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I would be very interested to hear thoughts on living at the Foundry. I recently took a look at a couple of impressively large units there. It's a lot of apartment for the money. I understand the neighborhood's relative isolation to downtown and its transitional status.

How do owners at the Foundry feel about their homes? Are they happy with the space? Are they pleased with the trade-off of content/value vs. transitional status of the neighborhood?

I currently live downtown and am weighing all of these things as I look for another home in JC.

Thanks!

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What are you looking for?

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I want to like this area and consider it when buying, but after driving through over the last couple of days, I'm not really seeing nor feeling it. There definitely are some pretty brownstones, but I didn't see much more. Maybe I'm not passing through the right streets/neighborhoods.

Any specific street and neighborhood suggestions are appreciated!

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My friends who live at the Foundry Lofts are buying their time until they finally open Jersey Avenue to through traffic. It will really help connect DT to that section of BL South of Pacific and help lure in more would be developers and home owners. If the owner of my apt. building turns it into condos I will be looking to buy over in that section for sure.

Positives:

- Proximity to Liberty State Park and the Science Center
- 1 miles from DT
- Freeway entrance nearby
- Light Rail in walking distance
- New outdoor pool with lanes for swimming
- Liberty Harbour development and shops in walking distance
- Low property taxes
- Affordable brownstones
- More and more people buying in that area who do care about their houses and their environment

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Not a lot to walk to in the way of restaurants and shopping
Can't easily walk to the PATH Train
Issues with crime. Though I would say that crime is happening all over JC. Infact, out of the approximately 19,354 cities in the USA Jersey City is 25th for highest murder rate. So, unless you have your head in the sand we all need to remain vigilant even if you're strooling around Paulus Hook or Hamilton Park.

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google map link: Communipaw Ave. near LSP

yes, LSP=Liberty State Park

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I keep seeing this reference, "Communipaw Ave. near LSP"
Can someone google map that for me?

I'm curious as to where this is, I assume you mean near Liberty State park?

I love these lofts but have heard the neighborhood is horrific.

http://newjersey.craigslist.org/reb/2168367810.html

I currently live in Paulus Hook but its too expensive to do it long term

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I live here with my wife and two kids and I think our block is great! Its a super quiet dead-end block off Communipaw Ave. near LSP.

It's not perfect, but I've lived here since 2000 and have seen some incremental changes.

Missing amenities is the biggest gripe as others have mentioned.

I actually ride a folding bike to Grove St. PATH every day as part of my commute. Its a 5 minute bike ride, but a 30 minute walk.

When retail comes to Liberty Harbor that will only be a 15 minute walk from us. We already like Zeppelin Beer Hall.

If you are looking for some nice brick townhouse or a single home on a 40 ft. lot that you could buy for 1/3 the price of downtown and renovate, Lafayette has possibilities. But its a lot of work.

I have seen lots of artists here because they need the space and the low rent to create their art. Artists don't need lots of amenities like cafes and bars. They can always trek downtown for that.

I would love to see more light industry zoning come here, so we could get carpenters, welders, mechanics, brewers, artisans and blue collar working types. But who knows.

Unfortunately we may be forced to leave JC altogether because of the horrid schools. Right now our only school age kid is in a private school but with two kids and one on the way, we will soon need a decent public school system in return for these property taxes.

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Totally agree with you on the restaraunt situation, we don't even have chinese close by over here, we order from Future which is downtown, most places do deliver down here but it would be a great asset for a little place to open up over here.


Don't know if you were around for the waning days of Caesar's at Communipaw & Whiton - a very solid little bar & restaurant - but it looks like it will be back:

http://hudsonreporter.com/pages/jersey_city_mag (p. 44-45 and 47)

*Really* great news.

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There's a fear mentality that many people gravitate to. Look at any newcast about a pending 1" of snow.
I was told I was going to be murdered and mugged for moving to Glenwood Ave.
and, there's parts of Newark that are downright suburban - my huzzy lived there for 8 years.

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Know whats great about B-L? My car has never gotten broken into. I've never had to park more then the next block over. I pay nothing for my condo.


+1. One morning a young guy rang our doorbell - we'd never seen him before - he looked a little scary. Turns out we'd left our car keys in the trunk lock while unloading the car of groceries the previous night, and he was returning them to us. And we've never parked more than 50 feet from our house.

Wish I could say the same as you for dog poop and noise, but one thing at a time.

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Instead of discouraging everyone to move anywhere besides downtown why not encourage them?


+100. Check everything out, and then pick the place that makes sense for you.

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Know whats great about B-L? My car has never gotten broken into. I've never had to park more then the next block over. I pay nothing for my condo.

Its quiet. I am rarely woken up by outside commotion. I used to live downtown, I was woken up regularly by fights, drunken idiots yelling, or just small gatherings talking right under my window.

