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The new station should have a whole new set of stairs and escalators and connect to a massive underground corridor linking Battery Park to the Fulton Transit center.


By new station are you just referring to a different way to get out of the current station? I'm assuming that the exit path will follow the same route as when the WTC station reopened where everyone walked east. You will then be able to connect to the 1 and N, R-Cortland street station, and walk in a passageway under Dey street to connect to the Fulton Street Transit Center. Is this correct?

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Yeah the whole exiting process from the WTC station is painful. It takes about 5 minutes to get from the train to Church Street. Compare that to the 33rd Street terminal, which takes about 1-2 minutes. Doesn't 33rd Street handle the same volume that WTC does? Why couldn't the WTC station be modeled after the 33rd?

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Is there any plan to add more staircases to the WTC platforms to alleviate exit crowds?


The new station should have a whole new set of stairs and escalators and connect to a massive underground corridor linking Battery Park to the Fulton Transit center.

There had been some discussion about not replacing some of the stairs when costs were rising a few years ago, but then it was realized the folly of that plan. Of course now that the Sandwiches and Cuomo are crying about costs, who knows.

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Is there any plan to add more staircases to the WTC platforms to alleviate exit crowds?

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"Samson, along with Rechler, and Commissioners William Schuber and Jeffrey Lynford, formed the four-member committee that conducted the review, which the governors ordered after an audit by New York Comptroller Thomas DiNapoli found the agency had paid $85.7 million in overtime in 2010 to 5,360 of its employees of its 6,977 employees.

Auditors found that the total cost of compensation and benefits for average active Port Authority employees exceeds $143,000. They said 93 percent of authority employees make no contribution to health care, compared with 100 percent of New York and New Jersey employees who do."

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I have been taking the WTC line for more than year now. I have rarely seen any delays. This is the best path line in JC!!!

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When is the signal system going to be upgraded? Is it currently being done?

For the past few months I have been taking the WTC line, which used to consistently be a breeze (5 minutes), but nowadays, it sometimes crawls. Today, for example, was stop and go, and the ride took 15 minutes! It's about a mile and a half. 15 minutes is a real embarrassment.


"The PATH rail system will receive a nearly $400 million signal-system upgrade, increasing potential rail capacity on the line 20 percent by 2014, officials said today." (Jersey Journal Oct 17, 2007)

"The signal project, eventually projected to cost $580 million and be completed in 2017, is part of a $3.3 billion plan to modernize the entire PATH system over the next 10 years." October 23, 2009, Star Ledger


Clearly the answer is that the signal upgrades will be completed 7-8 years from now. Ask again in a few years and they'll tell you the same thing.

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Well that's kind of disappointing.

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When is the signal system going to be upgraded? Is it currently being done?

For the past few months I have been taking the WTC line, which used to consistently be a breeze (5 minutes), but nowadays, it sometimes crawls. Today, for example, was stop and go, and the ride took 15 minutes! It's about a mile and a half. 15 minutes is a real embarrassment.


"The PATH rail system will receive a nearly $400 million signal-system upgrade, increasing potential rail capacity on the line 20 percent by 2014, officials said today." (Jersey Journal Oct 17, 2007)

"The signal project, eventually projected to cost $580 million and be completed in 2017, is part of a $3.3 billion plan to modernize the entire PATH system over the next 10 years." October 23, 2009, Star Ledger

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When is the signal system going to be upgraded? Is it currently being done?

For the past few months I have been taking the WTC line, which used to consistently be a breeze (5 minutes), but nowadays, it sometimes crawls. Today, for example, was stop and go, and the ride took 15 minutes! It's about a mile and a half. 15 minutes is a real embarrassment.

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A lot of the problems have to do with the emphasis on meeting construction schedules at the World Trade Center site rather than focusing on providing services. There is no national photo op for Christie and Cuomo when the PATH upgrades its signal system or expands the platforms. But at least once a year they both get to show up alongside the President on all the network television stations and many of the cable stations and say, "oh hey, look what we built!"

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on Thursday the 26th, 33rd to JSQ train at about 8:30 PM packed to the gills, Friday same train about 4:30 PM packed. This is the first car in the train which should the the least crowded.

I ride the path every day (for 10 years) and it seems to be reaching a breaking point.

The Hoboken trains are 50% full.

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8,000 units in Harrison? Just another reason to move into NYC.

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The Toll Brothers, Liberty Harbor, 70/90 Columbus--- so what, all these people are getting on at the same station from the same platform at Grove Street.

What should be worrying people is the 8,000 units planned for Harrison since all these people will already be on the train.

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Japanese people pushers would be awesome. That'll teach you fools to stand right in front of the door. I fantasize about clotheslining a few people during my rush hour commute. The Toll Bros. project is a behemoth (40 not 30 stories on the Southwest tower alone and there are three towers). This will make a logistical nightmare for the PATH in the morning. I read somewhere that it will hold the largest amount of retail space as well for any proposed project in the area. I believe it's 40,000 square feet of retail at the base of all three combined towers.

