Register now !    Login  
Main Menu
Who's Online
24 user(s) are online (17 user(s) are browsing Message Forum)

Members: 1
Guests: 23

blanquiita, more...




Browsing this Thread:   1 Anonymous Users




« 1 2 (3) 4 5 6 ... 23 »


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2004/11/6 16:13
From Hamilton Park
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 3111
Offline
Does anyone know if this will still leave a right of way for future light rail?

Posted on: 2012/3/29 13:14
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Just can't stay away
Just can't stay away


Hide User information
Joined:
2011/9/8 9:21
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 72
Offline
I think this is great news. The block on Marin is desolate and in need of development. This is a good compromise to keep the rest of the Embankment as open space or a park.

Congratulations to Steve Hyman, The Embankment Coalition and the City for finally taking a step forward. By working together, I'm sure you can develop something good for the city and the pocketbook.

Posted on: 2012/3/29 11:15
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2007/9/1 10:14
From Downtown - H.P. area
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 405
Offline
This has to do with laws about rail infrastructure that has been abandoned or is in disuse. I don't know all the specifics but there are provisions that give the municipalities in which these assets exist the first right of refusal when the owner (Conrail in this case) decides to sell them.

It does not apply to all privately owned properties and really has nothing to do with you telling your neighbor how to decorate his house, which anyway would be a time-honored tradition.

PS - if you live in the historic district you actually are telling your neighbor how to decorate his house - the ourside anyway.

Posted on: 2012/3/29 9:54
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Just can't stay away
Just can't stay away


Hide User information
Joined:
2005/9/15 12:41
From Grove St.
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 98
Offline
Shrewd move. Bravo! He's not going to develop it, he will flip it with approvals for $30 million plus, not bad for an original investment of $3 million. He recovered his original cost and legal fees on the cash offer the City made. Give him credit, it's a very smart move.

Posted on: 2012/3/29 9:48
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2011/5/7 11:41
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 158
Offline
Quote:

The city, which hopes to use its six-block portion of the embankment to create a Highline-style park, sued, saying it should have been given first crack at purchasing the property.


WHY? This is what I don't understand. While I would love to see a highline, park, or whatever, I just don't get how the city can sue someone that bought this legally. Does the city get first chance to buy everything? If so, that really isn't fair. This is the equivalent of me telling my neighbors how to decorate their house, even though I don't own their house. I just feel I should be able to.

Posted on: 2012/3/29 9:46
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Just can't stay away
Just can't stay away


Hide User information
Joined:
2011/9/21 12:53
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 73
Offline
Why can't we have nice buildings that take up a city block instead of ugly high rises that have a fenced in lot next to it for years to come.

Posted on: 2012/3/29 9:43
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2006/4/10 9:29
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 2464
Offline
35 stories on Sixth and Grove/Manila? Now that is INSANE. Grove Point is only 29 stories and has a much larger base stepping down to 6 stories.

Fail.

Posted on: 2012/3/29 9:38
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2009/12/22 15:28
From 8th st
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 548
Offline
This doesn't sound all that bad to me.

Posted on: 2012/3/29 9:05
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2007/9/1 10:14
From Downtown - H.P. area
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 405
Offline
Normally I would agree, but in this case it seems like this concession to the developer is what it will take to get the settlement approved. Without agreement on the settlement, we have nothing.

Plus we really, really need some new condo buildings down there. What else are we going to do with our excess street/sewer/police/fire infrastructure.

Posted on: 2012/3/29 8:30
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2012/1/11 13:21
From Greenville/Bayside Park
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 2980
Offline
hmmmm the smell of greed. Put a sign up at city hall that says Jersey City for sale.

Posted on: 2012/3/29 8:14
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2012/2/20 13:20
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 899
Offline
Jersey City proposes changes that would permit two towers on historic Sixth Street Embankment

Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 7:36 PM
By Terrence T. McDonald/The Jersey Journal

The Jersey City City Council gave initial approval tonight to changes to a Downtown redevelopment plan that would allow a developer to build two towers on a portion of the historic Sixth Street Embankment.

The changes are required by a tentative settlement the city reached last month with developer Steve Hyman, who has battled the city for years over ownership rights to the embankment. As part of the agreement, the city would purchase most of the roughly mile-long parcel for $7 million, while Hyman would retain one block.

Hyman, who purchased the embankment from Conrail in 2003 for $3 million, wanted to develop the entire property. The city, which hopes to use its six-block portion of the embankment to create a Highline-style park, sued, saying it should have been given first crack at purchasing the property.

The changes given tentative approval by the council, which only go into effect if the settlement is approved by all parties, would permit construction of the two towers, one 35 stories and the other 45 stories. They could contain a maximum of 400 residential units and 200 hotel rooms.