I notice a large lack of dog poo everywhere. I notice most of the sidewalks cleanly shoveled.

So while I don't live downtown, I'm part of the solution of helpping change the neighborhood. Instead of discouraging everyone to move anywhere besides downtown why not encourage them? Good, hardworking people who live honest lives might eventually make those who choose to live dishonestly uncomfortable.

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What I find strange is that people who live in Lafayette do not venture out at night on foot because "it's dicey", and yet overall they are "very happy".

Different set of requirements, I guess.


It's hardly the case that we're barricaded in our home.

Do we walk around our neighborhood at 2am? No:

1. It's kind of dicey at that hour, as mentioned
2. There's nothing to do in the immediate vicinity at 2am (or at any hour - see comments about lack of amenities)
3. My wife and I are in our 40s and walking around our neighborhood at 2am isn't our idea of fun

But we go out at night quite often. We'll either walk or drive downtown, or ride our bikes to Zeppelin. We usually leave by 7-8pm, so no problem there. Coming home, we're typically not in any shape to drive, so we'll either take a $6 cab or ride the light rail (and walk home from there). We allow ourselves the indulgence of frequent $6 cab rides because we're paying 40% of what we paid to live on Wayne Street.

It works fine for us, and we're happy where we are. It may not work for others, which I understand. Thanks!!

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You can come to the East District police meetings- fourth tuesday of every month (the next one is the 25th of Jan they are at the school on Bright Street near pathmark, 7pm) and see for yourself what crime is happening where- they hand out maps with crimes from the previous month mapped out. Also, if you live in Lafayette there is a great new restaurant that opened in Liberty State Park, Maritime Parc. We always complain about there not being anything within walking distance, and Maritime is and it's great. You can also walk to the Zeppelin beer hall over the little bridge to Jersey ave if you want something cheaper.

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Its absolutely absurd that good people have to be confined to their homes after dark because gangs of thugs roam the streets!!!


What I find strange is that people who live in Lafayette do not venture out at night on foot because "it's dicey", and yet overall they are "very happy".

Different set of requirements, I guess.

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If you aren't familiar with Jersey City, walk around the streets of your potential future neighborhood before you sign a lease. That really goes for anywhere you plan on moving, though.


+1. And do it at different hours. Rush hour to see who lives there with a job as opposed to hanging out, and 10-11pm to see if you feel safe.

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I also live on Communipaw near LSP and am getting the eff out of there. I moved to JC is 2004 and lived downtown til 2008. I moved to Lafayette hoping it was "up and coming" and happy to get more for my money. I am now heading back downtown. I have been threatened by groups of teenagers, my fiance has been mugged 4 times and I was chased down the street by a man. I've called the police and every time they come I hear the same thing, "What the hell are you doing in this neighborhood?"

If you aren't familiar with Jersey City, walk around the streets of your potential future neighborhood before you sign a lease. That really goes for anywhere you plan on moving, though.

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...[continuing on with recreation offered by the area], a brand new competition eight lane 25 meter pool, a seperate recreation pool with three water slides and fountains and sprinklers, and Berry Park recreation which iis under construction which will have basketball, baseball, soccer etc.

Finally, restaurants and stores are about the last to arrive. Look how long it took for Newark Avenue to start to turn around. However, I can walk from my house to Grove Street in 25 minutes, so while you can't roll out of bed for a latte, it is well within reach.

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The ugly houses at the north end of the the neighborhood were built as affordable housing in the 1980s. They spent a fortune tearing down historic row houses and then were prevented from buiding in a historic idion by the Federal Regulations. On the other hand, the houses were sold for a minimal down payment to people who became owners. The houses have a tenant who is a Section 8 tenant. Thus the owner had an income stream and an incientive to police his tenant. It was a brilliant way to inculcate middle class values and seems to have worked.

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Firstly, on nomenclature: the area down the hill is Lafayette and up the Hill, Bergen Hill, and the area together is called Bergen Lafayette. At least that is my understanding. I have lived at Pacific and Lafayette Street since 2006 having moved from Hamilton Park. I have had absolutely no problem (I should spit or knock wood now, I suppose). I have floor to ceiling French Windows, the kids have left their bikes on the stoop inumerable times over night only to find them there in the morning, and a nice mix of new, veteran, and virually original stock residents get along pretty well. There have been some horrific incidents of violence but they all seem to be gang related. Lafayette is a bit isolated so there is not much through traffic of pedestrians. I half jockingly tell people it is like Paulus Hook in the early 90s when the place looked like the south Bronx but also was sort of cut off.

It should also be noted that Lafayette is in the East District so it gets very rapid police reponse. Bergen Hill is in the West, strangely enough which together with the South District are the most overburdened.

