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Yes, Yes... That is easy. Outside contractors would love to get the contracts. They and the city can rake it in and put down control over the major streets and intersections. It is also good to get REAL cops pulling people over, but they can't do it because they are too overworked and underpaid. (yea right)
Posted on: 2012/1/21 19:43
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In HP, everyday I see Parking Authority 'Interceptors' simply pass by cars parked up to or in the crosswalks. Why don't they ticket? They seem to be only concerned with cars that don't move for street cleaning. Must be some sort of orders from higher up.
Posted on: 2012/1/21 19:33
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..... aaaaaaaand, as predicted, the Grove & Grand intersection now has a "Your Speed Is..." sign.
Oh, and the only positive thing to come out of this situation is the downed traffic light. The cars took out the old light. The new lights--for some reason--have sat for years covered in a black tarp. One new light (the light facing east/west on Grand) is now operating. How's that for progress?
Posted on: 2012/1/21 19:04
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Then why aren't we inviting red light and speeding cam operators to set up more locations here? Enforcement plus cashflow to city with zero outlay. Seems like a no brainer. The contract and implementation just needs to be made to prioritize enforcement rather than cashflow. There should be signs at every major road entrance to JC: "traffic laws enforced by radar cameras", so everyone knows and it's not a "gotcha". @ Brewster ~ full agreement. Now what do we have to do to make this happen?
Posted on: 2012/1/21 17:29
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Then why aren't we inviting red light and speeding cam operators to set up more locations here? Enforcement plus cashflow to city with zero outlay. Seems like a no brainer. The contract and implementation just needs to be made to prioritize enforcement rather than cashflow. There should be signs at every major road entrance to JC: "traffic laws enforced by radar cameras", so everyone knows and it's not a "gotcha".
Posted on: 2012/1/21 16:26
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Officers stationed at hotspots doing traffic enforcement could probably easily recover their overtime pay in the fines they collect. Set a speed threshold (10 mph over limit or something) and ticket EVERYONE going above that speed. Have a few crackdowns a year... maybe people will largely become afraid to drive like morons for fear of getting a ticket. Probably catch a few fugitives and get some illegal drugs/weapons off the street at the same time.
Posted on: 2012/1/21 16:26
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by heights on 2012/1/21 15:11:36 I've been told at the Heights police captain's meeting that there are not enough police officers to go around, that it would spread the force thin to cover every infraction pattern out there. Plus their jurisdiction only allow them certain levels of enforcement. The halls of justice are only as strong as it's weakest link. Your point is valid, however cameras mounted atop traffic lights wouldn't interfere with police coverage. Having lived in Hoboken for a dozen years, prior to moving to JC, I can tell you that no one in the know illegally parks too close to the crosswalks - traffic tickets and booting raise revenue there. I wish that we could hire additional staff to enforce parking rules - I nose my car into cross walks as I often can't see past the cars parked right up to the stop signs. I am so sorry for the families affected by this tragedy. My hope is that these deaths will bring about lasting change for the better in our community.
Posted on: 2012/1/21 16:18
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I think the weak link is the JC public accepting that same old story from JCPD that there is nothing that they can do, not enough resources.
Posted on: 2012/1/21 16:17
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I've been told at the Heights police captain's meeting that there are not enough police officers to go around, that it would spread the force thin to cover every infraction pattern out there. Plus their jurisdiction only allow them certain levels of enforcement. The halls of justice are only as strong as it's weakest link.
Posted on: 2012/1/21 15:11
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> It's not so wild at 25 mph. Read Joshua Parkhurst's excellent email further above in this thread. Robin.
Posted on: 2012/1/21 14:11
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This is a huge issue and one of my biggest issues with living in JC. Its sooo dangerous for both pedestrians and drivers.
I\'ve been clipped twice as a pedestrian in the past year on Marin and Columbus by drivers ignoring pedestrians in the cross walk. I live at in intersection with stop signs in all directions. Every day there are dozens of cars blazing through the intersections and we have multiple accidents per year. Weekly on my walk to work, I see cars running red lights, not slowing down but instead accelerating through the light. Weekly on my walk to work, I see cars driving around cars in front of them into both oncoming traffic, or the right parking lanes because the car in front is obeying traffic signals (lights, stop sights, yielding to pedestrians). One of the times that I was clipped was because of this. I\'ve had some correspondences with Fulop on this and he is sympathetic but its a much larger issue and requires many things. In my opinion: - We should have speed bumps at every stop sign. Stop signs are regularly ignored and cars go _much_ too fast on the side streets. This would at least keep the speeds down. - We should have cameras on all traffic lights. The cameras should enforce running red lights, right turn on red without stopping, and not yielding to pedestrians in the cross walk. If this can also help with speeding so much the better. - We should have high police presence for speeding, reckless driving, and yes driving while using a cell phone. - Through traffic from the highway through downtown JC to the tunnel should not be allowed. Cameras on the exits from the highway and on the right turns into the tunnel could match plates and issue tickets. This alone would dramatically improve the situation along Columbus. None of these proposals are new and have been discussed in the past. Some on JC list always shoot them down for various reasons such as \"tickets are just a way to increase revenues\", \"it would increase accidents because xxx\", and such. There\'s always someone arguing it\'s the cost of living in a city. I\'ve lived / worked in center city Philadelphia, Manhattan, Hoboken, downtown Boston, downtown London, and Queens. JC is _much_ worse. I\'ve never been scared to cross the streets until coming to JC a few years ago. Every reason that I\'ve read is just a rationalization to justify selfish, reckless and dangerous driving that has become habitual to far too many residents in JC. I have no compassion for those arguments.
