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It seems a bunch of trains are getting redirected to WTC to accommodate all the riders/ bikes involved in today's 5-borough tour. I've been on the platform waiting for a 33rd train for 40 minutes. Of course there's no notice or announcement. Plenty of helpful word scrambles, though.

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I think what Lhota meant was not in his political lifetime which is surely shorter than he would like.

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I also never really understood that "15 minute delay" thing. if all the trains are delayed 15 minutes, wouldn't the intervals between them still be the same? even when they announce there's a delay, the trains still seem to come just as frequently.


i was told that meant trains come every 15minutes, not that the schedule was phase-shifted by 15minutes

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I also never really understood that "15 minute delay" thing. if all the trains are delayed 15 minutes, wouldn't the intervals between them still be the same? even when they announce there's a delay, the trains still seem to come just as frequently.

It depends on the schedule at the time. Some are every 10 minutes, 15 minutes, 20 minutes, and so forth. It also depends on the day of the week. If you do the math it can affect the timing, which is everything.

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I also never really understood that "15 minute delay" thing. if all the trains are delayed 15 minutes, wouldn't the intervals between them still be the same? even when they announce there's a delay, the trains still seem to come just as frequently.

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yep, have lived in downtown JC for 23+ years now, and the PATH rules, almost no real problems ever.

now the subways in Brooklyn on most weekends, those are worth complaining about.

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Out of all the ways into and out of NYC the PATH is certainly the most reliably on time. There are always areas for improvement, but considering what other people do to get in and out of the city I'm not about to complain about the PATH.

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Ahh, another PATH apologist.


I don't run PATH, I have nothing to apologize for. What I do have a a perfect on time record at work since I began using PATH on a regular basis 2 and a half years ago. And similar results going home.

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I remember once we were hit by a storm and my friends in Brooklyn couldn't come to work because of cancellations, but I could. Although MTA is a monster in size, compared to the PATH system and the outer boroughs will obviously have their service restored later than Manhattan.

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I’ve ridden PATH at least three-thousand times over the past five years and not once has it failed to get me into Newark or Manhattan, or back to Jersey City in a reasonable amount of time, and typically without delay, incident, or irregularity. I wouldn’t call the system an example of perfection by a long shot, but that’s a surprisingly high degree of reliability for any form of transportation in my experience.

How much more should my commute leave me wishing for? Heating and air conditioning in the stations? Plush seating? Private cars? Cocktail service? Air miles? Sure, if my morning commute took place during the Generation-Y rush hour, crowding would be a perpetual hassle, but how stupid would I be to ask for that headache?

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Ahh, another PATH apologist.

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PATH comes close to providing perfect service on most days.


3/28/2012 12:20:15 PM
Due to a signal problem, service on the NWK-WTC line is operating with a 15 min delay.


3/27/2012 11:17:50 PM
Due to a car equipment problem, service from 33rd street to JSQ is operating with a 15 min delay.


3/23/2012
#ServAdv Because a signal problem, NWK-WTC operating with 20-min delay.

3/19/2012
#ServAdv Due to a car equipment problem, JSQ-33 and HOB-33 are operating with 15-minute delays.

3/15/2012
#ServAdv Due to signal failure, NWK-WTC is operating with a 15-min delay.

3/15/2012
#ServAdv Due to signal failure on the Hackensack River Bridge, NWK-WTC operating with a 15-min delay.

3/5/2012
#ServAdv Due to signal problems, PATH service is limited to Hoboken-33 St and Newark-Journal Square.

That was just March, and only the reported service interruptions.



Oh my, 7 Delays in one month, how awful? And in a lot of these cases, I'll bet the time between scheduled trains was less than the delays, so instead of taking the published train you want, you managed to catch the prior train. Oy, what a problem. Again, considering the age of the system, and the number of people they serve during rush hour, I have no idea how one can call it "pathetic."

