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This is actually why I specifically like JC and the kinds of people it attracts. It doesn't have to be Brooklyn to have it's own cool vibe going on. Moving to JC is probably a pragmatic decision for a lot of people which means these people are also mature enough, laid back enough, and unpretentious enough to move to the "wrong side of the Hudson".

I also think the fact that JC is a bit more affordable means that it's less vulnerable to the very upper middle class white person insanity that has become an issue in places like Park Slope. Here the SUV stroller set has to coexist with so many other demographics - it keeps the vibe varied. You also aren't going to see trust fund college kids "slumming it" in Jersey.

Basically I want JC to continue being perceived as "scary" or really hard to get to by the type of people who see NYC as a luxury playground/shopping mall, because it keeps it cheaper and interesting. People are talking about JC's lack of national reputation like that is a bad thing. Sleeper towns are usually the best balance of everything; once a place is having it's "moment" that's the death rattle.

I agree with you, on most of this. However, DT is getting way over-priced and some of the recent transplants are bringing their NYC MTA rudeness to their PATH train etiquette, which blows. I do recall a time when people actually waiting for those on the train to all exit before pushing their way in. And rents are getting out of control.

Agreed, IMO I don't think anywhere in JC is worth anything over 2k a month. Anything outside of NYC charging that much should be low in crime and clean.

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I agree live music would give us an edge, I think JSQ would be the best place for it, however it would have to be pretty amazing it only takes me 30 min to be on the LES where there are tons of live music venues. I would not hold my breath on this though, we are talking about the same town where neighborhoods don't even have descent supermarkets.... sigh

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Basically I want JC to continue being perceived as "scary" or really hard to get to by the type of people who see NYC as a luxury playground/shopping mall, because it keeps it cheaper and interesting. People are talking about JC's lack of national reputation like that is a bad thing. Sleeper towns are usually the best balance of everything; once a place is having it's "moment" that's the death rattle.

Their property taxes are less but they pay NYC income tax.

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I've been at the beer garden at close and it was crowded. Lucky Sevens is always crowded. Surf City had a good crowd last summer.

That is irrelevant though- because like many JC residents, I can walk to Hoboken or get there in a cheap cab, and it has one the best bar denisities in the country.

You guys think there is nightlife in Sunset Park or Bushwick? The average downtowner would be hesitant to step in any of those places.

Also the schools in NYC are terrible, aside from Stuyvesant and its ilk...and we have McNair.

Their property taxes are less but they pay NYC income tax.

People know about Brooklyn because 1 in 8 Americans traces their roots to it, including myself. And while I have nice memories of it, it's of the real authentic Brooklyn; places like Bensonhurst and Bay Ruidge, not a 22 year old from Ohio who considers himself to be from BK because he drinks $6 PBR in Williamsburg.

I had friends that lived in LIC...nightlife in JC is far better, nevermind Hoboken.

NJ is full of self-loathers. Glad to see there are many in JC making their presence known. If you moved here thinking you were moving to Midtown Manhattan or Millburn, or that Brooklyn is a mix of the two, please move there and check it out. Get a year lease because you'll be back here in no time.

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This is actually why I specifically like JC and the kinds of people it attracts. It doesn't have to be Brooklyn to have it's own cool vibe going on. Moving to JC is probably a pragmatic decision for a lot of people which means these people are also mature enough, laid back enough, and unpretentious enough to move to the "wrong side of the Hudson".

I also think the fact that JC is a bit more affordable means that it's less vulnerable to the very upper middle class white person insanity that has become an issue in places like Park Slope. Here the SUV stroller set has to coexist with so many other demographics - it keeps the vibe varied. You also aren't going to see trust fund college kids "slumming it" in Jersey.

Basically I want JC to continue being perceived as "scary" or really hard to get to by the type of people who see NYC as a luxury playground/shopping mall, because it keeps it cheaper and interesting. People are talking about JC's lack of national reputation like that is a bad thing. Sleeper towns are usually the best balance of everything; once a place is having it's "moment" that's the death rattle.

I agree with you, on most of this. However, DT is getting way over-priced and some of the recent transplants are bringing their NYC MTA rudeness to their PATH train etiquette, which blows. I do recall a time when people actually waiting for those on the train to all exit before pushing their way in. And rents are getting out of control.

