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Honestly, I have NO problem with higher PATH fares as well as subways fares, especially given Sandy.
I doubt there is anyone reading this who says to their boss " Oh, no, please don't raise my salary! I'm paid too much"
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I learned something today that makes me wonder if PATH fares will be raised again (beyond the already announced increases).
Apparently, the WTC site took a lot more damage than the PA has let on. The flooding destroyed two years worth of work including some very expensive fuel cells, switchgear, and a lot of other equipment. The PA has been moving the equipment out at night to a hanger at JFK to see what can be repaired and salvaged. Gawd only knows what the $$$ will be to cover the damage.
Posted on: 12/6 20:06
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I understand the court sided with the PA, anyone have any updates on whether the AAA plans to appeal or what the next step may be?
Posted on: 12/6 13:23
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The farce of how they went implementing these tolls and increases...is the reason i will not vote for Chris Christie like last time.
Posted on: 12/3 17:11
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The sad thing is that it will most likely end up costing more than 25.1 billion...
Posted on: 12/3 13:28
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"I don't go to Manhattan because it's (the tolls) so expensive," Kleman said. "I would rather take the PATH." Excellent, that is exactly what should be happening. Robin.
Posted on: 12/3 13:09
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Drivers blast Port Authority's Hudson River toll hikes
By Charles Hack/The Jersey Journal December 03, 2012 at 12:07 PM Toll hikes went into effect today at all of the Port Authority's Hudson River crossings, and drivers heading into --and in some cases avoiding -- the Holland Tunnel yesterday afternoon from Jersey City were not happy. "I think it sucks," said taxi driver Edward Melnikov while he was gassing up at a station just outside the tunnel. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey increased cash tolls for the Holland and Lincoln tunnels, as well as the Bayonne Bridge, from $12 to $13 yesterday. Drivers using E-ZPass will have to fork over $10.25 during peak commuting hours -- that's up from $9.50 -- and $8.25 during off-peak hours, up from $7.50. Cash tolls increased at the same crossings in September 2011 from $8 to $12, and from $8 to $9.50 during peak hours for E-ZPass users. By December 2015 cash tolls are slated to increase to $15, while peak-hour tolls for E-ZPass users are to rise to $12.50. Jersey City residents Malene Kleman, 25, and Michael Stentebjerg, 28, were filling up at a gas station near the Holland Tunnel yesterday but had no intention of driving into Manhattan, because according to Stentebjerg, tolls are already "too damn high." "I don't go to Manhattan because it's (the tolls) so expensive," Kleman said. "I would rather take the PATH." The controversial increases were approved last year by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, with the bistate agency saying it needs the revenue to fund a 10-year, $25.1 billion capital-improvements plan. "The whole thing is ludicrous because it's all going to the World Trade Center," New Jersey based-limousine driver, Jeroy Klunek, 72, said yesterday. "It gives us nothing ...They keep raising the costs, raising the costs and raising the costs." A lawsuit filed against the Port Authority by AAA claims the new revenue is instead intended for real estate development at the new World Trade Center site, not transportation-related expenses as the Port Authority claims. http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... horitys.html#incart_river
Posted on: 12/3 12:16
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http://www.panynj.gov/path/fares-new.html
Effective 3:00 am Monday morning single ride PATH fares rise 25 cents to $2.25.
Posted on: 2012/9/28 6:39
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PATH fare hikes take effect Monday
Thursday, September 27, 2012, 3:55 PM By Ana Ferrer/The Jersey Journal PATH train riders be advised, the price of a one-way ride is going up 25 cents Monday to $2.25. The change takes effect at 3 a.m. Monday. "I need to find a new job," joked Nisa Ahmed, a worker at Hudson County Community College, who currently spends $13.50 a day between her PATH and NJ Transit train rides, commuting from Rahway. Ahmed, like others The Jersey Journal spoke to, didn't realize the fare hike was imminent. This latest fare increase comes as part of a plan to raise the tolls and fares until 2015 when a one-way PATH fare will be $2.75. Todd Fulford, of Manhattan, who uses the PATH train frequently during the week, said the 25 cents increase was well worth the service. "It is what it is. It's clean and fast, and gets me from my office in the city to my warehouse in Jersey City," he said. In Hudson County, there are PATH train stops in Jersey City, Hoboken, and Harrison. The new fares are being raised across the board, including the multi-day passes. For example, a seven-day Smart Link pass will be raised $3 from $21 to $24. The 30-day Smart Link pass will be $73, up $8 from $65. For more information about the fare hikes, visit the Port Authority website, wwwpanynj.gov http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... _go_into_effect_on_m.html
Posted on: 2012/9/27 22:09
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+1 BTW, love the giant penis imagery. 
Posted on: 2012/5/1 13:46
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I am sure many would disagree but I really wish they had turned it into a memorial/museum and a public park....instead of building two new towers. People luv to proclaim it as hallowed and sacred ground.....but to me it just doesn't seem it's all that if you are rebuilding for the sake of business and capitalism. To the Silversteins and other vested interests it's about the all mighty dollar.
I thought we were better than that as a country.