Posted on: 2012/1/21 13:25
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It's not so wild at 25 mph.
Posted on: 2012/1/21 10:54
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I wonder if there is a way to call for a state inspection of Grand street, I suspect that wild veer to the left cannot be up to standards and code.
Robin.
Posted on: 2012/1/21 8:40
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the best proven solution to crack down on traffic issues, is calming traffic ; this is a combination of most suggestions noted here...and more, there is not a single solution that will really help on its own but the different methods combined will make a change! The city needs to hear from everyone on this matter...call, email and complain - and send them your suggestions!! Joe DeSouza is the Director JC of Traffic and Engineering. (201) 547-4470. I am looking into starting a petition also, join me on my JC street safety page for news http://www.facebook.com/pages/Jersey- ... 06524533?sk=wall&filter=1
Posted on: 2012/1/21 7:42
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that would be an excellent solution...the man to bring all our complaints too is Joe DeSouza, Director JC of Traffic and Engineering. (201) 547-4470. He needs to hear from everyone on this matter! I am looking to start a petition, join my page for more info and let me know if you want to help spread the word!! http://www.facebook.com/pages/Jersey- ... 06524533?sk=wall&filter=1
Posted on: 2012/1/21 7:35
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I saw some truck do that on essex street
Posted on: 2012/1/21 0:04
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Anybody catch the old timer driving on the light rail tracks at exchange place around 6:30? Literally drove right through the tonnelle ave train route, don't even know how his car fit through that area.
Posted on: 2012/1/20 23:53
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Fuller was a night manager at the Shoprite on Marin. They have setup a fundraiser for his family. http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... plans_fundraiser_for.html
Posted on: 2012/1/20 22:48
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I spent the summer in physical therapy for carpal tunnel in both hands. While there and feeling somewhat sorry for myself I met a woman who had been struck by a tow truck on 2nd and Newark. Returned home that same summer night to learn that my neighbor and her young son had been struck by a car on 4th Street. Incredibly humbling reality check, right? Carpal tunnel is now gone ~ these other folks have ongoing issues.
Have seen a car/month drive the wrong way down 6th Street, where I live. With a young baby in a stroller, I walk our streets with trepidation ~ few drivers ever pause while we're in the crosswalks and many will speed up and swerve around. My heart is in my throat whenever I need to cross Marin Blvd to go to BB&B or Shop Rite. My mother lives in Brick, NJ where cameras were installed on two traffic lights in 2010. The city raised $500,000 in automatically generated tickets at those intersections. I often find myself wishing that we might lobby to have cameras installed here also. JC could use both the revenue and safety net that cameras would provide. Who should I reach out to in order to make this happen? http://brick.patch.com/articles/red-l ... ed-more-than-500k-in-2010
Posted on: 2012/1/20 22:35
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I just returned from a short trip to the A&P and encountered three separate instances of drivers making insane and dangerous moves. All three involved an impatient driver who swerved around the car in front of him because that car was obeying the law or being courteous to someone else. All three of these drivers put themselves and others at risk to save MAYBE 10 seconds which usually just got them to the next stop light one car sooner.
The police need to crack down on lawless driving around here. That's a much bigger cause of danger than the width of streets.
Posted on: 2012/1/20 19:22
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I live by the river.
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sigh... i wish this were a perfect world where this would work. this morning a man ran in front of my car as i was accelerating to merge onto the turnpike ramp. he was chasing a dollar bill.
Posted on: 2012/1/20 15:37
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$500,000 bail? How about no bail?
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... t_500000_for_man_acc.html
Posted on: 2012/1/20 14:21
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unless the road is designed properly so don't get up to that speed...which would be its point!!
Posted on: 2012/1/20 13:48
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Unfortunately hitting speed bumps at 80 mph would likely turn that suv into an out-of-control, two-ton flying projectile.