I have to disagree with the poster who says that Lafayetter Park and the whole area is dangerous after dark. I run in the evening and never have a problem. Both I and my wife take turns walking the dog at night and have never had a problem. There is some hanging out in the Gazebo in the park and probably drugs assocaited with it, but that is true of Hamilton Park and Van Vorst also. I would only say that it may be a little too quite because if you encounter an issue you are unlikely to have another neighbor at hand.

The neighborhood will surely be helped when Whitlock Cordage is opened. It is a pretty innovative reuse of a 19th century industiral site that has been mired in litigation since 2006., Reportedly, the state has stepped in to ensure that the project is completed. Penultimately, Lafayette has an abundance of recreation: Liberty State Park, Lafayette Park,

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Very interesting thread.
I have 2 comments/questions

1. While I don't live in this area, I've spent time in it. I agree that there is some stunning architecture. However, I don't feel the "artsy" vibe. Where is it? What is it? Are there a lot of open mic events or something?

2. I agree with the poster who said that people should not have to be confined to their houses after 8 pm. Any kind of Take Back the Streets movement going on?

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I also live at the end of Communipaw near LSP. Yes, it's quiet and it's more or less an unknown jewel. It gets a bad rap because it's Lafayette. I love the area and agree that the one and only drawback is the lack of services.

However, this area is like a world away from the area previously described, Pacific & Lafayette near Lafayette Park. I stand by all my comments having lived by Lafayette Park for 3 years. This area is terrifying at night though nice during the day. The park is great - during the day. At night during the warm weather, you take your life in your hands if you go there or anywhere and you need to keep your windows closed to keep out the noise.

For those living at the end of Communipaw near LSP like myself, I dare you to take a walk after 8pm up Communipaw across Pacific and turn down any one of the side streets.

Bottom line is that like most any area, there's good and bad and 1 or 2 blocks can make a big difference. Downtown and the Heights are no different in that regard.

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My wife and I bought in Lafayette (near Pacific / Lafayette) after living both downtown and in Greenville. We were impressed by costs, housing, proximity to LSP and light rail, and what seemed like a funky, artsy, up and coming atmosphere. Neither of us are hardened urban types - we're both 40ish professionals who've lived in all kinds of environments (including Texas, where I lived for nine years).

We haven't been disappointed - we love it. We spend less than half of what we spent downtown, and are at the PATH station in 20 minutes on foot, or 10 by bus or light rail. People here are extremely friendly: we quickly met a lot of our neighbors and have become good friends, something that never happened downtown or in Greenville. There's also a good number of artists & alternative types to be found. We're runners, and being that close to Liberty State Park is beyond description.

There's definitely a downside, as several have pointed out. It's not as secure as downtown, for sure, but we've never had a problem. We don't walk around at night; if we get home late, we usually take a $6 cab from Grove St. There's the obnoxiousness of the guys who cruise around all summer with window-shaking music cranked up at all hours; but on the other hand, we lived across from an office building downtown that was just as loud every morning starting before 6am when the industrial document shredding truck came to do its work.

If there were one thing I could change, it would be the situation with restaurants, bars and coffee shops - there aren't any. The closest local is the beer garden, a good 15-minute walk.

It sounds to me like you could be really happy here if you do your research, find a neighborhood you like, and understand the pros and cons. Happy to offer any more thoughts or suggestions. Good luck!!




Totally agree with you on the restaraunt situation, we don't even have chinese close by over here, we order from Future which is downtown, most places do deliver down here but it would be a great asset for a little place to open up over here.

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I live here, right by LSP I just moved here in June and I had my eye on this area for awhile now to move over here, I moved from a pretty rough area in JC to here, we are at the very end of Communipaw, and have never heard or seen any problems since we have been here. We live on a dead end and its pretty quiet and while I definitely cant say that crime is non existant over here I do read the paper, I usually am not out perusing the streets at 1, 2 am. It is exactly what you said an up and coming neighborhood rough around the edges but the neighbors are generally friendly enough lots of dog owners around here and so close to LSP. I like it way better then where I was and we have a huge backyard that backs up to the park!

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I live by the end of Communipaw and have never seen "gangs of thugs" roaming the streets. To be sure, the area has its issues. And, yes, the bars on some windows is a bit disconcerting. But there are also beautiful old houses and some really great neighbors. My block is exceptionally quiet--in fact, I found it almost too quiet when I moved there from a much busier and "nicer" neighborhood.

The biggest issue I have is lack of amenities. But I have a car so that makes it easier.

My feeling is that things vary block by block, but there are some gems.

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Its absolutely absurd that good people have to be confined to their homes after dark because gangs of thugs roam the streets!!!

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Is this the area right past 78 where they have all the bars on the porches? I have never seen that before... if it is yeah i think that kind of tells you something....

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Hi Natalie,

You're right, I live in Lafayette - but the original post mentioned proximity to LSP, which is why I weighed in. I walk to the PATH every morning for work - exactly 20 mins. (1.3 miles according to Google Maps, but you can save a few minutes by cutting across the Pathmark shopping center parking lot.)