The city Planning Board would not be required to approve any plans to build the two towers. The changes approved tonight would merely amend the Luis Munoz Marin Redevelopment Plan, making construction of the towers possible.

The two towers would sit on a parking base, the roof of which would be level with the adjacent embankment block. The parking base would have at least one restaurant, which could be accessed from the city-owned portion of the embankment via a “decorate and well-appointed” walkway.

The measure passed 7-0, with council members Steve Fulop and Michele Massey absent.
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... y_proposes_changes_t.html

Posted on: 2012/3/28 20:05
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2006/11/10 15:17
From Downtown
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 214
Offline
Apologies if this has been covered before...

Is there a relatively convenient way to get up onto any sections of the Embankment now as it stands? There were some wonderful photos posted by stc4blues and I'd like to climb up there myself sometime to take a peek.

Hopefully without breaking too many laws (or my neck.)

Posted on: 2012/2/29 10:30
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2006/8/15 17:22
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 401
Offline

Posted on: 2012/2/29 8:11
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2009/10/7 11:46
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 1623
Offline
Ok I can see your point of view (no pun intended). I wouldn’t want hundred’s of tourists looking into my windows everyday either. The one to ten locals who will use the NY..err I mean JC Highline Park everyday would indeed be a more controllable number. (less chance of a real creep being in a smaller group) I like how the embankments artist rendering depicts the 9 people using the JC Highline. ( http://www.embankment.org/render1bweb.jpg )

I guess I will shelve the “World Embankment at Jersey City” plan. It will sit with other great JC idea’s including Former Mayor Bret Schundler’s idea of a Water Park within LSP. (yes you read it right!)

For those newcomers who want a background on the Water Park in LSP or the NYC Chelsea Piers style recreation area over at the JC car pound lot check this old link out (in the history section of it)….

http://stopbretschundler.com/LSP.htm

(it also has some other pieces on projects including the 6th st embankment at the bottom of the page)


I will still keep my idea of 6 separate community artsy / recreational area’s on the table though (post #589 above).

Posted on: 2012/2/18 11:50
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2008/10/23 12:11
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 413
Offline
I own property that is eye level with the embankment and as such have a vested and aesthetic interest in the development and maintenance that eventually happens there. While I can appreciate thinking out of the box and attempting to do something different than the NY highline, I have to say that this "World Idea" is potentially horrendous. It's like, let's make disneyland fit into 6 blocks! No thank you, I think I just vomited in my mouth a bit.
PLEASE, PLEASE Just make one continuous design that incorporates a modern aesthetic with a respect of heritage and nature. This sounds a lot like the high line but you really have to give it up to those designers they did a great job, let's not screw this up just in the name of being different.

Oh and F#$^ Tourism...not gonna happen sorry.



Quote:

neverleft wrote:
To continue with the above idea of NOT copying NYC. Let Jersey City have something unique to NYC, to America or maybe the World…

I can see it now The Jersey City …err I mean The World Embankment at Jersey City.

Jersey City is the one of the most diverse cities in the world. Not only now but also back in the day just think of all of the emigrants for all over the world passing through Jersey City from Ellis Island to the LSP rail road terminal. Some even stayed…even though our streets we not lined with gold. Ha, ha.

Let’s get the world involved in the design and restoration of the The World Embankment at Jersey City.

Here some more idea’s…

OK there are 6 separate embankments. Six perfect squares with beautiful stone walls. (an fyi to the people who think the hanging ivy is cool. Yes it is but it is a killer of brick and other masonry. It locks moisture in.)

There are 6 world continents. (or 7 or 5 or 4 however you want to look at it). For this project we will shoot for the 6. (unless you want to go with 5 and keep one of the embankments just for JC)

1-Africa
2- The America’s (North America and South America)
3- Australia/Oceania
4-Antartica
5-Eurasia (Europe and Asia)
6-(a vote can be done to decide to break up either number 2 or number 5)

Put out a huge media campaign saying that Jersey City is looking for its (and America’s) roots. JC is holding a world wide design contest to design six enclosed squares on JC’s embankment with a theme from each of the 6 continents. Set up a committee to pick one winner from each continent. The 6 winners will have their design actually constructed in the 6 embankments representing the world. (and to the good people (or wildlife) of Antartica plastic snow and ice won’t cut it!)

Sort of like The World’s Fair or better yet Disney’s World Showcase. And like Disney have the continents pay for the construction of their embankment. (or hold a penny collecting campaign , hey it worked for Lady Liberty’s base) We will maintain them but let them pay the construction costs. (and unlike Disney World we don’t need them sending over hot young natives to run the small concession stands in each of the embankments. Although if Sweden or Brazil would like to sent some beauties over ..my door is always open.)

