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PEC0905 wrote:
Some of the low-end stores will go, and some will always be here. A mix is good for everybody.

Look at LES in the City, you have fancy new buildings side by side with projects. Live music venues and trendy restaurants on one block, bodegas, community gardens and barbershops on the next. The rent-control and subsidized housing isn't going anywhere, and the same goes for JC.

Newark Ave is gritty and that's not a bad thing. It's only a matter of time before some cheap stores leases end and higher end tenants will definitely follow. Unfortunately some long time residents and store owners will eventually be priced out.

However there will always be a place for bodegas, barbershops and cheap late night eats Downtown. There is much more rent control around here then some new residents realize, and there's nothing wrong with that. We need to keep flavor and culture and the only way to do that is have rich and poor side by side. Otherwise the neighborhood would be all yuppie transplants from the Midwest and trust fund babies. They keep can all that nonsense over in Park Slope, I like where we are headed....

I would take bodegas or barber shops over what we have now - numerous 99 cent stores. It's tacky, doesn't help the community, actually makes the neighborhood less appealing to those who want to move here, and I question the quality of the products sold there.

You think you're being so "nice" by arguing for these 99 cent stores and stores with the name "cheap" in them in staying open, you minus well be arguing for the gas pipeline. These stores ruin communities as much as the gas pipeline will ruin JC.

Please tell me how being able to get a birthday card in spanish for .99 or a roll of toilet paper for .79 on my walk home from the path is the same as backing the pipeline.

Easy.

No one wants to live near a major pipe. No one wants to live next to numerous 99 cent stores.

No one wants to visit you if you live next to a major pipe. No one wants to visit you if you live in a neighborhood with numerous 99 cent stores.

Major gas pipes reduce property values. Numerous 99 cent stores reduce property values.

Major gas pipelines do not better a community and the same for 99 cent stores.

If you really want JC to improve, you would not want those 99 cent stores. Actually, why don't you just order directly from China - buy direct.

I was waiting for the convo to get back to bashing those that actually help JC on any beneficial level. Let me join in. I wish that Goldman Sachs building was a 99 cent store and those luxury condos in Newport were project housing. I wish JC was more like GV or BL because everything is so perfect there. Those people in those buildings are all pretentious aholes anyway and even if they pay their taxes, buy stuff in JC, and help us get somewhat noticed, they still make more money than me so screw them. newport is so bland and there is relatively low crime compared to GV and that is so blah. More 99 cent stores, more project housing, less development, more artists living in houses for free or at below market rates..

Dahood wrote:
While we are at it, the two ugly brown high rises in Newport and the ugly high rises on Montgomery/Warren/CC/Marin also Make the neighborhoods less appealing.

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PEC0905 wrote:
Some of the low-end stores will go, and some will always be here. A mix is good for everybody.

Look at LES in the City, you have fancy new buildings side by side with projects. Live music venues and trendy restaurants on one block, bodegas, community gardens and barbershops on the next. The rent-control and subsidized housing isn't going anywhere, and the same goes for JC.

Newark Ave is gritty and that's not a bad thing. It's only a matter of time before some cheap stores leases end and higher end tenants will definitely follow. Unfortunately some long time residents and store owners will eventually be priced out.

However there will always be a place for bodegas, barbershops and cheap late night eats Downtown. There is much more rent control around here then some new residents realize, and there's nothing wrong with that. We need to keep flavor and culture and the only way to do that is have rich and poor side by side. Otherwise the neighborhood would be all yuppie transplants from the Midwest and trust fund babies. They keep can all that nonsense over in Park Slope, I like where we are headed....

I would take bodegas or barber shops over what we have now - numerous 99 cent stores. It's tacky, doesn't help the community, actually makes the neighborhood less appealing to those who want to move here, and I question the quality of the products sold there.

You think you're being so "nice" by arguing for these 99 cent stores and stores with the name "cheap" in them in staying open, you minus well be arguing for the gas pipeline. These stores ruin communities as much as the gas pipeline will ruin JC.

Please tell me how being able to get a birthday card in spanish for .99 or a roll of toilet paper for .79 on my walk home from the path is the same as backing the pipeline.

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PEC0905 wrote:
Some of the low-end stores will go, and some will always be here. A mix is good for everybody.

Look at LES in the City, you have fancy new buildings side by side with projects. Live music venues and trendy restaurants on one block, bodegas, community gardens and barbershops on the next. The rent-control and subsidized housing isn't going anywhere, and the same goes for JC.

Newark Ave is gritty and that's not a bad thing. It's only a matter of time before some cheap stores leases end and higher end tenants will definitely follow. Unfortunately some long time residents and store owners will eventually be priced out.

However there will always be a place for bodegas, barbershops and cheap late night eats Downtown. There is much more rent control around here then some new residents realize, and there's nothing wrong with that. We need to keep flavor and culture and the only way to do that is have rich and poor side by side. Otherwise the neighborhood would be all yuppie transplants from the Midwest and trust fund babies. They keep can all that nonsense over in Park Slope, I like where we are headed....

I would take bodegas or barber shops over what we have now - numerous 99 cent stores. It's tacky, doesn't help the community, actually makes the neighborhood less appealing to those who want to move here, and I question the quality of the products sold there.

You think you're being so "nice" by arguing for these 99 cent stores and stores with the name "cheap" in them in staying open, you minus well be arguing for the gas pipeline. These stores ruin communities as much as the gas pipeline will ruin JC.

vindication15 wrote:
If you want JC neighborhoods to improve, you have to look at the schools. The public schools in JC are a disgrace. Ferris, Dickson, Snyder, Lincoln - all terrible.

Someone mentioned that NJ schools are producing criminals and I agree - with the above schools the highest offenders.

