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Good post, chiefdahill.
But I still like H-Mart over all that Trader Joe's and Whole Foods BS.
Posted on: 2012/5/24 22:49
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You guys need to lay off tommyc. He's always promoting JC and wants nothing but good for JC.
Couple points I want to make. I spent 5 years living in western NY about an hour or so away from Rochester. Rochester is "the city" up there etc.. My wife is from Western NY and a great deal of college friends are from and still live in Rochester. I'm in Rochester at least once and year and in western NY multiple times a year. I like Rochester but it's not a cultural wonderland by far. Rochester is a dying city. It loses population every year. Kodak and Xerox were the main employers and both companies are dying. Rochester has a bunch of colleges that help support the economy. Jobs outside the universities, kodak and xerox are far and few between. Rochester is fvcking COLD and it snows all the time and you really have to drive everywhere. Public transit is a joke. The cost of living is very cheap in Rochester but so are the salaries. Young ambitious people leave to get better paying jobs in NYC, Chicago, down south etc.. There is a reason why houses cost 100k in Rochester, salaries are 30k for good jobs with a lot of people making minimum wage or working seasonal jobs collecting unemployment for half the year. Yes, JC has a lot of residents below the poverty level but it's not because of location or access to jobs. That's another conversation for another thread. The nicer parts of Rochester are actually in the suburbs and outside the city limits. Pittsford, Irondequoit, Webster so the comparison of city to city above is not exactly fair. It's kinda like LA, everyone says they are from LA but very few live within the city limits. If you tried to pull the same thing here people would be all over you. NY/NJ is very provincial with @ssholes from Manhattan believing they are at the top of the food chain. Face facts JC is tied to NYC and forever will be. Part of JC's appeal is that it's so close to NYC. I know we want to be independent and say that we don't need NYC etc etc.. but we really do. JC would not exist the way it does today without NYC. That's neither a good thing or a bad thing it's just the facts. We don't need to compete with NYC and we should stop trying to. I live in JC because I work in NYC. I like being 10 mins from NYC but also like the quiet neighborhood feeling that JC provides. I like not paying NYS/NYC income tax. I like being on this side of the Holland Tunnel when I want to go to the beach. I have family in NYC, Westchester, LI, and Jersey and like being able to get to everyone. Better comparison would be JC to Brooklyn which has been done before. For years Manhattanites sh!t on Brooklyn until Brooklyn stopped trying to compete and did their own thing. Brooklyn's housing is now expensive and people are fleeing to JC for cheaper rents. We should take a cue. We are just about 10 years behind Brooklyn and fighting the old JC guard that used this city as their own personal ATM machine. It sucks that Trader Joe's going to JC is just a rumor but that could change in the future. I think we would be better served by a Fairway or Wegman's anyway and should try to attract those companies. For the time being you have Whole Foods in Tribeca that will deliver to JC or Freshdirect. Mortan Williams or my go to A&P. JC vs. Rochester-------- JC wins all day long That's just how I see it.
Posted on: 2012/5/24 20:48
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I would love to see more music at Loew's. Yo La Tengo, Beck, a few other bands, not to mention some musical theater groups have played there, but it is the exception, not the rule. The bands usually sell out. It would be great to have more. And for me, it doesn't have to be world class, even just some local bands would be fine. Just a start, just get it going.
This is their mission statement: http://www.loewsjersey.org/alt/index. ... w=article&id=22&Itemid=45 But all they have on their schedule is movies. I love movies, but they could do so much more. BAM is a whole other league. I was there just a couple weeks ago, packed, $70 a ticket.
Posted on: 2012/5/24 17:40
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I'm with you that our "nonstudio" arts suck. But realistically, a more isolated small city can depend on the support of patrons from it's suburbs. We're nothing but cityscape passing the car or train window for those types, on their way to Manhattan. But it's not insurmountable, look at BAM. I still don't understand why the Loews isn't attractive to world class bands.
Posted on: 2012/5/24 17:34
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Another negative comment by "MR. Johonson". Thanks pal. Keep them coming. everyone loves reading you. I know I hang on every word.
Posted on: 2012/5/24 17:16
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I don't think anyone is saying JC residents don't have access to culture. But the comparison was city to city, not city to surrounding area. Sure, we can hop on a train to the Met, or MoMA, or Carnegie Hall, but in that case we can just hop on a train to Trader Joe's so the thread should be over by that logic. Plus, it still is a pretty long commute for some. Within city limits, Rochester still kicks JC's ass culturally just about every day of the week, except for maybe global cuisine. Support of the arts in this city has been pathetic. Other municipalities of similar size seem to be able to develop and support culture, not just patronize it for votes.