Get it? Did it sink in yet? Make The World Embankment at Jersey City something the world has never seen before. If it catches on I am sure some tour (ferry/bus) company would set something up and add The World Embankment at Jersey City to it’s list of must see’s. Next stop…Statue of Liberty, then Ellis Island, last stop The World Embankment at Jersey City. I likey! (throw in some discount coupons for Pole Position and we got it made.)

The World Embankment at Jersey City will become a major attraction bringing in big bucks. (maybe you will need to build that hotel on 6th hmmm)

One more thing ..remember up above I said you wouldn’t want people walking on a elevated park looking into some ones 3rd floor bathroom window? Well click on the below .jpg from the embankment thread. There are actually 3 Goldman Sacks guys on the bridge pointing and laughing at someone shaving their pits in the bathroom window. And look at that poor woman in yellow on the stairs carrying that new born up the two flights of stairs. I see her hubby running down the sidewalk with the stroller trying to make it to the ramp 6 blocks away. (good thing he is in shape)

http://www.embankment.org/render1bweb.jpg

www.embankment.org

Posted on: 2012/2/17 22:42
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2008/7/3 1:49
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 941
Offline
The problem is, nothing I've seen from ECG passes the smell test. So using them as a factual basis strikes me as mildly retarded, to put it lightly. It's like using Breitbart or World News Daily as the argument for your facts. To borrow from another thread that got bumped recently, this seems to fall under the heading of lies, damn lies and statistics.

Please tell me how a neighborhood park is going to put a hotel in this area. I'd be dying to read the infinite leaps of faith it takes to go from point A to point U while skipping the rest of the alphabet along the way.

I'll give neverleft some creative points, but uh... yea

Posted on: 2012/2/12 17:14
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2009/10/7 11:46
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 1623
Offline
To continue with the above idea of NOT copying NYC. Let Jersey City have something unique to NYC, to America or maybe the World…

I can see it now The Jersey City …err I mean The World Embankment at Jersey City.

Jersey City is the one of the most diverse cities in the world. Not only now but also back in the day just think of all of the emigrants for all over the world passing through Jersey City from Ellis Island to the LSP rail road terminal. Some even stayed…even though our streets we not lined with gold. Ha, ha.

Let’s get the world involved in the design and restoration of the The World Embankment at Jersey City.

Here some more idea’s…

OK there are 6 separate embankments. Six perfect squares with beautiful stone walls. (an fyi to the people who think the hanging ivy is cool. Yes it is but it is a killer of brick and other masonry. It locks moisture in.)

There are 6 world continents. (or 7 or 5 or 4 however you want to look at it). For this project we will shoot for the 6. (unless you want to go with 5 and keep one of the embankments just for JC)

1-Africa
2- The America’s (North America and South America)
3- Australia/Oceania
4-Antartica
5-Eurasia (Europe and Asia)
6-(a vote can be done to decide to break up either number 2 or number 5)

Put out a huge media campaign saying that Jersey City is looking for its (and America’s) roots. JC is holding a world wide design contest to design six enclosed squares on JC’s embankment with a theme from each of the 6 continents. Set up a committee to pick one winner from each continent. The 6 winners will have their design actually constructed in the 6 embankments representing the world. (and to the good people (or wildlife) of Antartica plastic snow and ice won’t cut it!)

Sort of like The World’s Fair or better yet Disney’s World Showcase. And like Disney have the continents pay for the construction of their embankment. (or hold a penny collecting campaign , hey it worked for Lady Liberty’s base) We will maintain them but let them pay the construction costs. (and unlike Disney World we don’t need them sending over hot young natives to run the small concession stands in each of the embankments. Although if Sweden or Brazil would like to sent some beauties over ..my door is always open.)

Get it? Did it sink in yet? Make The World Embankment at Jersey City something the world has never seen before. If it catches on I am sure some tour (ferry/bus) company would set something up and add The World Embankment at Jersey City to it’s list of must see’s. Next stop…Statue of Liberty, then Ellis Island, last stop The World Embankment at Jersey City. I likey! (throw in some discount coupons for Pole Position and we got it made.)

The World Embankment at Jersey City will become a major attraction bringing in big bucks. (maybe you will need to build that hotel on 6th hmmm)

One more thing ..remember up above I said you wouldn’t want people walking on a elevated park looking into some ones 3rd floor bathroom window? Well click on the below .jpg from the embankment thread. There are actually 3 Goldman Sacks guys on the bridge pointing and laughing at someone shaving their pits in the bathroom window. And look at that poor woman in yellow on the stairs carrying that new born up the two flights of stairs. I see her hubby running down the sidewalk with the stroller trying to make it to the ramp 6 blocks away. (good thing he is in shape)

http://www.embankment.org/render1bweb.jpg

www.embankment.org

Posted on: 2012/2/12 13:18
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2004/11/7 12:04
From "Pay for Play"
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 1535
Offline
Quote:

corybraiterman wrote:
You brought up all of those points, not me. Unless you set up your own strawman, then that term isn't applicable. As someone with years in writing and editing, perhaps I can offer you some outside learning? Reasonable rates, of course.