Agreed, IMO I don't think anywhere in JC is worth anything over 2k a month. Anything outside of NYC charging that much should be low in crime and clean.

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This is actually why I specifically like JC and the kinds of people it attracts. It doesn't have to be Brooklyn to have it's own cool vibe going on. Moving to JC is probably a pragmatic decision for a lot of people which means these people are also mature enough, laid back enough, and unpretentious enough to move to the "wrong side of the Hudson".

I also think the fact that JC is a bit more affordable means that it's less vulnerable to the very upper middle class white person insanity that has become an issue in places like Park Slope. Here the SUV stroller set has to coexist with so many other demographics - it keeps the vibe varied. You also aren't going to see trust fund college kids "slumming it" in Jersey.

Basically I want JC to continue being perceived as "scary" or really hard to get to by the type of people who see NYC as a luxury playground/shopping mall, because it keeps it cheaper and interesting. People are talking about JC's lack of national reputation like that is a bad thing. Sleeper towns are usually the best balance of everything; once a place is having it's "moment" that's the death rattle.

I agree with you, on most of this. However, DT is getting way over-priced and some of the recent transplants are bringing their NYC MTA rudeness to their PATH train etiquette, which blows. I do recall a time when people actually waiting for those on the train to all exit before pushing their way in. And rents are getting out of control.

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This is actually why I specifically like JC and the kinds of people it attracts. It doesn't have to be Brooklyn to have it's own cool vibe going on. Moving to JC is probably a pragmatic decision for a lot of people which means these people are also mature enough, laid back enough, and unpretentious enough to move to the "wrong side of the Hudson".

I also think the fact that JC is a bit more affordable means that it's less vulnerable to the very upper middle class white person insanity that has become an issue in places like Park Slope. Here the SUV stroller set has to coexist with so many other demographics - it keeps the vibe varied. You also aren't going to see trust fund college kids "slumming it" in Jersey.

Basically I want JC to continue being perceived as "scary" or really hard to get to by the type of people who see NYC as a luxury playground/shopping mall, because it keeps it cheaper and interesting. People are talking about JC's lack of national reputation like that is a bad thing. Sleeper towns are usually the best balance of everything; once a place is having it's "moment" that's the death rattle.

This is actually why I specifically like JC and the kinds of people it attracts. It doesn't have to be Brooklyn to have it's own cool vibe going on. Moving to JC is probably a pragmatic decision for a lot of people which means these people are also mature enough, laid back enough, and unpretentious enough to move to the "wrong side of the Hudson".

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I have worked in Manhattan for many years and most of my co workers have no idea where Jersey City is.
In fact, when I tell them I live in Jersey City, their first reaction is that if I am coming from Jersey, I must have a long commute. When I tell them that I can get to midtown in just twenty minutes they are amazed.

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Are you sure the LONGEST wait after 2am is 22 minutes? I have waited on the platform for a subway for well over 40 minutes before. One time, around 4am, I waited for over 60 minutes for a Bronx-bound 6 train.

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I'm surprised that people are saying that the MTA trains are more convenient late at night. Most lines run at similar intervals to the Path...every 25-30 minutes.

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Also, JC really doesn't lack nightlife. There are places as varied as the Beer Garden, Powerhouse, Pint, Lucky 7s, Barcade (better than the BK one) and much of downtown is walking distance to Hoboken.

Saying JC has nightlife is like saying your crazy uncle who is able to pull coins out of kids' ears is a magician. Come on. You bring any Manhattan or even Brooklyn person to JC and take them out, they will be disappointed. There is absolutely no club scene in downtown JC. The bars are a drag and mostly empty.

The powerhouse lounge is a middle aged real estate meeting on most nights.

Beer garden is dead by 1:00 on most non special event nights.

So if your idea of a nightlife is playing with sticky controls in a dank, crowded barcade when the machine actually works and accepts your quarters, then yes, JC has a nightlife.

I enjoy our disputes but for the first time, I have to agree with you. JC night life is pathetic and pretty lame. LOL @ the powerhouse.

The place near grove should not be turned into the 100th pizza place in downtown. It should be downtown's first actual club - how great would that be...

Back in the 90's DTJC was full of night life, but their is a new breed of folks DTJC and I actually do not think a club will sit well with them in their own backyard. Clubs attract folks from other wards, and we can't have that. Most think this is some sort of suburb.