Posted on: 2012/5/1 11:59
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I was paraphrasing! It saddens me that people mistake wasting tens of billions on a useless symbol for greatness, when the true future of our country, it's children and infrastructure, are being shortchanged by acts like cancelling the ARC, slashing school funding and doubling student loan rates.
Posted on: 2012/5/1 11:33
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So where's my quote ? My only complaint was that they did not build another Twin Towers. I am happy to show American might with this new Freedom Tower. As far as your name for it the Big Rich in the sky is obscene and insulting towards the new tower.
Posted on: 2012/5/1 4:11
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Brewster... eloquent as usual.
Posted on: 2012/5/1 1:18
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Heights say quit your bitching, enjoy the view of the big dick in the sky you're paying for, and be proud you're an American (if you happen to be, that is)
Posted on: 2012/4/30 23:00
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is the PATH really going up to 2.75, because that would be obscene. that's more than MTA which is a far more extensive network, plus the PATH doesn't link up with anything so you always have to do double-fare, whether it's path-to-mta, path-to-lightrail, path-to-bus. the path is convenient for shuttling people across the hudson but it's not much more than that.
Posted on: 2012/4/30 21:39
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Yes, I know, I recently finished the PA history "Empire on the Hudson". Nice how loose that is. Made it easy to grab whatever they thought could be profitable. They were the original vampire squid. The PA by being a quasi-govt agency demanded monopolies, It's like one of those trees that poisons the ground around it, making it impossible for anything else to grow. They were formed to create trans Hudson freight rail, never did it, but prevented anyone else from doing it. A NY mayor (O'dwyer I think) tried to build one under the Verrazano and the PA stopped them. This turned out to be a big component in the death of the Brooklyn dockyards.
Posted on: 2012/4/30 16:18
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Actually, the Port Authority's stated mission includes economic development within a radius of 25 miles of the Statue of Liberty, which includes things like land development as well transportation projects. The World Trade Center might be one of their largest and most visible projects, but they reinvest as far south as New Brunswick.
Posted on: 2012/4/30 16:00
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Even if you accept the reality of those benefits (I think they're fiction), since they overwhelmingly benefit NYC rather than NJ, there's no reason that NJ must pay for for it. NY & NYC has little skin in this game. But I think those numbers are hooey, no one will come to NY solely to view the memorial, just as no one comes solely to see the Intrepid. It's just another "attraction", albeit a morbid one. And while the case for higher tolls can be made, that doesn't justify the PATH hike. Nor is the case compelling that this ridiculous tower is a better way to spend those funds rather than, say, the late lamented ARC tunnel. The PA simply has no business in the commercial real estate game, and never did. The only reason for the WTC to begin with was they needed to invest their enormous cashflow in the early 60's or lose control of it.
Posted on: 2012/4/30 15:46
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well, we've got that $20 million tombstone in LSP. in for a penny, in for a pound.
Posted on: 2012/4/30 15:45
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Really, you're all behind a $15 Billion tombstone?
Posted on: 2012/4/30 14:43
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The original World Trade Center took two and a half decades before it became breaking even on rent. But it was part of an iconic skyline that helped drive tourism in lower Manhattan; it was a driving force in other private development in lower Manhattan; it served as a broadcast tower for television and radio; it eventually did start generating profits.
Large scale capital investments like the World Trade Center redevelopment are not going to return dividends overnight. But with this development a great number of good things will happen. Lower Manhattan's transit will be better connected than ever before, linking Fulton Street, Courtland Street, Chambers Street, PATH and the World Financial center underground. The 9/11 memorial museum is projected to bring 4,000,000 million tourists to the city in the first year alone. The first tower will hold tens of thousands of jobs, all easily accessible by the PATH. Certainly some mistakes have been made. Its over budget, in part to keep it on schedule. Its screwed up the weekend PATH schedules, which has a lot to do with poor management. But to condemn the project overall is inaccurate. Besides that, increasing tolls into Manhattan is simply good public policy. It reduces traffic congestion while generating revenue for projects like the ARC tunnel and PATH capital programs. If you're really upset, be angry with Christie first for canceling the tunnel, then lying about the reasons. Manhattan will have congestion pricing sooner or later, and the bridge and tunnel tolls have long been part of that scheme. A little over a century ago the first subways were dug; now we couldn't imagine a major metropolitan city anywhere in the world without them. As cities become denser, congestion tolls in some form will become ever more pervasive.
Posted on: 2012/4/30 14:42
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Then consider it your contribution to the memory of the 9-11 tragedy. I wish they could have made Twin Towers again.
Posted on: 2012/4/30 14:34
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Big loving article in NYTimes about 1 WTC
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/30/nyr ... html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper Nowhere does it say the damn thing will never make a dime, that it's just a giant penis waving in the sky, not unlike the Apollo rockets but without the technology byproducts. There should be a neon sign on it that says "brought to you by the commuters of NJ".
Posted on: 2012/4/30 12:56
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Sneaky...