Again, I highly, HIGHLY doubt that constructing a park in a residential neighborhood (a mostly fully developed one, I might add) adds a drop in the bucket into destination tourism. Were this along exchange place, I might feel differently, but given all the current factors: nope.


Nope, don't think you might. However, since I continue to write, worked as an editor for national newsletter and publish for over forty years, in addition to having worked as a vp, literary agent in the book industry, if you have something you think worthwhile you've written I suggest you get a copy of LMP.

In regards to your doubts( read the entire 2011 East Coast Greenway Alliance survey I posted ), come back with specifics of refutation and I'll respond in kind. You've done no work here in your postings but just opine.

As that great posthumous Senator from New York, Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts."

Posted on: 2012/2/12 11:31
Resized Image
Help US Sue Spectra! Join OR Donate!
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2008/7/3 1:49
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 941
Offline
You brought up all of those points, not me. Unless you set up your own strawman, then that term isn't applicable. As someone with years in writing and editing, perhaps I can offer you some outside learning? Reasonable rates, of course.

Again, I highly, HIGHLY doubt that constructing a park in a residential neighborhood (a mostly fully developed one, I might add) adds a drop in the bucket into destination tourism. Were this along exchange place, I might feel differently, but given all the current factors: nope.

Posted on: 2012/2/12 11:09
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2004/11/7 12:04
From "Pay for Play"
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 1535
Offline
I've found that on JCList one must address each "straw man" argument directly lest they become part of the same hubristic myth perpetuated by disingenuous people.

So too wit see my BOLD and BLUE reply below:

Quote:

corybraiterman wrote:

Bright, you're seriously going to tell me that someone's going to put up a hotel on Division and 6th next to Legal Beans and Healey's new bar because there's a new park nearby?

NO. "Destination tourism", which JC lacks, generates $$$'s city-wide. Hotels cater to market segments not currently being provided. Hotels that cater to this segment will be built where there is under utilized property which could be anywhere that PATH, Light Rail or Buses connect to downtown near the Embankment. JC will benefit in jobs and tax revenue generated just as with HIGH Line though not as much due to different economics at NYC/High Line.

Next time I'm teaching my marketing courses at Fordham you are welcome to sign up either enrolled or audit if permitted. Economic Impact Analysis and Market segmentation drives all marketing.


Are they going to rezone 6th street for business? You're bringing up Whole Foods and Trader Joe's... on this?

Again "straw man" arguments. Retailers of all size are brought principally by the result of Economic Impact Analysis driven by MSA data for each segmentation.

Example-I knew that B&N's use of MSA data and Economic Impact Analysis would never open a store in JC( having ran NYC and Boston for them in early '90 as Regional Director). The reason? simply because the "buying segment" of book customers is less than 4% in US for books. This is why apart from B&N's real estate locations they primarily acquired 1,000 locations from B. Dalton, the significant sales "profit" are not books as all bookstores in US selling new books have a rising floor on costs and a fixed ceiling on profitability. It's real estate is principle value.

So retailers will come due to the Economic Impact Analysis of the Embankment's contribution to the entire city, the county, the MSA region and finally the US as destination tourism

Those $$$s will help bring jobs and tax revenue we need and you can all thank the Embankment Preservation Coalitions work with different administrations from Schundler who wanted to tear it down to a city council and Mayor Healy came on board realizing what I'm saying here.

Yes there are some who lack the ability to see what visionaries like the founder of the EPC , their board and members throughout JC see. If you felt different why did you never organize folks who felt as you?



Dude. Really.

Really?

Wow.

WOW.


"Dude. Really."

Any more schooling and I'll have to bill you Cory.

Posted on: 2012/2/12 9:26
Resized Image
Help US Sue Spectra! Join OR Donate!
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2006/8/15 17:22
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 401
Offline
While I am pro-preservation and love the idea of a Highline in Jersey City, I have some trepidation about the actual hard costs and ongoing O&M. The NY Highline is amazing IMHO but not sure that can replicated here given the surrounding environment of West Chelsea, the meatpacking district, etc. and nor does it have to be. We are not NYC but Jersey City and not inferior. Neverleft makes an interesting point about thinking outside the box and that's a novel approach of individual themed parks for recreational pursuits. I would add one to his/her list of one of the spaces to show films on a large scrim with concession stands serving popsicles and whatnot from local purveyors. Also, one park could be an English Garden or landscaped.