And yes, nighttime - as I said - is dicey. We don't go out late at night on foot. Also, I agree with you that it can get loud - I mentioned that too. But we were bothered by office noise living on Wayne St. downtown, and we were bothered by noise from bar patrons living on 11th St. in the East Village. Sorry you had a bad experience, but again, overall we're very happy.

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I highly recommend the area (North/South) between Fairview and Bentley and (East/West) between Bergen and West Side Ave.

Great area for professionals. Close to Lincoln Park and Journal Square.

My wife and I are from the South, have lived in the neighborhood for 3 years, and love it.

Good luck.

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My wife and I bought in Lafayette (near Pacific / Lafayette) after living both downtown and in Greenville. We were impressed by costs, housing, proximity to LSP and light rail, and what seemed like a funky, artsy, up and coming atmosphere. Neither of us are hardened urban types - we're both 40ish professionals who've lived in all kinds of environments (including Texas, where I lived for nine years).

We haven't been disappointed - we love it. We spend less than half of what we spent downtown, and are at the PATH station in 20 minutes on foot, or 10 by bus or light rail. People here are extremely friendly: we quickly met a lot of our neighbors and have become good friends, something that never happened downtown or in Greenville. There's also a good number of artists & alternative types to be found. We're runners, and being that close to Liberty State Park is beyond description.

There's definitely a downside, as several have pointed out. It's not as secure as downtown, for sure, but we've never had a problem. We don't walk around at night; if we get home late, we usually take a $6 cab from Grove St. There's the obnoxiousness of the guys who cruise around all summer with window-shaking music cranked up at all hours; but on the other hand, we lived across from an office building downtown that was just as loud every morning starting before 6am when the industrial document shredding truck came to do its work.

If there were one thing I could change, it would be the situation with restaurants, bars and coffee shops - there aren't any. The closest local is the beer garden, a good 15-minute walk.

It sounds to me like you could be really happy here if you do your research, find a neighborhood you like, and understand the pros and cons. Happy to offer any more thoughts or suggestions. Good luck!!


Not to get picky, but this is not B-L; it is the Lafayette section, close to B-L but lots dicier than B-L. Getz, the Grove PATH is about 2.5 miles from where you live so that's quite a haul. I wouldn't call it walking distance. And the Light Rail is a 10 minute walk just to get to and then another 10 minutes (plus waiting for a train) to get to Exchange or Pavonia.

I lived very close to that area and I moved for safety reasons. While the homeowners are friendly, gangs roam the area at night and it's not safe and noisy as heck in the warm weather.

Van Horne, which is only 2 or 3 blocks from you, places #2 (per a cop I talked to) in violent crime in all of JC. Frankly, I don't see much improvement happening there for a number of years. I think some of your comments are very misleading.

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My wife and I bought in Lafayette (near Pacific / Lafayette) after living both downtown and in Greenville. We were impressed by costs, housing, proximity to LSP and light rail, and what seemed like a funky, artsy, up and coming atmosphere. Neither of us are hardened urban types - we're both 40ish professionals who've lived in all kinds of environments (including Texas, where I lived for nine years).

We haven't been disappointed - we love it. We spend less than half of what we spent downtown, and are at the PATH station in 20 minutes on foot, or 10 by bus or light rail. People here are extremely friendly: we quickly met a lot of our neighbors and have become good friends, something that never happened downtown or in Greenville. There's also a good number of artists & alternative types to be found. We're runners, and being that close to Liberty State Park is beyond description.

There's definitely a downside, as several have pointed out. It's not as secure as downtown, for sure, but we've never had a problem. We don't walk around at night; if we get home late, we usually take a $6 cab from Grove St. There's the obnoxiousness of the guys who cruise around all summer with window-shaking music cranked up at all hours; but on the other hand, we lived across from an office building downtown that was just as loud every morning starting before 6am when the industrial document shredding truck came to do its work.

If there were one thing I could change, it would be the situation with restaurants, bars and coffee shops - there aren't any. The closest local is the beer garden, a good 15-minute walk.

It sounds to me like you could be really happy here if you do your research, find a neighborhood you like, and understand the pros and cons. Happy to offer any more thoughts or suggestions. Good luck!!

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It's hard to say, not knowing your own definition of "too edgy". Personally, assuming you're nice Texans who have never lived in a serious dense urban area before, if Downtown is beyond your budget I would look at the Heights within a tolerable walk of the Congress St elevator to the rail. You get decent prices in a relatively safe hood (look at that map) combined with easy access to the light rail and the "decadent glories" of Hoboken. There's plenty of shopping and some good ethnic restaurants on Central Ave too.

Not to say B-L doesn't have it's upsides, but you should have more of a sense of this city before moving there.

Good luck.

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