Sutherland wrote:
+1,

When you're young(ish) and single, whether you're gay or straight NYC is the place to be. There is much more potential dating and or hook up opportunity in NYC than in JC. Also many young professionals work late into the night and often on weekends. It's important to them at least to be able to quickly get home to sleep or to their favorite bar or nightclub. The time to commute home on the PATH for new associates in large law firms and banks takes up a big chunk of their free time. NYC is a total destination city. People grow up aspiring to one day live in the big bad apple. You can't take his comment too personally.

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stillinjc wrote:
I would cut Mr Rosati a break for the following reasons:

1. He has a decent artwork on his walls
2. NYC is incomparably better than JC or Hoboken when it comes to restaurants and nightlife. I mean, come on. When you are 25, and you can afford the rent, NYC (Manhattan) is a no-brainer choice when it comes restaurants and nightlife.
3. I would not dis the guy just because he came to NYC from Iowa or upstate, or whatever. The bright lights of the city attract the ambitious, and that is good.

stillinjc wrote:
I would cut Mr Rosati a break for the following reasons:

1. He has a decent artwork on his walls
2. NYC is incomparably better than JC or Hoboken when it comes to restaurants and nightlife. I mean, come on. When you are 25, and you can afford the rent, NYC (Manhattan) is a no-brainer choice when it comes restaurants and nightlife.
3. I would not dis the guy just because he came to NYC from Iowa or upstate, or whatever. The bright lights of the city attract the ambitious, and that is good.

ianmac47 wrote:
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stillinjc wrote:
^^

That (kind of) sums it up. Kind of, because one may have the money to blow on that kind of rent, yet choose to save it for the rainy day (or investment), and put up with PATH in the meantime. But if you are 25, like Mr Rosati, it is not necessarily obvious to you...

:)

PS - ianmac - I am not suggesting that you are 25, just a manner of speaking...

I don't think is necessarily a product of age as much as philosophy and attitude.

Some people have a lot of money and might, despite everything, end up driving a Honda Civic and others might end up buying a Bugatti Veyron. Its probably not because some is 25 or 55, its probably just what someone values. But if someone wants a Bugatti and can afford to buy the Bugatti, even if the Honda Civic gets better gas mileage and has lower maintenance costs, why would someone who wants the Bugatti get the Civic?

Yes, in this analogy Jersey City is the lower cost car, but its sensible and well built, while Manhattan is the shiny luxury car, that is overpriced and impractical.

stillinjc wrote:
^^

That (kind of) sums it up. Kind of, because one may have the money to blow on that kind of rent, yet choose to save it for the rainy day (or investment), and put up with PATH in the meantime. But if you are 25, like Mr Rosati, it is not necessarily obvious to you...

:)

PS - ianmac - I am not suggesting that you are 25, just a manner of speaking...

Bill463 wrote:
C'mon guys, we were all young & immature at one point. He's 25, probably grew up in some mid-western boring hell hole where a night out on the town consisted of a stop at the Walmart and now he's in fabulous N.Y.C.! Does he sound very silly & pretentious? Of course he does! Does he ruffle this native NYC/NJ boy's feathers? Nah. If he and his buddies can pay $5400 per month good for them. He's living his 'dream' right now, working hard, out on Saturday nights wearing his tight designer jeans and his best Banana Republican untucked dress shirt picking up the ladies. Give the youngin' a break! He has arrived - he be livin' in da big city. Let him have his excitement and try not to be too harsh. He has no idea how good it is here in the JC.

whiteboy19 wrote:
I have a two bedroom and pay 12oo a month,I rent one bedroom for 500 a month ,I live with my wife in the other bedroom and living room.we pay 700 balance.I work sometimes and so does my wife,I have no kids no internet on my cellphone,no cable TV.I cook my own food,my hobbies are photography,and woodworking,I do not subscribe to empty materialism,I have little stress in my life.I feel good about my life

Bill463 wrote:
?I did not move to New York City to live in Hoboken or Jersey City,? Mr. Rosati declared."

C'mon guys, we were all young & immature at one point. He's 25, probably grew up in some mid-western boring hell hole where a night out on the town consisted of a stop at the Walmart and now he's in fabulous N.Y.C.! Does he sound very silly & pretentious? Of course he does! Does he ruffle this native NYC/NJ boy's feathers? Nah. If he and his buddies can pay $5400 per month good for them. He's living his 'dream' right now, working hard, out on Saturday nights wearing his tight designer jeans and his best Banana Republican untucked dress shirt picking up the ladies. Give the youngin' a break! He has arrived - he be livin' in da big city. Let him have his excitement and try not to be too harsh. He has no idea how good it is here in the JC.

ianmac47 wrote:
In some sense, Rosati is right. People don't emigrate from the midwest intending to live in Jersey City, or really for that matter Brooklyn or Queens or the Bronx. The flyovers' idea of New York City though is informed by Friends and Sex and the City and maybe for the slightly younger set, Felicity. Not everyone though can show up here and spend $5,000 on rent.

Or as Gothamist pointed out, the NYTimes basically didn't bother finding any real New Yorker's for their article, proving once again the paper is out of touch with mainstream middle class. Its a rich man's paper written by other rich people.

For the more average middle class person, Jersey City is a far better alternative to a lot of places, especially once you start climbing above the 120s in Manhattan.

That said, however, while there have been many positive changes over the last several years, there have been an equally high number of negative changes. For one, the PATH eliminated Saturday and Sunday weekday service levels. For the newbies here, that was 7am to 7pm, 4 line service with JSQ access directly to 33rd, WTC access directly to Hoboken, ect. PATH also increased the intervals of late night service to the astoundingly stupid 35 minute schedule, weekend WTC service to 20 minutes. Furthermore, the new developments have not necessarily brought better people, just people with more money. And while some of the new services and shops and restaurants are a positive change, there have also been things like The Powerhouse Lounge. There has been an increase in pandering to first, the dog owning set, and now to the stroller set, which is fine for the people who belong in those categories, but not very interesting for everyone else.

Bill463 wrote:
?I did not move to New York City to live in Hoboken or Jersey City,? Mr. Rosati declared."

C'mon guys, we were all young & immature at one point. He's 25, probably grew up in some mid-western boring hell hole where a night out on the town consisted of a stop at the Walmart and now he's in fabulous N.Y.C.! Does he sound very silly & pretentious? Of course he does! Does he ruffle this native NYC/NJ boy's feathers? Nah. If he and his buddies can pay $5400 per month good for them. He's living his 'dream' right now, working hard, out on Saturday nights wearing his tight designer jeans and his best Banana Republican untucked dress shirt picking up the ladies. Give the youngin' a break! He has arrived - he be livin' in da big city. Let him have his excitement and try not to be too harsh. He has no idea how good it is here in the JC.