I definitely don't think those structures should be demolished, the walls and ivy on them are beautiful and peaceful.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/15/opinion/15Rybczynski.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/15/art ... hline.html?pagewanted=all

Quote:

neverleft wrote:
For once in your newcomer lives why don’t you start thinking on your own and STOP looking to NYC for shi*. You are all freaking copy cats. They have a Whole Foods, you want a Whole Foods. They have an Elevated Park, you want an elevated park. They have a Barcade, you want (and got) a Barcade. What next a floating swimming barge in the Hudson off LSP? How unoriginal of you.

Do you think I am going to pay the millions and millions of dollars to not only construct your elevated park but the millions to maintain it? And the millions to settle the law suits from the parents of kids (and drunken hipsters) who fall off of your elevated park? Connecting bridges over every street..you must be on drugs.

Think out of the box for once and let NYC look to us!

Here is a simple cool idea. I have not read the entire thread and don’t know if anyone else came up with this ingenious (and cheap) idea yet. (but from reading your posts from other threads I doubt it)

Why would we want another outdoor park in JC we have enough of them. Do something called WALKING or RIDING A BIKE over to JC’s many parks. The idea of a quiet out of the way park is NOT an elevated park. What peace would it bring? You are going to hear the city noise 10 fold being elevated. (sound rises like heat) Also do you really want to look across the street over into someone’s 3rd floor bathroom window while they shave their legs or pits? (ok creepy calm down) And how fast do you think you can climb down 2 flights of stairs to go after the punk you see breaking into your car 20 feet below? Those pictures someone posted are so breath taking but guess what you could have taken the pictures at street level and had the same effect. Duh.

Here do this….for under $500K ..no under $300K.

-put up a BIG sign that says FREE DIRT. (let’s just hope there’s no chromium in it .. maybe a NO RETURNS sign would also help)

-dig all of the dirt out of the embankments leaving the beautiful bare stone walls. Patch them if need be. At least you won’t need a multimillion dollar French drain system in the dirt to protect them.

-make multiple street level mini enclosed parks on each block (who the F wants to climb two flights of stairs to get to an elevated park..with a baby carriage) Cut entrances into the stone walls, put up cool local artist created gates. (with locks..heavy locks!)

-Throw a tennis court in one, a hand ball court (or are you yuppies into bocce ball now) in another. A Jungle Gym for the rug-rat crowd. No hoops though because as you know it always attracts a bad element. (a yuppie with a b-ball is bad news a very ugly sight, especially when they start trying to talk ghetto)

- leave a little dirt in each .. make mini elevated park areas with flowers and trees (I’m talking 3 feet dirt mounds not 20 feet) within the walls. (and NO freakin dog walks) Make one just an adult chill park for relaxing (and picking up chicks) ..maybe have one of those fancy Japanese gardens in it with those cool big orange and white fish. (yeah like they would last one night in JC)

-the possibilities are endless mini golf, small rentable party space(cover half of one with a glass roof) ,gazebos, music shells (can you image the acoustics for summer time concerts?) One more thing NO bathrooms let people shi* for themselves somewhere else or hold it in.

Get the gist of it yet? Enclosed mini parks within the city to SHUT OUT all of the city noise and ugly sights. (not you honey) Not an expensive elevated park that lifts you 20 feet above the city. The same dam city noise and ugly sights just 20 feet higher…no thanks!

Let’s get started. Print up some flier’s announcing a design contest. A fresh design with be picked for each blocks mini-enclosed park space.



(listen to this old-timer...I posted this just 5 minutes ago and look...a new yorker named maybeMoving is already thinking about moving here.)

Posted on: 2012/2/10 17:56
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Just can't stay away
Just can't stay away


Hide User information
Joined:
2010/5/3 21:44
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 104
Offline
I have to say, I think this is a really interesting idea. Maybe if the developer was smart he would've done that from the beginning and used the embankment walls as the outer structure of the condos. I bet nobody else in America would have a place like that.

But let's be fair, you really think something like this could be done for an amount like 300k? The removal of the insides would be a massive undertaking that would not only require getting some very heavy machinery on top of the embankment, but then you'd have get it all out before you could even begin to construct tennis courts, parks, etc. Good luck getting that done for under a couple million bucks.

I still hope they just leave it as is.

Quote:

neverleft wrote:
For once in your newcomer lives why don’t you start thinking on your own and STOP looking to NYC for shi*. You are all freaking copy cats. They have a Whole Foods, you want a Whole Foods. They have an Elevated Park, you want an elevated park. They have a Barcade, you want (and got) a Barcade. What next a floating swimming barge in the Hudson off LSP? How unoriginal of you.

Do you think I am going to pay the millions and millions of dollars to not only construct your elevated park but the millions to maintain it? And the millions to settle the law suits from the parents of kids (and drunken hipsters) who fall off of your elevated park? Connecting bridges over every street..you must be on drugs.

