoods in the outer 4 boroughs.

Brooklyn has built a brand. Jersey City has not. Steven Fulop knows this, and knows the importance of it, and is working at building the brand that Jersey City deserves.

People are choosing the outer stretches of Brooklyn over DTJC because A) Brooklyn has a brand, and B) it's officially a part of NYC. People who move to New York from all over the country and world want to live in the city limits. Demand drives prices up. So yes, Bushwick is still a shitty place, uglier than DTJC, but it's highly coveted to say that one lives in Brooklyn, so there ya go.

It's annoying, but the New York area does a terrible job of promoting the entire area as a region. The Bay Area does a fantastic job of promoting the San Francisco area as a region, although I'm sure some provincialism exists there as well.

I think personally, I'm a little unique in the sense that I think of the entire New York area as a true *region* more than most people do. Maybe it's because I spend so much time in Manhattan in my day to day routine, maybe because I have so much family all over the tri-state area. I think it's weird when DTJC residents say "I'm going to the city", because I feel that this statement implies that we, while standing in DTJC having this conversation, are in the suburbs in some sense.

Ahh. Whatever :) Just rambling.

Until people in JC considers all of JC as a region we will always be full of shit here. Most people who live dtjc disconnect themselves from the rest of the city. However most outsiders look at JC as a whole. When there are 20 murders or muggings the average New Yawker does not look at JC by sections but as a whole city that's bad.

Monroe wrote:

I'd be disappointed if he went to Pacific Pizza-it sucks. A bodega on Communipaw? Attaboy. I'd love to see him try the bar at the corner of Halladay and Communipaw-when is it ever open? It seems scarier than BG's! :) I think he'll show up at the former MAE space before anywhere else.

RebeccaS wrote:
By the way, no one has any actual evidence of where he is moving, it's been a rumor since the election.

I believe the ersatz, new "brownstones" by the hospital and the Jersey Ave. light rail stop call themselves the Liberty State Park neighborhood. I won't believe that he moves here until I see him walking into Provident Bank or going to Pacific Pizza.

I'd also like to point out that Downtown isn't as integrated as some people might think. If anyone saw the Slate article yesterday, we are diverse but not integrated.

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I also think he was motivated by the fact that he could buy a brownstone in Lafayette after selling his 5th floor walkup in PH. There is some awesome housing stock in Lafayette thanks to our old friends Keeney & Halladay.


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My guess is it's mostly a symbolic gesture. Goes against the narrative that he's just a "downtown" mayor, but also it's a beautiful neighborhood and right next to the lightrail. =)

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Just curious, did Fulop state why he planned to move to B-L? You'd think he'd want to be closer to City Hall and stay downtown.

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I'm hearing it's near Communipaw and Pacific. Btw, have you joined the new Lafayette community forum on nextdoor.com? Trying to rally our neighbors to join. https://nextdoor.com/invite/dfsvrptuttjtfvumjafn

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Does anyone know where Fulop is moving to in BeLa?

Its also a way to make B-L safer and get more attention/services improved if the Mayor lives there. Fulop knows this. Its a page from the Cory Booker playbook, IIRC.

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Until people in JC considers all of JC as a region we will always be full of shit here. Most people who live dtjc disconnect themselves from the rest of the city.

I couldn't disagree with the first sentence more. People most certainly see Brooklyn, the Bronx and Queens and even Manhattan in terms of regions and yet they are all part of NYC. Demand for real estate in Tribeca or the Upper East Side is not decreasing because of crime in Harlem or the Bronx.

Downtown is a totally different area than most of the rest of JC whether you like that or not. It has far less crime (especially violent), is much more developed in terms of building, has a different racial and cultural make-up and forms a different socio-economic class. Some people may dislike some of these differences, but they are facts of reality. So it's no wonder that people disconnect themselves between the two areas.

I understand the incentive to paint the picture of JC you're trying to create. You want to pull money and resources from one area of the city to another. That's understandable if you have some sort of connection to areas that will benefit from that. But let's be honest. Without the money coming into DTJC, there's no one to loot!

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I also think he was motivated by the fact that he could buy a brownstone in Lafayette after selling his 5th floor walkup in PH. There is some awesome housing stock in Lafayette thanks to our old friends Keeney & Halladay.


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My guess is it's mostly a symbolic gesture. Goes against the narrative that he's just a "downtown" mayor, but also it's a beautiful neighborhood and right next to the lightrail. =)

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Just curious, did Fulop state why he planned to move to B-L? You'd think he'd want to be closer to City Hall and stay downtown.

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I'm hearing it's near Communipaw and Pacific. Btw, have you joined the new Lafayette community forum on nextdoor.com? Trying to rally our neighbors to join. https://nextdoor.com/invite/dfsvrptuttjtfvumjafn

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Does anyone know where Fulop is moving to in BeLa?