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a 30 story version maybe!

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SammytheT: At the planning board meetings back in 2007, Toll Bros stated that they would preserve the facade of the A&P warehouse on the Provost Street side...I guess that wasn't part of the final plan though.

In any case, I hope the tower design has changed. The design shown on the SLCE website is about unimaginative as a design can get. Why don't they just stack a bunch of shipping containers and paint the whole thing brown if they're just making a big rectangular building?


If this is the one I just saw - they were trying to repeat the pattern of the warehouse next door, no?

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I'd much rather my neighborhood look like a "rat's hole" than have it crawling with people and cars. One of the many reasons I like my neighborhood is because it is quiet and peaceful. Neighbors look out for one another. It's a good little community. This is just another travesty to add to JC's list of shame.


This is a city. If you want peace, quiet, and fewer people, buy a farm.


Or, buy that neighborhood - and keep it as a "rat's hole" if that is your pleasure.

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bpc-ish. Not bad imo

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SammytheT: At the planning board meetings back in 2007, Toll Bros stated that they would preserve the facade of the A&P warehouse on the Provost Street side...I guess that wasn't part of the final plan though.

In any case, I hope the tower design has changed. The design shown on the SLCE website is about unimaginative as a design can get. Why don't they just stack a bunch of shipping containers and paint the whole thing brown if they're just making a big rectangular building?

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Goldman Sachs: the second office tower - 50 Hudson Street - 30-story, 918,956 square feet.

The 42-story 30 Hudson Street is the tallest building in New Jersey at 781 feet.

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great. let them build it before the next downturn.

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The whole side of the Manischewitz factory on the Morgan St. side was demolished today. These guys are making quick work of this place.

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How many stories is 500 ft? Just trying to imagine how it will relate to the buildings in the area. It sounds big, but I really have no idea.

A story is roughly 10 feet.

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There will ba a theater in the Toll Brothers City Living project as required in the Site Plan approval.

After 9/11, the Goldman Sachs plans changed for security reasons. The tower at 50 Hudson will be 500 feet tall instead of just 15 stories and the glass enclosed space was removed. There were valid reasons to alter the approvals and it was done properly.


Which building is the Toll Brothers City Living project?

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There will ba a theater in the Toll Brothers City Living project as required in the Site Plan approval.

After 9/11, the Goldman Sachs plans changed for security reasons. The tower at 50 Hudson will be 500 feet tall instead of just 15 stories and the glass enclosed space was removed. There were valid reasons to alter the approvals and it was done properly.


How many stories is 500 ft? Just trying to imagine how it will relate to the buildings in the area. It sounds big, but I really have no idea.


It's tall. About as tall as the tan Trump tower. The Goldman Sachs building is about 800 feet tall, in comparison.

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There will ba a theater in the Toll Brothers City Living project as required in the Site Plan approval.

After 9/11, the Goldman Sachs plans changed for security reasons. The tower at 50 Hudson will be 500 feet tall instead of just 15 stories and the glass enclosed space was removed. There were valid reasons to alter the approvals and it was done properly.


How many stories is 500 ft? Just trying to imagine how it will relate to the buildings in the area. It sounds big, but I really have no idea.

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There will ba a theater in the Toll Brothers City Living project as required in the Site Plan approval.

After 9/11, the Goldman Sachs plans changed for security reasons. The tower at 50 Hudson will be 500 feet tall instead of just 15 stories and the glass enclosed space was removed. There were valid reasons to alter the approvals and it was done properly.

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I seem to recall that there was supposed to be a theater, just like the Goldman plan had called for a winter garden. Once they got approval, it seemed they tossed that idea. I just wonder what goes through the heads of planning officials - no wonder JC has not progressed further.

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That would be awesome if it turned out to be a venue for music shows.

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I thought there was supposed to be a performance theater for concerts, plays, shows, etc. Which would have been ... pretty awesome. Oh well.

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Personally, I like the new rendering much better, but those towers are HUGE! I guess there's going to be a lot more foot traffic in that area. When you say "theatre" are they talking about a movie theatre or a traditional type of theatre?

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No - there was no such promise.

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What happened to this concept: http://artepara.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/provost-square.jpg

Or is that a different project?

Will Provost Square include the theater that was promised?


I believe the rendering you are pointing to was the previous project known as Provost square; Toll bought out that project and the Manischewitz property to build one project with 3 towers, the theater, plaza, and preserved facade of the old warehouse.