Think out of the box for once and let NYC look to us!

Here is a simple cool idea. I have not read the entire thread and don’t know if anyone else came up with this ingenious (and cheap) idea yet. (but from reading your posts from other threads I doubt it)

Why would we want another outdoor park in JC we have enough of them. Do something called WALKING or RIDING A BIKE over to JC’s many parks. The idea of a quiet out of the way park is NOT an elevated park. What peace would it bring? You are going to hear the city noise 10 fold being elevated. (sound rises like heat) Also do you really want to look across the street over into someone’s 3rd floor bathroom window while they shave their legs or pits? (ok creepy calm down) And how fast do you think you can climb down 2 flights of stairs to go after the punk you see breaking into your car 20 feet below? Those pictures someone posted are so breath taking but guess what you could have taken the pictures at street level and had the same effect. Duh.

Here do this….for under $500K ..no under $300K.

-put up a BIG sign that says FREE DIRT. (let’s just hope there’s no chromium in it .. maybe a NO RETURNS sign would also help)

-dig all of the dirt out of the embankments leaving the beautiful bare stone walls. Patch them if need be. At least you won’t need a multimillion dollar French drain system in the dirt to protect them.

-make multiple street level mini enclosed parks on each block (who the F wants to climb two flights of stairs to get to an elevated park..with a baby carriage) Cut entrances into the stone walls, put up cool local artist created gates. (with locks..heavy locks!)

-Throw a tennis court in one, a hand ball court (or are you yuppies into bocce ball now) in another. A Jungle Gym for the rug-rat crowd. No hoops though because as you know it always attracts a bad element. (a yuppie with a b-ball is bad news a very ugly sight, especially when they start trying to talk ghetto)

- leave a little dirt in each .. make mini elevated park areas with flowers and trees (I’m talking 3 feet dirt mounds not 20 feet) within the walls. (and NO freakin dog walks) Make one just an adult chill park for relaxing (and picking up chicks) ..maybe have one of those fancy Japanese gardens in it with those cool big orange and white fish. (yeah like they would last one night in JC)

-the possibilities are endless mini golf, small rentable party space(cover half of one with a glass roof) ,gazebos, music shells (can you image the acoustics for summer time concerts?) One more thing NO bathrooms let people shi* for themselves somewhere else or hold it in.

Get the gist of it yet? Enclosed mini parks within the city to SHUT OUT all of the city noise and ugly sights. (not you honey) Not an expensive elevated park that lifts you 20 feet above the city. The same dam city noise and ugly sights just 20 feet higher…no thanks!

Let’s get started. Print up some flier’s announcing a design contest. A fresh design with be picked for each blocks mini-enclosed park space.



(listen to this old-timer...I posted this just 5 minutes ago and look...a new yorker named maybeMoving is already thinking about moving here.)

Posted on: 2012/2/10 16:30
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2009/10/7 11:46
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 1623
Offline
For once in your newcomer lives why don’t you start thinking on your own and STOP looking to NYC for shi*. You are all freaking copy cats. They have a Whole Foods, you want a Whole Foods. They have an Elevated Park, you want an elevated park. They have a Barcade, you want (and got) a Barcade. What next a floating swimming barge in the Hudson off LSP? How unoriginal of you.

Do you think I am going to pay the millions and millions of dollars to not only construct your elevated park but the millions to maintain it? And the millions to settle the law suits from the parents of kids (and drunken hipsters) who fall off of your elevated park? Connecting bridges over every street..you must be on drugs.

Think out of the box for once and let NYC look to us!

Here is a simple cool idea. I have not read the entire thread and don’t know if anyone else came up with this ingenious (and cheap) idea yet. (but from reading your posts from other threads I doubt it)

Why would we want another outdoor park in JC we have enough of them. Do something called WALKING or RIDING A BIKE over to JC’s many parks. The idea of a quiet out of the way park is NOT an elevated park. What peace would it bring? You are going to hear the city noise 10 fold being elevated. (sound rises like heat) Also do you really want to look across the street over into someone’s 3rd floor bathroom window while they shave their legs or pits? (ok creepy calm down) And how fast do you think you can climb down 2 flights of stairs to go after the punk you see breaking into your car 20 feet below? Those pictures someone posted are so breath taking but guess what you could have taken the pictures at street level and had the same effect. Duh.

Here do this….for under $500K ..no under $300K.

-put up a BIG sign that says FREE DIRT. (let’s just hope there’s no chromium in it .. maybe a NO RETURNS sign would also help)

-dig all of the dirt out of the embankments leaving the beautiful bare stone walls. Patch them if need be. At least you won’t need a multimillion dollar French drain system in the dirt to protect them.