I think clubs will work well over at 440. Maybe the city can make that the club district... :)

No dingy clubs. I'm talking about high class clubbing, the likes of the le bain or pacha. Good DJs, swanky establishments, good dance music, dress code, admission and cover, security, etc. JC offers unparalleled views of NYC and clubs can take advantage of that. This type of clubbing experience will be aimed towards the condo owners/renters in the luxury highrises.

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You are simply wrong. Bushwick, for instance, might be many more stops further out but the L train runs so much more frequently and so much faster, the travel time to 14th street is about the same and the commute to midtown is less.

MTA stations are much closer together than the PATH, which means for more people, the walking component is significantly less as well. Many more people live within a block of an MTA station than live within the same distance of the PATH.

Sunset Park and South Slope are definitely as close to Manhattan -- in terms of actual travel time -- than Jersey City. Of course you can find exceptions. If you work at the World Trade Center site and live at Grove Pointe, that might be a faster commute. Well, except after midnight.

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JC is actually much more on par with Brooklyn than most think in terms of nightlife.

We have a diverse bar scene with everything from old school Latin dives to Hipster hangouts and some very good restaurants.

Hoboken is right next door and is packed with bars and clubs. In terms of distance, its just as if it were another neighborhood of the same city. The same way someone from Park Slope or Carroll Gardens would go to Williamsburg for some action, we can go to Hoboken.

When it comes to a real club scene, only Manhattan has that. Not Brooklyn, Not Jersey, Not Queens or anywhere else for that matter. The City is where the action is, end of story. It has always been that way and no surrounding neighborhood or borough can compete. That's not ever going to change.

Brooklyn has some great neighborhoods, but at the end of the day you can't compare a borough of 2.5 million to a city of 250k. Some neighborhoods are similar, and others are vastly different.

Living in outer Brooklyn where commutes into the city can be over an hour cannot even remotely compare to JC where you have multiple train stops within 15 min of Tribeca, Soho, Greenwich Village, Meatpacking and Chelsea.

You must have just gotten to the metro area, I am from BK and Brooklyn and Queens has some happening clubs that put some of Manhattan clubs to shame. I don't club as much as I did 10 years ago but Hoboken was never a place I wanted to be caught dead in. I am not into the frat/boy vibe.

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Isn't the "club scene" a thing of the past? I feel like that form of socialization kind of ended in the 90s/early 2000s. Don't all the cool kids nowadays hang out at warehouse parties or rooftop parties? Haha. I just see a club (whether in Manhattan or anywhere else) as being a major cheesefest these days.

For the newcomers to JC, the Sand Bar (where Surf City is now) was definitely a club. Especially in its earlier years.

I work with 8 people who are in their 20's and trust me they are still clubbing Half of them use their sick days because of late night clubbing. We are just older. Yes, the Sand Bar was a successful club but most the DTJC newbies wanted it closed.

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Isn't the "club scene" a thing of the past? I feel like that form of socialization kind of ended in the 90s/early 2000s. Don't all the cool kids nowadays hang out at warehouse parties or rooftop parties? Haha. I just see a club (whether in Manhattan or anywhere else) as being a major cheesefest these days.

For the newcomers to JC, the Sand Bar (where Surf City is now) was definitely a club. Especially in its earlier years.

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JC is actually much more on par with Brooklyn than most think in terms of nightlife.

We have a diverse bar scene with everything from old school Latin dives to Hipster hangouts and some very good restaurants.

Hoboken is right next door and is packed with bars and clubs. In terms of distance, its just as if it were another neighborhood of the same city. The same way someone from Park Slope or Carroll Gardens would go to Williamsburg for some action, we can go to Hoboken.

When it comes to a real club scene, only Manhattan has that. Not Brooklyn, Not Jersey, Not Queens or anywhere else for that matter. The City is where the action is, end of story. It has always been that way and no surrounding neighborhood or borough can compete. That's not ever going to change.

Brooklyn has some great neighborhoods, but at the end of the day you can't compare a borough of 2.5 million to a city of 250k. Some neighborhoods are similar, and others are vastly different.

Living in outer Brooklyn where commutes into the city can be over an hour cannot even remotely compare to JC where you have multiple train stops within 15 min of Tribeca, Soho, Greenwich Village, Meatpacking and Chelsea.