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I agree PATH is much better than many other services, including some of MTA subway lines. I take the PATH and then the subway to work and majority of the time, service disruptions are on the NYC subway and not the PATH. Most of the service delays on the PATH are during off peak times and the time duration of the delay is not significant.

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Just chiming in here... the PATH is definitely far from perfect, but you ought to try riding the Washington, DC Metro system. It's really a similar type of system - goes between the suburbs and a major city. It used to be a great system but started to go majorly downhill after I moved out of the area. Not dependable anymore. Take a look at all the stories on this website:

unsuckdcmetro.blogspot.com

Makes the PATH system look like a shining star by comparison, although, in fairness, the DC metro is much larger than the PATH and consequently, harder to run.

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PATH comes close to providing perfect service on most days.


3/28/2012 12:20:15 PM
Due to a signal problem, service on the NWK-WTC line is operating with a 15 min delay.


3/27/2012 11:17:50 PM
Due to a car equipment problem, service from 33rd street to JSQ is operating with a 15 min delay.


3/23/2012
#ServAdv Because a signal problem, NWK-WTC operating with 20-min delay.

3/19/2012
#ServAdv Due to a car equipment problem, JSQ-33 and HOB-33 are operating with 15-minute delays.

3/15/2012
#ServAdv Due to signal failure, NWK-WTC is operating with a 15-min delay.

3/15/2012
#ServAdv Due to signal failure on the Hackensack River Bridge, NWK-WTC operating with a 15-min delay.

3/5/2012
#ServAdv Due to signal problems, PATH service is limited to Hoboken-33 St and Newark-Journal Square.

That was just March, and only the reported service interruptions.

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Yes the PATH has problems. What large public infrastructure these days doesn't? But I take offense at the "Pathetic" in the title of this thread. I'd say in the last 2 years that I've been using PATH on a daily basis, it's caused me to be late to work once. And that was probably no more than an extra 20 minutes, simply because I had to use the WTC line rather than the 33rd Street line.

Is it overcrowded during rush hour, sure, but considering the system was built over 100 years ago (I'm guessing), it's pretty incredible. I don't think anyone could have foreseen this level of traffic back then.

The reality in life is that not to many things are perfect. PATH comes close to providing perfect service on most days. I'm all for having folks post topical issues about something gone wrong on a specific day, or other advisories. But the only thing pathetic are those people who constantly whine about how pathetic PATH is.

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500+ posts, so forgive my laziness, but what transit systems are not pathetic? My criteria include:
24/7 operation
reasonable cleanliness
safety
cops that aren't scarier than the thugs
integration with other transit modes - easy transfer and same payment system

I have only used 3 other systems with regularity: NYC, Paris, Lyon, and except for the 24/7, Lyon meets my criteria. NYC probably violates the Geneva convention (I always feel like a POW) and is filthy, Paris stinks (a metro cologne "Madeleine", named after the stinkiest station doesn't help (personal hygiene is not the problem)) and is stiffling in the warmer months as well as being more crowded than NYC despite trains running as often as 90 seconds apart (ligne 14).

I would love to be able to e-mail myself to midtown, but all attempts have been stymied by my shoes which just don't
transfer, except for my espadrilles, of course.

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I know of one business in flushing that would love the 7 to extend to Jersey.


Maybe we can convince them to call the station at our eld of the 7 line "Shea Terminal."

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What ever happened with this ruling.... did the PA appeal? Haven't heard a peep about this in the news... can't imagine they will be able to get it overturned. When would be the estimate that they actually start working on an ADA accessible entrance for Grove Street?


I saw a card at the PATH station about temporary wheelchair service. It doesn't count if you use crutches or a cane.

PATH offers free temporary bus shuttle service, exclusively for customers using wheelchairs, between Grove Street Station and Exchange Place or Newport stations.

http://www.panynj.gov/path/temporary-wheelchair-service.html

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Heights, thank you for the heads up about the Bike JC meeting. I will try to make it there. Biking in JC is definitely a topic of great interest to me. I am sure we have crossed paths at some point. I ride here all the time and would love to see some improvements.