-make multiple street level mini enclosed parks on each block (who the F wants to climb two flights of stairs to get to an elevated park..with a baby carriage) Cut entrances into the stone walls, put up cool local artist created gates. (with locks..heavy locks!)

-Throw a tennis court in one, a hand ball court (or are you yuppies into bocce ball now) in another. A Jungle Gym for the rug-rat crowd. No hoops though because as you know it always attracts a bad element. (a yuppie with a b-ball is bad news a very ugly sight, especially when they start trying to talk ghetto)

- leave a little dirt in each .. make mini elevated park areas with flowers and trees (I’m talking 3 feet dirt mounds not 20 feet) within the walls. (and NO freakin dog walks) Make one just an adult chill park for relaxing (and picking up chicks) ..maybe have one of those fancy Japanese gardens in it with those cool big orange and white fish. (yeah like they would last one night in JC)

-the possibilities are endless mini golf, small rentable party space(cover half of one with a glass roof) ,gazebos, music shells (can you image the acoustics for summer time concerts?) One more thing NO bathrooms let people shi* for themselves somewhere else or hold it in.

Get the gist of it yet? Enclosed mini parks within the city to SHUT OUT all of the city noise and ugly sights. (not you honey) Not an expensive elevated park that lifts you 20 feet above the city. The same dam city noise and ugly sights just 20 feet higher…no thanks!

Let’s get started. Print up some flier’s announcing a design contest. A fresh design with be picked for each blocks mini-enclosed park space.



(listen to this old-timer...I posted this just 5 minutes ago and look...a new yorker named maybeMoving is already thinking about moving here.)

Posted on: 2012/2/10 15:40
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2008/7/3 1:49
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 941
Offline
Bright, you're seriously going to tell me that someone's going to put up a hotel on Division and 6th next to Legal Beans and Healey's new bar because there's a new park nearby? Are they going to rezone 6th street for business? You're bringing up Whole Foods and Trader Joe's... on this?

Dude. Really.

Really?

Wow.

WOW.

Posted on: 2012/2/10 11:33
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2006/7/14 15:34
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 545
Offline
As mentioned, being an elevated structure would add a lot of logistics to a park. Safety, vandalism, squatting etc... But not insurmountable issues. However, I think any opportunity to get more green space here, and in any urban community, should be taken advantage of.

Posted on: 2012/2/10 9:58
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2004/11/7 12:04
From "Pay for Play"
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 1535
Offline
I know both JPhurst and corybraiterman( Cory and I both served on PATH advisory panel as volunteers) and I'm also a member of the Embankment Preservation Coalition(EPC).

Just as corybraiterman has answered some of the posts here as to "what he wants on Embankment" many times (though I may disagree), so have I, as JPHurst, though many naysayers here are simply lazy to read other posts on this thread. I've posted why there are realistic economic reasons, beyond those of us who support an open space park, be built on the Embankment :



*Jobs
- Yes, as Spectra likes to claim, but these are long term service sector jobs, not temp such as:

- Hotels-staff, cleaning services;

- Retail - Galleries, box stores, grocery stores, specialized food stores(Whole Foods, Trader Joe's, small boutique stores (book store(s), children oriented stores, personal services- exercise, hair grooming, bike stores;

-Restaurants & Bars- bartenders, waitresses, managers, owners

-Embankment Conservancy -General Manager, wildscape oversite maintenance, urban planner(s), grant writers, event & fund raisers, security, general maintenance.

There was a major study commissioned in 2001 by the East Coast Greenway Alliance, a 3,000 mile hike and bike trail from Maine to Florida. at this link below (posted here by moi)that shows NOT the "possibility" of revenue generated along the East Coast Greenway Alliance generated by tourism, but what existed in 2001. Even with our 2008 economic collase, you're talking about sizable revenue.

JC has better costs to expense ratio for each tourist $ then does NYC and as such with the infrastructure built to support the Embankment open space park realized, Jersey City would finally have a local, regional, national "destination site" in the shadow of NYC other than the Liberty State Museum, to generate tax-paying revenue to both support the annual maintenance of the park AND generate additional revenue for JC.

In addition, if any of you naysayers, online punditry, had been at last nite's unanimous council vote in support of the EPC settlement, as were JPHurst, myself and a roomful of supporters who stayed for hours till the council vote, you would have heard JC counsel. Bill Matsikoudis, clearly explain the following. (Public info) That while settlement negotiations are still under discussion, they include the *possibility* of Con Rail or other developer getting inducements for building the bridge over-span and providing maintenance subsidies for the Embankment in exchange for any development. of Con Rail properties that "might be" acquired for development or zoning variances for Con Rail sale

Win, Win for all parties.