Posted on: 2012/5/24 16:07
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Umm, to not have to carry 50lbs of groceries & alcohol from TJ's on the PATH? We drive in based on a certain cost/time calculation. We'll even sometimes drive to go to a Broadway show. It would cost 4 fares anyway, going IN at 6:30 is pretty easy, we know where to park for free, and we'll be home to relieve the babysitter in 15 minutes rather than an hour.
Posted on: 2012/5/24 15:59
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Well, let it be known that I am one of the biggest proponents for getting more of all of the above in JC on this side of the Hudson (including amenties, awesome grocery stores, music venues, theaters, etc). But anybody who thinks a resident of Rochester, NY has better access to more culture than a resident of JC does is living on a completely different planet.
Brewster - why would you, or anyone, drive to Manhattan from JC?
Posted on: 2012/5/24 15:48
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That may be fine for you, if you are just a consumer (and can deal with the long commute). But what if you want to be more a participant? Let's talk about music. What if you are in a band that wants to play out? What if you want to meet local musicians to partner with? What if you want to get local institutions to partner with your schools as part of a program of appreciation and development of talent? Having to cross the river to get any of that is a barrier, and once you are there, you are competing against the local residents. God bless the child that's got his own.
Posted on: 2012/5/24 15:39
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It all depends on what you're talking about. While I'm happy to take the short trip to Manhattan to see some of the best theater and other cultural attractions in the world, I'm not going to do it just to shlep groceries home from Trader Joes. Especially at the current price for the tunnel toll. One wonders if all TJ's sees is the "crow flies" distance we are from the Manhattan stores, and have no idea of the actual cost of travel there.
Posted on: 2012/5/24 15:28
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Well, my use of the word "market" implied that I was referring to the fact that the entire NYC area has access to the best of this that and the other. Not just JC. But ... we don't live in an inpenetrable bubble. Where you live is evaluated also by what you live NEAR. Am I inaccurate with that statement?
Posted on: 2012/5/24 15:18
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Um... except for people who live in NYC??? Doesn't say much for a city when "we are right next to a real city" is the best thing you can say for it. At some point, you need to have a few things of your own and be able to stand more on your own two feet otherwise you are just a suburb.
Posted on: 2012/5/24 13:30
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I don't know what part of NYC is five minutes away from JC. Whether you walk to the PATH or drive in, NYC destinations add at least an hour to whatever you are doing, round trip. Besides, your attitude is consigning JC to being basically a bedroom community. Why have music, museums, restaurants, etc., when they're all in Manhattan? Why even worry about jobs? Or schools? It's all a train ride away! Compare JC to Newark. Newark is only slightly bigger, and yet is has a fantastic museum, a performing arts center, and sports teams. (Sure, the Newark Bears are sort of a joke, the Nets just left, and the Red Bulls actually are in Harrison, but at least there is an effort.) Even though we lost our museum, JC still has a pretty good visual arts community, but it was something that was built over many years. It would be good if more could be done for the performing arts. Do we even have any decent performing arts spaces? The Loews? NJCU?
Posted on: 2012/5/24 13:19
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This was a comparison solely between the cities of Rochester, NY and Jersey City, NJ. Not Rochester, NY and New York, NY. New York, NY has everything you need, and it's great that we have easy access to New York City, but when comparing the two cities themselves...Jersey City loses. If we keep acting like we are somehow a part of New York City this town will always live in it's shadow.
Posted on: 2012/5/24 13:14
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Exactly, part of the set of benefits of where a person lives is what they have access to ... and not just WITHIN the limits of the town or city they live in. For somebody who lives in downtown JC, they have very easy access to more art, music, and anything else than probably any other market in the US.
Posted on: 2012/5/24 13:05
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You could fit JC in Rochester. And it would be called the bad side of town.
Posted on: 2012/5/24 12:33
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and i bet you can buy a 6-pack of beer after 10pm. oh jc, you still have a ways to go. 
Posted on: 2012/5/24 12:28
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JC doesn't need a music scene when one of the greatest music scenes in the world is 5 minutes away. As are the museums. The fact that they're not located here doesn't really mean anything. Easy access to NYC is one of the benefits of JC.
Posted on: 2012/5/24 12:28
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Rochester has a good music scene (Eastman School of Music, jazz, and blues festivals). It has some good museums. In these respects, it kicks JC's ass.
It has great parks. It has a lot of good restaurants. It has colleges and universities. It is a little quaint--it is has more of a midwestern culture than an east coast culture--but, if you have a job, it is a great place to live and raise a family.
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Yeah pretty much what I've heard. I have heard it's a smaller version of Buffalo (I've been to Buffalo), in the middle of nowhere.