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Wasn't there a big debate on the height of the towers, and how Toll promised they wouldn't be more than the zoned height?

Promises promises.....you knew you'd never keep...

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What happened to this concept: http://artepara.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/provost-square.jpg

Or is that a different project?

Will Provost Square include the theater that was promised?

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Meanwhile, check out the Provost Square towers:

http://www.slcearch.com/planning/provost-square/

The Flash is a little screwy so hit the little arrow to the right to bring up the second rendering.



That's pretty impressive. I wonder what that's going to do to the property value of the buildings surrounding the square? Thanks for the link.

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You are now aware that there are multiple stores that sell organic produce in downtown - two places on Newark Ave, that market in Paulus Hook, and Shoprite - which has a third of the produce section for organic and another entire aisle solely for organic products and probably others that I can't recall or don't even know about.

Whole Foods is also a 20 minute subway ride.

Congratulations on being either ignorant, stupid, whiney or all of the above. If it's just the first, then no biggie - you just didn't know, and now ya know. If you just felt like whining that there isn't a hot yoga studio, charcuterie, le pain quotidien and Whole Foods next door to you, then why the hell did you move there? lol at you.

if you think there's some great need for all the happy froo froo stuff (and I have patronized LPQ and WF, up with froo froo!), then why don't you look into opening up something of your own? CLEARLY there's a demand for it (lol again), so go make some money at it. Quite frankly, if you're decent, like Kraverie, Madame Claude's, Smith & Chang, etc. then I'll even give you some of my money!

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Some of us can not exist on processed foods.

lmao. Yes, you can. I promise, you'll live.

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I'm in complete agreement with what you just said. I'm not one of the self-deluded residents that lies to myself thinking they will open one. There won't be a Trader Joes/Whole Foods here for long time (if at all), and you're right it is "just business."

I agree with you, unfortunately there are too many small minds in JC who think we have the demographics to support these types of stores. Morton Williams is the closest we will get to a WF and that store is never crowded.


Yes, there was a PathMark a C-Town and a ShopRite.

Now there is an A&P, a Morton Williams and that other off brand gourmet market in 77 Hudson / 70 Greene. We're still a few years away from a large scale big box gourmet grocery store.


Meanwhile, check out the Provost Square towers:

http://www.slcearch.com/planning/provost-square/

The Flash is a little screwy so hit the little arrow to the right to bring up the second rendering.

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I'm in complete agreement with what you just said. I'm not one of the self-deluded residents that lies to myself thinking they will open one. There won't be a Trader Joes/Whole Foods here for long time (if at all), and you're right it is "just business."

I agree with you, unfortunately there are too many small minds in JC who think we have the demographics to support these types of stores. Morton Williams is the closest we will get to a WF and that store is never crowded.

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I'm in complete agreement with what you just said. I'm not one of the self-deluded residents that lies to myself thinking they will open one. There won't be a Trader Joes/Whole Foods here for long time (if at all), and you're right it is "just business."

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Trader Joe's is for rich people?

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The answer is the question. High end grocery stores have staff dedicated to location selection. If they thought the current income level could support their business, they would be here. The fact that they are not answers the question as to whether there are enough rich people here to support their businesses. Its not a slight. No one is sitting around saying, "oh well, Jersey City has the demographics we need to support a Whole Foods / Trader Joes / Wegmans / Amish Market, but out of spite, because we despise Jersey Cityians, we're just not going to open a store there." No, that isn't how businesses work. If they thought it would work, they would be open here.

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PEOPLE!!!!! Trader Joe's/Whole Foods and new restaurants are not coming until JC gets some higher income residents who will shop and eat out at these establishments!


This was the post that caused the apparent "no more rich people" comment, but in reality the "There are already plenty of 'higher income' families in JC" comment by Owlie was a statement in response to someone saying we need rich people here in order to get a Trader Joes/Whole Foods. So there was no contradictory statement at all. Owlie just mentioned that the rich are already here, thus questioning why there isn't a better food market. Glad I could clear that up.

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There are already plenty of "higher income "families in JC. My problem is that it is damn frustrating not to have amenities HERE. It's a pain to always have to go outside my community to fulfill my basic needs. Some of us can not exist on processed foods. I need a place to buy various organic foods.


Sorry I missed this, but that's hilarious. thanks for the lols


It may be hilarious to you, but it is true, and many people that live here including myself feel the same way.


Its hilarious because there is a contradictory statement: on one hand, a declarative no more rich people! and then a [sad face] why aren't there more rich people businesses?

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