So unless you are for higher taxes, lack of job growth in JC only then would you be against preservation for an open space Embankment.

Re: The Embankment could have been JC's High Line #423 ( East Coast Alliance Study)


Quote:

JPhurst wrote:
Quote:

ExUWSguy wrote:


I am all for the Embankment, but we can't discount corybraiterman and stillinjc's concerns.


And we haven't! The discussion over funding, maintenance, upkeep, etc is something that advocates for preservation have been discussing for years. And it still is being discussed. Questions of feasibility, expense are constantly on the table for discussion.

Of all the groups I've seen advocating for open space and/or preservation, the EPC along with the Reservoir Alliance are probably the most thorough in addressing these issues. These groups actually raised funds, obtained earmarks and pledges, drew up plans, hired engineers, conducted studies, etc.

The problem is not that a minority on this board are raising "concerns." The problem is that they are making ill informed personal attacks on other people. When they do raise an issue of substance, it is something that, had they done their homework, they would have realized it had been largely addressed.

By all means, people should attend the meetings, council hearings and the like. I will simply note that at last night's council meeting, or for that matter any other council meetings where the subject was addressed, no one who thought this was a "waste of money" bothered to show.

Posted on: 2012/2/9 20:10
Resized Image
Help US Sue Spectra! Join OR Donate!
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2011/11/28 17:22
From Jersey City yo!
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 250
Offline
Quote:

JPhurst wrote:
Quote:

stillinjc wrote:


I take Cory seriously. Because he's absolutely right.



Anonymous cowards on jclist don't count.


Haha, Mr Parkhurst has a new rule - you have to reveal your real name on jclist in order to "count", in his estimation.

Otherwise you are a coward.

C'mon, all jclisters, reveal your real names, or you don't count, and are cowards.

Oh, wait, that rule only applies when you disagree with Mr Parkhurst.

Never mind...


Posted on: 2012/2/9 19:20
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2005/6/7 23:24
From New Urbanist Area
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 889
Offline
Quote:

ExUWSguy wrote:


I am all for the Embankment, but we can't discount corybraiterman and stillinjc's concerns.


And we haven't! The discussion over funding, maintenance, upkeep, etc is something that advocates for preservation have been discussing for years. And it still is being discussed. Questions of feasibility, expense are constantly on the table for discussion.

Of all the groups I've seen advocating for open space and/or preservation, the EPC along with the Reservoir Alliance are probably the most thorough in addressing these issues. These groups actually raised funds, obtained earmarks and pledges, drew up plans, hired engineers, conducted studies, etc.

The problem is not that a minority on this board are raising "concerns." The problem is that they are making ill informed personal attacks on other people. When they do raise an issue of substance, it is something that, had they done their homework, they would have realized it had been largely addressed.

By all means, people should attend the meetings, council hearings and the like. I will simply note that at last night's council meeting, or for that matter any other council meetings where the subject was addressed, no one who thought this was a "waste of money" bothered to show.

Posted on: 2012/2/9 15:33
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2005/6/7 23:24
From New Urbanist Area
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 889
Offline
Quote:

corybraiterman wrote:
and by anonymous, you mean someone using their real name?


I wasn't referring to you.

Or are you saying that "stillinjc" is a real name?

Or is he your sockpuppet?

Posted on: 2012/2/9 15:08
Print Top


Re: Embankment- Update Thread
Home away from home
Home away from home


Hide User information
Joined:
2008/7/3 1:49
Group:
Registered Users
Posts: 941
Offline
Quote:

kencares wrote:
Cory's not anonymous... He outed himself as the guy that used to work at a record store at the mall on 440:

I imagine him to be like Jack Black in high fidelity:


Sadly, that was our last day of business. All gone now. And I truly wish at times I could have been more like that character.

{Customer} Do you have (insert terrible musician here)?
{Me} Do we look like we carry that sh@*? Go to the f&^%ing mall

Sadly, we did carry that crap, and we were in the mall.

Quote:
okay, so humor us: what DO you want there?

As I've said earlier in the thread, I'd support low-rise housing; the kind that would fit in with the neighborhood as opposed to dominating the area (and it would have to include parking imo, I don't own a car, but for those that do, having scores more people parking in already limited space would be an issue). I'd almost be OK if the embankment were leveled and a regular park were put in it's place - the upkeep for a regular park is a fraction of what it takes to maintain multiple bridges, service ramps, fencing, etc.

Posted on: 2012/2/9 14:38
Print Top




« 1 2 (3) 4 5 6 ... 23 »




[Advanced Search]





Login
Username:

Password:

remember me

Lost Password?

Register now!



LicenseInformation | AboutUs | PrivacyPolicy | Faq | Contact


JERSEY CITY LIST - News & Reviews - Jersey City, NJ - Copyright 2004 - 2014