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There are already plenty of "higher income "families in JC. My problem is that it is damn frustrating not to have amenities HERE. It's a pain to always have to go outside my community to fulfill my basic needs. Some of us can not exist on processed foods. I need a place to buy various organic foods.


Sorry I missed this, but that's hilarious. thanks for the lols


It may be hilarious to you, but it is true, and many people that live here including myself feel the same way.

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There are already plenty of "higher income "families in JC. My problem is that it is damn frustrating not to have amenities HERE. It's a pain to always have to go outside my community to fulfill my basic needs. Some of us can not exist on processed foods. I need a place to buy various organic foods.


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Provost Square Plaza: Construction is planned to begin in July 2012 on the first tower - 38 storries containing 417 rental residential units.

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I spoke with a friend who lives in Grove Pointe and has a clear view of the roof, and they said that the rooftop is being stripped and sprayed with something. More than half of the roof is currently stripped, and about 15 people in masks and cleanup suits are continuing to remove the top layer of the roof.

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I'm not sure if they got the approvals yet for the project but I'm sure they are taking down parts of the building before it falls down and kills someone. The water tower on the top has been swaying for months now every time it's windy or raining.

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Construction is officially taking place at the old Manischewitz matzoh factory. I walked past earlier, and there is a large construction crew ripping off the roof.

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There are already plenty of "higher income "families in JC. My problem is that it is damn frustrating not to have amenities HERE. It's a pain to always have to go outside my community to fulfill my basic needs. Some of us can not exist on processed foods. I need a place to buy various organic foods. I'd also like better quality restaurants.
Do we really need more residential housing which will bring more people to a place where the current conditions aren't sufficient for the present population?
I think the city is letting us down and victimizing us. It's very disheartening.


This is Jersey City, not Manhattan. What do you expect? Do you really expect this city to uphold the high standards of Manhattan? It never will. It will always be, "good enough."

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There are already plenty of "higher income "families in JC. My problem is that it is damn frustrating not to have amenities HERE. It's a pain to always have to go outside my community to fulfill my basic needs. Some of us can not exist on processed foods. I need a place to buy various organic foods. I'd also like better quality restaurants.
Do we really need more residential housing which will bring more people to a place where the current conditions aren't sufficient for the present population?
I think the city is letting us down and victimizing us. It's very disheartening.

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PEOPLE!!!!! Trader Joe's/Whole Foods and new restaurants are not coming until JC gets some higher income residents who will shop and eat out at these establishments!


#1 - Whole Foods will NEVER come to Jersey City. EVER. We are in too close of a proximity to Tribeca's Whole Foods, thus they offer us a $15 delivery charge as our consolation prize. However, there may still be a chance for us to get a Trader Joe's.

#2 - "Higher income residents" will choose NYC over Jersey City any day of the week (unless of course you bought into the whole "Jersey City is up and coming" lie)

#3 - You don't need to make six figures a year to be able to afford a decent meal. Good taste transcends all income levels! Just because most people in Jersey City accept mediocrity, doesn't mean I'm willing to as well.

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PEOPLE!!!!! Trader Joe's/Whole Foods and new restaurants are not coming until JC gets some higher income residents who will shop and eat out at these establishments!

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Owlie - While you are correct on your views remember the sitting city council we unfortunately have is in no way shape or form forward thinking. A number of the current city council members did a complete 360 in just one year on the height density issue in the PAD. Lets not forget in 2004 they unanimously voted (with vigor) on the original PAD Redevelopment Plan. Then, just a year later, many of them became turncoats.

In case you forgot it was video taped and can be found on Dan Levin's web-site

http://onejerseycity.org/?p=20

You think the PATH train is bad now? This 3 building 950 unit beast will obviously yield a huge amount of new PATH train commuters each morning. Plan on leaving an extra 30 minutes early each morning.

Remember to see who changed their minds on this issue come November 8th.

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Toll Brothers developments are very much like Walmart. They don't give a damn about the community they set their sights on. They will promise everything but in the end they will only benefit themselves.
They will build whatever they want and block out the sun to all the other buildings.
We don't need another huge residential building Downtown. That will only make the PATH even more crowded . We need something to make Jersey City more livable. We need a Trader Joe's or a Whole Foods. We don't need to obliterate the history of Jersey City. We don't need to complicate our lives. We need to make it more pleasant.[/quote]

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Seagull is correct. There are no great restaurants in JC. They are mediocre at best.
( I will continue to say that we don't need more residents; what we need is a way better grocery store like Whole Foods or/and Trader Joe's)

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Toll Brothers developments are very much like Walmart. They don't give a damn about the community they set their sights on. They will promise everything but in the end they will only benefit themselves.
They will build whatever they want and block out the sun to all the other buildings.
We don't need another huge residential building Downtown. That will only make the PATH even more crowded . We need something to make Jersey City more livable. We need a Trader Joe's or a Whole Foods. We don't need to obliterate the history of Jersey City. We don't need to complicate our lives. We need to make it more pleasant.