Posted on: 2012/1/20 13:41
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Its extremely important to get the speed down here on Grand, yes its a main road but its also the homes to tons of families who need to be able to walk to their homes without risking their lives! Speed is a deciding factor to how serious an accident will be, here is a great example to why we need to stop this madness... I couldn\'t find a similar chart in English, so this is an explanation from the Swedish government why the speed is so important. Surely we would have been researched it here as well...or??? http://data.riksdagen.se/fil/GY01TU18 ... -ACF2-32B58C950FAF%7D.png The no of people represent how many are likely to get killed in an accident depending on speed: 50 km/hr equals about 30 miles/hr 30 km/hr equals about 20 miles/hr an accident at 30miles/hr is researched to kills about 80% of its victims while accidents at 20miles/hr about 90% survives! The drunk driver of the accident the other day was speeding really fast, probably to 80...and its not the first time on this road!!! If the City have had speed bumbs or anything else if there are other better ways to slow down the traffic...so it would have been impossible for him to get up to that speed -yes, very inconvenient for the drivers in a hurry down on Grand Street - but the children of Fuller and Camelo would maybe have had their fathers today! Then... Awareness and respect is also another subject...Im not sure if kids here get any traffic safety and street moral/education or awareness in school. Traffic Safety should be a big subject...in the schools and our homes! But cities need to back this up with awareness campaigns - if the city don\'t show much priority, people wont neither...and safer streets would be a start for sure! and then the whole drinking and driving issue is of course another issue itself, since it\'s not at all as big of a problem in certain other countries our country should make it a huge focus from early early years, but its as with everything...it's about priorities, and then peoples interests and actions for change and improvements!!
Posted on: 2012/1/20 13:32
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Another idea would be to post warning signs as you're crossing that this is a dangerous intersection and to use caution when crossing. In a perfect world pedestrians wouldn't have to protect themselves from drivers but these signs would be a reminder to look both ways for speeding cars anywhere near that intersection.
In fact, we're going to tape our own signs to those posts today. Hopefully the city can eventually do the same.
Posted on: 2012/1/20 12:51
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This was a terrible tragedy and our prayers go out to the families of the victims as well as the others who witnessed and did all they could to help.
Cars fly down Grand which is the reason we pulled the tables we used to have out front. With the school and all the children across the street this makes for a very dangerous intersection. Signs like those for road construction workers that triple the speeding fines on a particularly dangerous stretch of road would be a start. Although they wouldn't help much with people under the influence. (If they didn't see a cab stopped in front of them they probably won't see the signs).
Posted on: 2012/1/20 12:46
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Does anyone know if anything has been set up in terms of a charitable foundation to help these families?
Posted on: 2012/1/20 11:52
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![Click to see original Image in a new window](javascript:CaricaFoto("http://media.nj.com/ledgerupdates_impact/photo/10462906-small.jpg"); "Click to see original Image in a new window") Photo - NJ Dept. of Corrections Herman Chandler ![Click to see original Image in a new window](javascript:CaricaFoto("http://media.nj.com/jersey-journal/photo/2012/01/10464508-standard.jpg"); "Click to see original Image in a new window") ![Click to see original Image in a new window](javascript:CaricaFoto("http://media.nj.com/jersey-journal/photo/2012/01/10464509-standard.jpg"); "Click to see original Image in a new window")
Posted on: 2012/1/20 5:29
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2 killed in fiery Jersey City crash after accused impaired driver slams into taxi
January 19, 2012, 6:14 PM By James Queally/The Star-Ledger JERSEY CITY — A brutal accident in Jersey City left two dead and a third person severely burned after a man suspected of being intoxicated rammed his truck into the rear of a taxi cab, causing an explosion that littered the street with car parts, authorities said. Herman Chandler, 34, of Jersey City, now faces two counts of death-by-auto and one count of driving while intoxicated for his role in the chain reaction crash that killed 41-year-old pedestrian Jairo Camelo and a passenger inside of a taxi near Grove and Grand Streets Wednesday night, according to Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio and Jersey City police. “This is really tragic," DeFazio said. The wreck happened around 9:30 p.m., when Chandler smashed into the rear of the taxi in the 200 block of Grand Street, DeFazio said. The vehicle immediately erupted into flames, and the force of the impact shoved the taxi onto the sidewalk where it struck Camelo, according to DeFazio and a Jersey City police report. Camelo suffered serious injuries to his body and head and was pronounced dead at Jersey City Medical Center around 11:30 p.m., according to the police report. NJ Dept. of CorrectionsHerman Chandler The fire trapped both the driver and passenger of the cab inside the vehicle, and while Jersey City police and firefighters managed to pull them free after only a few minutes, both men suffered severe burns, according to DeFazio and the police report. The passenger, identified as 44-year-old Jersey City resident James Fuller, died earlier this morning after sustaining "severe burns all over his body," according to DeFazio and the report. While he was also seriously injured, DeFazio said the driver is expected to survive. Chandler left the scene of the accident and wound up talking to a Jersey City police officer several blocks away, according to the report. The 34-year-old was arrested immediately after his description was broadcast across the department's radio channels. Officers said Chandler had glassy eyes and slurred speech when he was arrested, and DeFazio said while Chandler was apparently "under the influence of illegal substances," it was not clear what type of narcotics he was using. Chandler, who will make his first appearance in Superior Court in Jersey City this afternoon, served at least two years in prison after he was convicted of assaulting a police officer in 2004, according to state Department of Corrections records. DeFazio said the charges against Chandler could be upgraded when he goes before a grand jury later this year.
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