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http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/201 ... bway-riders/?ref=nyregion

No transferring from BDFM next week after 10p. All trains suspended for overnight repairs.

"Starting Monday night and continuing through Friday morning, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority is shutting down parts of the B, D, F and M lines from 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. There will be no service at all on those lines between West Fourth Street and 57th Street on those nights."

Plan accordingly.

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Hudson county is a transportation hub and a lot of suburban NJ people take the PATH trains to work in Manhattan. This adds to the overcrowding.

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I know of one business in flushing that would love the 7 to extend to Jersey.

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The combination of ARC tunnel and new signal system by 2017 would have assuaged the crush of people that will be relying on the system by then.


What's going on with the whole 7 train expansion? Is that still being considered? I can't imagine the fiscal nightmare between the two states considering riders can't even pay for unlimited metro cards that work for both the PA and the MTA.


The 7 train is a fantasy. I mean, its not an unrealistic fantasy, but it wasn't anything that existed as even a concept before Christie cancelled the tunnel. Amtrak will probably have built their high speed rail tunnel before the 7 train is extended.

I think there was some talk of commissioning a feasibility study, which would probably fall under the auspices of NYC division of planning or the MTA and cost a few hundred thousand dollars or more. From there there are environmental studies, design and planning, funding issues, federal interstate train issues and so the whole process is easily 10 years starting from when Bloomberg uttered something about a 7 train.

That said, there are big businesses that will profit from the 7 train, especially if there is a stop on the north end of Hoboken / Weehawken border in addition to Secaucus. Big developers have a lot of profit to gain and also developers in Long Island City get a boost for their office tower market because suddenly getting from suburban NJ to LIC is much, much easier.

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The combination of ARC tunnel and new signal system by 2017 would have assuaged the crush of people that will be relying on the system by then.


What's going on with the whole 7 train expansion? Is that still being considered? I can't imagine the fiscal nightmare between the two states considering riders can't even pay for unlimited metro cards that work for both the PA and the MTA.

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The combination of ARC tunnel and new signal system by 2017 would have assuaged the crush of people that will be relying on the system by then.

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Toll Hikes of course are causing this increase. Harrison too has had a huge increase and that station is a dump with no loading zone outside for drop offs & pick-ups. It's actually very dangerous and the road isn't even finished yet. PA is a bunch of high payroll idiots who don't care about anyone but themselves......

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Agreed about the ever increasing crowding inside the PATH cars. I commute with a bicycle, and I am finding it harder and harder to bring it on board between 6:30 and 7:00 PM. I now ride the PATH to HOB and simply ride back into JC via the Newport walkway. I am not sure what to make of the uptick in ridership, but it is a real issue, with or without a bike. I don't know how the PATH will fare with all these new high-rises being approved and built. We will likely see an additional 3,000 residential units come on the market over the next few years. I don't want to think about what riding the PATH will be like in 2015!

2015 sees so far away but it is just a few short years away which will be here before you know it. With 3000 units expected that would be the minimum if it only houses one person per unit so the population count may be higher. Using the Hoboken PATH is a smart idea, have you thought about getting a folding bike ? If you have time Bike JC www.bikejc.org is having their monthly meeting next week on Tuesday February 28th at 8pm the meeting will take place in the Zeppelin Beer Hall. Perhaps you might have some ideas regarding commuting by bike.

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Agreed about the ever increasing crowding inside the PATH cars. I commute with a bicycle, and I am finding it harder and harder to bring it on board between 6:30 and 7:00 PM. I now ride the PATH to HOB and simply ride back into JC via the Newport walkway. I am not sure what to make of the uptick in ridership, but it is a real issue, with or without a bike. I don't know how the PATH will fare with all these new high-rises being approved and built. We will likely see an additional 3,000 residential units come on the market over the next few years. I don't want to think about what riding the PATH will be like in 2015!

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