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GREAT NEWS!!! Toll builds great buildings and these towers will also bring patrons to all of the businesses on Newark Ave. This is fantastic!!!


Right, because Jersey City is full of great restaurants and cool things to do right? This is Jersey City...not Brooklyn. lol

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GREAT NEWS!!! Toll builds great buildings and these towers will also bring patrons to all of the businesses on Newark Ave. This is fantastic!!!

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and if you don't want to live next to a behemoth glass tower or three then go live in a neighborhood that is zoned for mid-sized warehouses. oh wait...

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I'd much rather my neighborhood look like a "rat's hole" than have it crawling with people and cars. One of the many reasons I like my neighborhood is because it is quiet and peaceful. Neighbors look out for one another. It's a good little community. This is just another travesty to add to JC's list of shame.


This is a city. If you want peace, quiet, and fewer people, buy a farm.

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I'd much rather my neighborhood look like a "rat's hole" than have it crawling with people and cars. One of the many reasons I like my neighborhood is because it is quiet and peaceful. Neighbors look out for one another. It's a good little community. This is just another travesty to add to JC's list of shame.

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I think Toll will be cheating the community as well as the community if it didn't build the public amenities. I think Toll's Williamsburg facility is great because NYC forced them to provide the amenities.

Everytime I walk by the Goldman Sachs building, I get mad because instead of building a winter garden, they built a garage. Just shows you how short-sighted Jersey City officials are.

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Anything to bring in more cars!

Money talks and smart, forward thinking reasoning walks.

Zero accountability. Vote these morons out please!

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I wonder how many years of construction this project will produce? Three 30 story buildings, what do you think? How many years do you think until completion?

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I dont even mind the height and density, but it seems like they are getting away with not having to provide any units for affordable housing and will probably skate on having to build any plaza or anything nice for the community in return for being allowed to cheat zoning laws. Thats whats really upsetting about this project.

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Well, at least something is gonna get built. I'm sort of tired of JC looking like a rat's hole.

http://therealdeal.com/newyork/articl ... b-cotter-of-city-planning

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Toll Brothers did a bang-up job with the Northpier in Williamsburg. Why do they offer crap to JC.

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What's the status of this project?

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I heard that the owner of the property was billionaire Lloyd Goldman. If this is the case then I highly doubt he is suffering...


You are correct as to the owner of 111 First which was demolished by Lloyd Goldman. To read the most comprehensive site detailing what happened at 111 First, read artist William Rodwell's excellent chronology at:

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I would be surprised to see Toll Brothers building anything in the PAD any time soon. They still have not recovered from the disaster they started in Hoboken aka Maxwell Place. All they have to do is look around at the hundreds of unsold luxury units within a few blocks of that site, Trump, Crystal Point, 77 Hudson. Another 950 units would be insane!! My guess is at least 5 years off when the powerhouse is redeveloped.


someone please tell me that the dick who demolished 111 is now suffering financially from that decision.


I heard that the owner of the property was billionaire Lloyd Goldman. If this is the case then I highly doubt he is suffering...

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I would be surprised to see Toll Brothers building anything in the PAD any time soon. They still have not recovered from the disaster they started in Hoboken aka Maxwell Place. All they have to do is look around at the hundreds of unsold luxury units within a few blocks of that site, Trump, Crystal Point, 77 Hudson. Another 950 units would be insane!! My guess is at least 5 years off when the powerhouse is redeveloped.


someone please tell me that the dick who demolished 111 is now suffering financially from that decision.

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I would be surprised to see Toll Brothers building anything in the PAD any time soon. They still have not recovered from the disaster they started in Hoboken aka Maxwell Place. All they have to do is look around at the hundreds of unsold luxury units within a few blocks of that site, Trump, Crystal Point, 77 Hudson. Another 950 units would be insane!! My guess is at least 5 years off when the powerhouse is redeveloped.

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They should let Toll Brothers develop the Metro Plaza Block. They should also re-open Provost and Warren Street to 6th street. That will create more foot traffic thru the PAD which will eventually lead to more developers interested in the Rehabilitation of the old warehouses.

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