PANYNJ quietly expanded the time that they charge cash prices to EZPass customers. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011 ... _shrink_d.html#incart_hbx
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AAA to feds: Stop NY-NJ bridge, tunnel toll hike
Friday, September 16, 2011 NEW YORK -- The AAA motorists' group is asking the U.S. Department of Transportation to block this weekend's toll increase of as much as 50 percent on bridges and tunnels owned by the Port Authority. The AAA says the increase violates a federal law that requires that tolls be reasonable. Cash tolls on the George Washington Bridge, Holland Tunnel, Lincoln Tunnel, Goethals Bridge, Bayonne Bridge and Outerbridge Crossing are scheduled to rise from $8 to $12 at 3 a.m. on Sunday. By December 2015 cash tolls would increase gradually to $15 under a plan approved Aug. 19 by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Peak-hour tolls for E-ZPass users would rise gradually to $12.50. Peak-hour tolls for users of the E-ZPass electronic payment system will go from $8 to $9.50. In addition to the bridge toll increases, the fare on the Port Authority Trans-Hudson subway line will rise from $1.75 to $2 on Sunday. By 2015 it is scheduled to increase to $2.75. The AAA says the increases are unreasonable because much of the money will go toward building the new World Trade Center. It says that project has nothing to do with the Port Authority's original transportation mission. "One of our primary missions is to make sure that any tolls and revenue and any user fees go back into transportation," said Marta Genovese, vice president of legal affairs for AAA. "But in this case it's going into a speculative office development." The group said the increase violates a federal law that requires bridge tolls to be "just and reasonable," and it sent a letter to Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood asking him to act. "It's an egregious example of the motorists getting ripped off," AAA New York spokesman Robert Sinclair said. The AAA claims the increases violate a 1987 U.S. law regulating bridge tolls. The law applies to bridges that carry interstate commerce over "any of the navigable waters of the United States." The Department of Transportation said LaHood would respond directly to the AAA. It gave no immediate comment. The Associated Press left a message for a port authority representative. Its board members have said the fare increases will pay for construction that is fueling the region's economy. It also says it needs more money to replace the cables on the George Washington Bridge, rehabilitate the corkscrew-shaped ramp into the Lincoln Tunnel and take on other maintenance projects. The authority receives no tax money and supports itself through tolls, fares, fees and rent paid by businesses at its ports, airports and other properties. The AAA said it may also sue the authority to try to block the increase. Genovese said the group has not asked a court for a temporary restraining order because it is still trying to obtain a revised capital spending plan from the agency. http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?sec ... ources/traffic&id=8355716
Posted on: 2011/9/16 11:14
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I'm not a fan of the increases, but that is more because I don't like the existence of the PATH monopoly than anything else.
What I will say is that the PATH train fares NJ to NY, stack up pretty well against comparable private sector fares on NY Waterway. In 10 years NY Waterway have increased their fares from around $1 to over $5. PATH have probably made a similar increase on their bridges and tunnels, but they have held their mass transit charges much lower. That's good imo.
Posted on: 2011/9/14 6:03
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No, with the PATH SmartLink, you buy trips, not fares. If you are using a pay per ride metrocard, you will see the increase immediately. You can actually purchase packs of trips at the current rate and save them. I believe you can purchase up to two sets of each "product." A product refers to 40 trips, 20 trips or 10 trips. If you can afford to, refill your card now.
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Hey,
So next week, the PATH fare is increasing from $1.30 per ride to $1.50 per ride when purchasing 10 or more rides. I still have a bunch of rides on my SmartLink. When the fare hike goes into effect, will $1.30 or $1.50 be deducted off my card each time I pass through a turnstile? The reason I ask is because the PATH currently deducts a ride each time I swipe my card, while the MTA deducts the fare amount (which can be quite annoying if there's an uneven balance). Thanks for your help.
Posted on: 2011/9/13 21:18
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Many of the current problems with regional transit funding can be traced back to Sheldon Silver, the New York legislator who killed the congestion pricing planned for Manhattan. Had the system been installed -- paid for almost entirely with federal dollars -- the true cost of driving into Manhattan would finally have been reconciled with what drivers actually pay. More importantly, congestion pricing would have bolstered the MTA capital budget while also removing control of the cost of driving into the city from the Port Authority.
The problem with the toll collection system right now is the Port Authority's interest in raising tolls is abated by their suburban constituencies; they need money, but suburban voters will complain to their respective governors. Had congestion pricing passed, been installed, and the authority given to the city of New York, the governors of the states could saber rattle all they without consequence. With congestion pricing, there would be more pressure on New Jersey to improve rail access to the city, more money available to invest in infrastructure, and less of a burden on the Port Authority to divy of funding for projects like the ARC tunnel. 7 Train extension to Secaucus? No problem when the MTA could have been raking in millions from congestion pricing. That said, once the ARC tunnel was cancelled, the $3 billion pledged by the Port Authority to the project should have been freed up and spent on their other projects. On the other hand, had ARC moved forward, the Port Authority's PATH trains would be under less pressure once the tunnel opened -- many of the trains terminating in Hoboken (and thus filling the PATH with passengers) would be diverted directly to Penn Station. The bottom line is, as a state, a region and a nation we need to be investing more in mass transit. Driving costs money and the true cost has been artificially subsidized by taxpayers for years.
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