Posted on: 2012/5/24 10:36
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Re: Rochester, I spent half my life in that area and I can tell you it's a dump. Like any city there are good parts and bad parts, but Roch has nothing on the downtown area of JC. You couldn't pay me enough to go back there.
Posted on: 2012/5/24 9:21
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I'll go to Dinosaur BBQ if I have a chance, but since I am there on a corporate dime, I'll probably wind up at Tournedos steakhouse. ;) Back on topic - I have no idea why TJ will not open in JC. Nor do I care, really, ever since I discovered H-Mart in Fort Lee, which thankfully and conveniently is on my way from work. Too bad JC doesn't seem to have enough Asian population for H-Mart to consider it for a new store.
Posted on: 2012/5/24 8:59
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Stillinjc, I'm not sure where you're staying in Rochester, but check out Dinosaur BBQ while you're there. Quote:
Tommy, I'm surprised I'm the first person who you've heard say something positive about Rochester. I guess you don't know too many people who have actually spent some time there (yourself included). If there's any confusion, I have wanted TJ's to come here for a long time. I've visited their website and emailed them several times begging them to set up shop in Jersey City, and I recommend you do the same (although I've really become cynical about the whole thing). If everyone else who wants Trader Joe's here emailed them, MAYBE it would get some of their attention. http://www.traderjoes.com/about/location-requests-form.asp
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Seagull's comments are the first positive comments I've ever heard about Rochester.
Count me into the group that's confused by why TJ's doesn't come here. I think they would do so well if placed in a walkable area.
Posted on: 2012/5/24 7:58
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I am actually going to Rochester next week on business. Never been there before, but looking forward to it. Since this thread is going nowhere anyway, I thought I'd ask an off-topic question - any recommendations regarding restaurants there? Steak or seafood.
Posted on: 2012/5/24 7:36
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Kodak is gone, but I'll tell you something. Rochester, and the people of that city have survived and continue to thrive. Like I mentioned before, the quality of life there is much higher than it is in JC. -Restaurants and food markets that would make any JC resident jealous -Secondary schools that are well-placed in the various national rankings -Vibrant cultural scene, particularly music with their annual jazz fest every year (I know, Groove on Grove is great and all lol) -Dozens of colleges and universities in the area -Great weather in the summer and a real winter which the municipalities are well-prepared to handle -Very short commuting times and very inexpensive cost of living (15% below the national average) I commend you for sticking up for JC, but like I said before, it doesn't even touch Rochester, NY and that's a fact. Oh, and before you pull the whole race card and blame racism for all of life's problems, I just want to point out that according to the 2010 Census, the city's population was 43.7% White, 41.7% Black in Rochester. That's a 2% difference compared to Jersey City's 6.82% difference with a 32.67% (80,885) White, 25.85% (64,002) Black population. I guess that theory doesn't pan out now does it?
Posted on: 2012/5/24 0:46
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I didn't say it wasn't a nice place, I said it was economically hurting, Kodak is gone, baby, gone. One reason it's nice is the century of generous Kodak largess on the town. They just don't have the hundreds of thousands of commuters, from bond traders to janitors, sucking on the NYC tit and bringing it back home to spend.
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Have you ever been to Rochester? It's head and shoulders above this city, and it kicks this city's ass all over the place. I can't say the weather in Rochester is better, but Jersey City is a shithole compared to Rochester, plain and simple. The quality of life even with the shitty weather is WAY better than it is here. People "ooooo" and "ahhh" over a freaking Key Foods here. It's pathetic. You really need to wonder why Trader Joe's or Whole Foods never invested here?
Posted on: 2012/5/23 23:34
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Focus their store map at the DC- Baltimore area, and tell me what it says to you. Look at any area elsewhere that you're familiar with the demographics. http://www.traderjoes.com/stores/index.asp In our area there's a 20 mile diameter hole in the map from Bayonne to Paterson that there's apparently no plan to fill. Minorities may love TJ's but it doesn't look like the feeling is mutual. If I were a retailer of non-luxury grocery goods I'd look for the highest density areas I could find, the more customers within a short drive the higher the sales. Then why put a store out in Florham Park instead of in JC, the 2nd densest city in the US? That's in Morris County, with 4/5 the population of Hudson and 8 times the size. What MBA would make this decision?
Posted on: 2012/5/23 23:32
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SHUT UP and GET REAL!!! Don't you suppose all the criminal activity makes JC look like a bad investment to upscale retailers?? TJs is not upscale. Quote: They've got stores in working class white areas but not minority. I am not sure how accurate that above statement is but Tjs has a very strong following among minorities. My brother's friend introduced me to TJs....while attending Med School....TJs was one of the few places where he could find decent, affordable food while living on a shoe string budget.
Posted on: 2012/5/23 22:59
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