Start with the kids and everything else will fall into place.

vindication15 wrote:
I would take bodegas or barber shops over what we have now - numerous 99 cent stores. It's tacky, doesn't help the community, actually makes the neighborhood less appealing to those who want to move here, and I question the quality of the products sold there.

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PEC0905 wrote:
Some of the low-end stores will go, and some will always be here. A mix is good for everybody.

Look at LES in the City, you have fancy new buildings side by side with projects. Live music venues and trendy restaurants on one block, bodegas, community gardens and barbershops on the next. The rent-control and subsidized housing isn't going anywhere, and the same goes for JC.

Newark Ave is gritty and that's not a bad thing. It's only a matter of time before some cheap stores leases end and higher end tenants will definitely follow. Unfortunately some long time residents and store owners will eventually be priced out.

However there will always be a place for bodegas, barbershops and cheap late night eats Downtown. There is much more rent control around here then some new residents realize, and there's nothing wrong with that. We need to keep flavor and culture and the only way to do that is have rich and poor side by side. Otherwise the neighborhood would be all yuppie transplants from the Midwest and trust fund babies. They keep can all that nonsense over in Park Slope, I like where we are headed....

I would take bodegas or barber shops over what we have now - numerous 99 cent stores. It's tacky, doesn't help the community, actually makes the neighborhood less appealing to those who want to move here, and I question the quality of the products sold there.

You think you're being so "nice" by arguing for these 99 cent stores and stores with the name "cheap" in them in staying open, you minus well be arguing for the gas pipeline. These stores ruin communities as much as the gas pipeline will ruin JC.

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I love Jersey City!

PEC0905 wrote:
Some of the low-end stores will go, and some will always be here. A mix is good for everybody.

Look at LES in the City, you have fancy new buildings side by side with projects. Live music venues and trendy restaurants on one block, bodegas, community gardens and barbershops on the next. The rent-control and subsidized housing isn't going anywhere, and the same goes for JC.

Newark Ave is gritty and that's not a bad thing. It's only a matter of time before some cheap stores leases end and higher end tenants will definitely follow. Unfortunately some long time residents and store owners will eventually be priced out.

However there will always be a place for bodegas, barbershops and cheap late night eats Downtown. There is much more rent control around here then some new residents realize, and there's nothing wrong with that. We need to keep flavor and culture and the only way to do that is have rich and poor side by side. Otherwise the neighborhood would be all yuppie transplants from the Midwest and trust fund babies. They keep can all that nonsense over in Park Slope, I like where we are headed....

tommyc_37 wrote:
What exactly is a "you're not welcome in this neighborhood look" ... a scowl?

vindication15 wrote:

Whenever I walk by those establishments, I make sure to give my "you're not welcome in this neighborhood" look to the store owners and the people who frequent those establishments

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The discrepancy in rents (very high) versus the quality of current retail choices on Newark Ave (very low) is almost absurd at this point. When decent 1-bedrooms were in the $1100-1300 range, you accepted Sleep Cheap and 99 Cent Dreams, now it's like an insult.

HA!!! Exactly my point.

Whenever I walk by those establishments, I make sure to give my "you're not welcome in this neighborhood" look to the store owners and the people who frequent those establishments

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tommyc_37 wrote:
The discrepancy in rents (very high) versus the quality of current retail choices on Newark Ave (very low) is almost absurd at this point. When decent 1-bedrooms were in the $1100-1300 range, you accepted Sleep Cheap and 99 Cent Dreams, now it's like an insult.

HA!!! Exactly my point.

tommyc_37 wrote:
The discrepancy in rents (very high) versus the quality of current retail choices on Newark Ave (very low) is almost absurd at this point. When decent 1-bedrooms were in the $1100-1300 range, you accepted Sleep Cheap and 99 Cent Dreams, now it's like an insult.

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This is actually why I specifically like JC and the kinds of people it attracts. It doesn't have to be Brooklyn to have it's own cool vibe going on. Moving to JC is probably a pragmatic decision for a lot of people which means these people are also mature enough, laid back enough, and unpretentious enough to move to the "wrong side of the Hudson".

I also think the fact that JC is a bit more affordable means that it's less vulnerable to the very upper middle class white person insanity that has become an issue in places like Park Slope. Here the SUV stroller set has to coexist with so many other demographics - it keeps the vibe varied. You also aren't going to see trust fund college kids "slumming it" in Jersey.

Basically I want JC to continue being perceived as "scary" or really hard to get to by the type of people who see NYC as a luxury playground/shopping mall, because it keeps it cheaper and interesting. People are talking about JC's lack of national reputation like that is a bad thing. Sleeper towns are usually the best balance of everything; once a place is having it's "moment" that's the death rattle.

I agree with you, on most of this. However, DT is getting way over-priced and some of the recent transplants are bringing their NYC MTA rudeness to their PATH train etiquette, which blows. I do recall a time when people actually waiting for those on the train to all exit before pushing their way in. And rents are getting out of control.

Agreed, IMO I don't think anywhere in JC is worth anything over 2k a month. Anything outside of NYC charging that much should be low in crime and clean.

And I'll go even further to say that a 2 bd. should not be more than $1500-$1700 anywhere in JC, unless its over 1300-1500 sq. ft. in in a luxury building.

OneSkirt wrote:

And I'll go even further to say that a 2 bd. should not be more than $1500-$1700 anywhere in JC, unless its over 1300-1500 sq. ft. in in a luxury building.

OneSkirt wrote:
And I'll go even further to say that a 2 bd. should not be more than $1500-$1700 anywhere in JC, unless its over 1300-1500 sq. ft. in in a luxury building.

OneSkirt wrote:
And I'll go even further to say that a 2 bd. should not be more than $1500-$1700 anywhere in JC, unless its over 1300-1500 sq. ft. in in a luxury building.