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Wait until they build the Toll Bros. building going up on Marin & Bay Street. 1300 hundred units.

Yea ! With more than one person per apartment the population could more than double. Especially with roomies it will be worse than a shore house rental. Hey the Japs just push the passengers in their trains like sardines with a psudeo shoehorn.

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Wait until they build the Toll Bros. building going up on Marin & Bay Street. 1300 hundred units.

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For those of you complaining about the escalators off, it was 100% necessary because of a street-level (construction truck?) backup. In that case, it's not a PATH issue. It's a construciton-at-rushhour issue.



The PATH is operated by the Port Authority. The construction site at the World Trade Center is operated by the Port Authority. So no, the PATH shouldn't be held accountable, but the Port Authority certainly should be.

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The situation at WTC with the escalators sucked, but I'm so happy that it didn't turn ugly with people pushing, shoving or stampeding trying to get out. Everyone was pretty civil and calm throughout.

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edit: Same exact experience as switchboardgirl, just reiterating.


I got through Vesey just before that shit happened.

Heavy congestion at the PATH exit caused a massive backup into the station. If they had kept the escalators running (like the people no more than 20 seconds behind me experienced) than commuters would have continued moving up to street level with absolutely no place for those people to go.

For those of you complaining about the escalators off, it was 100% necessary because of a street-level (construction truck?) backup. In that case, it's not a PATH issue. It's a construciton-at-rushhour issue.

I am very tolerant of crowds but that situation of coming up the escalator with nowhere to go almost caused me to have a panic attack; others around me were thinking out loud the same exact thing.

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PATH could be worse.. at least they haven't gone on strike.





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Got to love people who are too stupid to avoid Vessey when its crowded, although its a little bit odd that they allow trucks in and out of that gate during rush hour. Of course I also think its odd that cars are allowed on Church street at that block too.

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I was stuck in this mayhem this morning too. Luckily the escalators were still working but when you got to the top there was no room to get off the moving escalators. I barely made it off myself. I have a suspicion that in the middle of the heavy crowds this AM (due to police activity) they were closing off the ped crossing (on and off) into Vesey Street because they were allowing construction trucks to get through into the WTC site. Now I didn't see this happen but when I got to the top nobody was moving out of the station at all. It seemed like we were being held back, although I couldn't see why. 10 minutes later the crowd started to move and the Vesey Street passageway was not backed up at all.

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Well I'm probably not alone being confused why people couldn't walk out of the WTC station. Despite what some uninformed person said above, the exit at the top of the escalators at W.T.C. is at least thirty feet wide, maybe forty. We have all had to walk up the W.T.C. escalators before, so I can't understand how the huge crowds were stuck waiting on and below the escalators for anything more than five minutes. Were the police preventing people from leaving? While I'm up here on my soap box, isn't there a law that every public space has to have a minimum of two exits in case of fire? Why wouldn't they have some basic safety considerations like that in a location thats always going to be remembered as a worse case scenario? Anyway, here are two links I found: http://gothamist.com/2012/01/20/this_ ... station_after.php#photo-1



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People did walk up the escalators. You have to realized that at the top of the escalators, the exit is only five feet wide. 1/2 of it was blocked with commuters trying to get into the PATH stations and trying to take the PATH to NJ. With limited space to exit and high volume of commuters, it took me quite some time to exit out onto the street.

The Port Authority needs to create more exits area to get out of the WTC. Before 9/11, you had more than one exits. We currently only have one and on a day like today, it was dangerous.

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With a little research , it seems that the WTC station was overloaded due to an earlier shutdown on the 33rd Street lines. But I don't understand, why did they shut down the escalators, and when they were shut down, why couldn't people walk up them?

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The circus at WTC this morning was completely ridiculous. Literally 3,000 people were trapped inside the station. Only ONE set of stairs, 5 feet wide, was open and thousands of people were funneling into it. People who had been on the escalators when they were turned off were forced to STAND there on the escalators! It took me about 25 minutes to get to street level. This was #1 on my list of PATH disasters I have experienced.

What the hell caused this? The announcement from PATH was (paraphrase) "It is slow exiting from the WTC station because the escalators have been turned off due to a high volume of customers exiting the station." That is utter nonsense. Why would the escalators be turned off? And why wouldn't they allow people who were standing on the escalators WALK up the escalators?

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Friday 1/20/12, 8:30am RUSH HOUR.

All escalators at WTC PATH were shut off.

It took OVER 30 MINUTES to make it from thetrain platform to the PATH exit on Vesey st.

If there was a fire, there would have been HUNDREDS of fatalities.

How does PATH get away with have no emergency egree plan?

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"...Regarding four lines of service on weekends, we cannot consider this until construction at World Trade Center is complete. The signal system is scheduled to be compelete is 2016 and the WTC in 2015."



Separate lines ran on weekends for a couple of years after WTC reopened post-9/11, so I call bullshit on their "waiting for construction to be complete" excuse. Also, why should WTC construction affect the 33rd Street line in any way?

But thanks, JerseyAve, for reaching out for a reply.

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